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Who2

Cavanjack wrote: »

It's a serious question, transport accounted to just shy of 3k last year including haulage to the factory. Its no joke even for a cavan man!! If i cut back half the mart haulage fees i still dont think a new outfit would pay. There is a grant up the nort for trailers i think. Maybe that might make it pay.

The way I look at it is if your going to the mart to buy or sell your going to have to get there somehow anyway. That still costs money, a trailer behind you won't cost that much more.definately a lot less than the hauler. Claim the tax on the trailer. I bought a new porter this year. I didn't have to pay the vat, used it against tax and when all was properly accounted for the trailer cost damn all. It'll last me at least twenty years, still have a residual value and I've the comfort of not depending on someone else. When you've the trailer bought you can still get a hauler for the odd load if it doesn't suit for you to do it yourself. Now bass can you seriously say your running costs were e800 for the year. Less than 20 a week. The jeep doesn't have to be fancy and they are useful for a lot more than just hauling cattle and will go a lot more places than the likes of a Carola.

patsy_mccabe

Just a tip on pulling trailers. Keep the front wind flap down whenever possible. It seriously adds to the drag on the trailer and adds to fuel usage.

FeelTheBern

Think it's a big advantage when you're selling cattle in mart to have your own way of bringing them home parked outside. Nothing as bad as having it in the back of your mind that you'll have to find someone to take them home if don't sell.

croot

FeelTheBern wrote: »

Think it's a big advantage when you're selling cattle in mart to have your own way of bringing them home parked outside. Nothing as bad as having it in the back of your mind that you'll have to find someone to take them home if don't sell.

Totally agree with that. You don’t feel you have to sell if you have your own way of bringing them home.

I haven’t got a trailer but will buy one when funds allow for another reason. I’ve a fragmented farm and no help to move cattle just between land. For that alone it would warrant it.

I was passing Ballymote mart at lunch so I dropped in to see the weanling sale today. Prices were brutal.

Most struggled to make €2 per kg. 300 kg black lim bulls were only making €600 to 650. Best price I saw was a 420 kg ch bull making €910. Not sold. Heifers were worse. Most weren’t sold just in and out of the ring.

Below were some really nice quality bulls that went through and none were sold

Red Lm 325kg - €710
Red Lm 330kg - €710
SI - 300kg - €600
SI 235kg - €475
black Lm 365kg - €730

Heifer ring
AA 300kg 5* €575 not sold
Black Lm 320kg 5* €680 not sold

I left after that cause it was making me ill.

kk.man

What are 400kgs FR bullocks middle of the road making in the Marts atm?

Willfarman

Cavanjack wrote: »

It's a serious question, transport accounted to just shy of 3k last year including haulage to the factory. Its no joke even for a cavan man!! If i cut back half the mart haulage fees i still dont think a new outfit would pay. There is a grant up the nort for trailers i think. Maybe that might make it pay.

The older jeeps are impossible to wear out, just maintain them and depreciation is zero..though chassis rust is what gets them in the end. Bought a new nugent trailer here in 12 replacing an ancient Ivor Williams and after drawing a lot of cattle and sheep it still cleans up well and is still worth more than 2 thirds of its purchase price. And will be for a long long time.

I still use a haulier for a big day in mart and would try send a lorry load or even a double the odd time (just to get away from the local thieving factory!) But god I'd hate to be without the convenience of being able to buy a handful of cattle and be able to bring them on with me.

Willfarman

kk.man wrote: »

What are 400kgs FR bullocks middle of the road making in the Marts atm?

Id rather be buying them than selling them! 5 to 6 hundred in these parts.

Track9

Willfarman wrote: »

Id rather be buying them than selling them! 5 to 6 hundred in these parts.

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Those prices for wean lings Croot mentioned are loss making .
The age of the weanling say 8 months + cost of feeding for the earlier 9 months + etc etc . Its poor reward for the job. The buyers are just passing back the push down at the factory . ( I believe 422 e cent av at UK Factories this month )& we are at 390 approx . Think farmers should do what i saw in S America a few yrs back.The good version of protesting is Ev farmer goes to the factory with his trailer & one animal & it slows everything down.

Reggie.

Track9 wrote: »

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Those prices for wean lings Croot mentioned are loss making .
The age of the weanling say 8 months + cost of feeding for the earlier 9 months + etc etc . Its poor reward for the job. The buyers are just passing back the push down at the factory . ( I believe 422 e cent av at UK Factories this month )& we are at 390 approx . Think farmers should do what i saw in S America a few yrs back.The good version of protesting is Ev farmer goes to the factory with his trailer & one animal & it slows everything down.

But that won't happen

Bass Reeves

Track9 wrote: »

Those prices for wean lings Croot mentioned are loss making .
The age of the weanling say 8 months + cost of feeding for the earlier 9 months + etc etc . Its poor reward for the job. The buyers are just passing back the push down at the factory . ( I believe 422 e cent av at UK Factories this month )& we are at 390 approx . Think farmers should do what i saw in S America a few yrs back.The good version of protesting is Ev farmer goes to the factory with his trailer & one animal & it slows everything down.

Some responsibility has to fall on those that produce as well. Not only is the 'll high this time of year it is also packed with heavy cattle that could be slaughtered. Cattle killing. More than 400 kg deadweight could have been finished 2-3 months earlier. That extra 30-50+it's extra DW is adding another 3k to the kill in real terms and often of a product that is hard to shift.
Those lads that pay 100+ euro for friesian calves or 50 for Jex calves keeping numbers in the system that should be slaughtered or exported. Just like the brainfart from IFA earlier this year to try to get a suckler cow premia.

Some lads will have to reconfigure there system. Over the last 10 years I have reconfigured mine at least 3 times. Yet some farmers have continued loss making systems and refused to change.

patsy_mccabe

At the end of the day, the power isn't with the individual. They have to purchase and sell at market prices. Criticising guys for paying too much for dairy calves is madness. That's the market price of them. Where can you buy them at €50 below the going rate?
You can't keep chopping and changing either. There's tax implications, skills to be acquired. Also as soon as you are up and running in the new system, the goal posts will have moved again.
And no mention of Brexit either.

MIKEKC

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

At the end of the day, the power isn't with the individual. They have to purchase and sell at market prices. Criticising guys for paying too much for dairy calves is madness. That's the market price of them. Where can you buy them at €50 below the going rate?
You can't keep chopping and changing either. There's tax implications, skills to be acquired. Also as soon as you are up and running in the new system, the goal posts will have moved again.
And no mention of Brexit either.

It's only the market price for them because people are paying it. If people controlled their bidding the price would drop

Base price

MIKEKC wrote: »

It's only the market price for them because people are paying it. If people controlled their bidding the price would drop

The export price for FR bull calves is normally between €70 to €110/120 depending on the calf and if they are suitable for the Dutch, Spanish or Belgium systems.
The export market traditionally sets the base price.

leg wax

what i cant understand is why oh why does everyone wait to sell cattle when the land cant take them anymore,and then just dump them,sold a few aa heifers in sept ,same heifers today were down 140 euros.

kk.man

Teagasc is driving this calf to beef thing ever since the low dairy prices a couple of years back. Thus more customers for calves. You would want to be getting Fr bulls at 100e and the early maturing ones at 150e to make it pay. Dairy calves are not what they used to be.
IMO it's pure madness and hardship.

Base price

leg wax wrote: »

what i cant understand is why oh why does everyone wait to sell cattle when the land cant take them anymore,and then just dump them,sold a few aa heifers in sept ,same heifers today were down 140 euros.

Optimism that the weather will improve or maybe the backing from a off farm income. I don't know but if I had money to spend I would be picking up nice stock for small money at the moment.
Straw is as scarce as hens teeth around here and is selling for €25+ per bale if it can be got. Most silage only got cut in September and at that quality is poor. Cattle housed early (for over a month) and costs are escalating. Easier to sell young stock at a loss rather than pay for expensive feed to keep them over a very long Winter.

whelan2

Alot of people sell cattle at this time of year to pay the tax man

leg wax

whelan2 wrote: »

Alot of people sell cattle at this time of year to pay the tax man

fook the tax man sell then when the time is right,,,,,,,,, and dont start when is the time right.......same every year when grass is taking off and weather is right in spring , and before weather and glut hit the marts in the fall....:o

patsy_mccabe

https://www.donedeal.ie/beefcattle-for-sale/135-friesian-bull-weanlings/17068494

€333 each. €45k for 135 Fr bull weanlings.
The nearest bull in pic 3, would he be Jersey cross?

Never wrestle with pigs

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/beefcattle-for-sale/135-friesian-bull-weanlings/17068494

€333 each. €45k for 135 Fr bull weanlings.
The nearest bull in pic 3, would he be Jersey cross?

A good bit of je in a lot of them. Still at say 300 a pop, would you have a twist in them selling next spring?

kk.man

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/beefcattle-for-sale/135-friesian-bull-weanlings/17068494

€333 each. €45k for 135 Fr bull weanlings.
The nearest bull in pic 3, would he be Jersey cross?

Way too over priced..plain cattle back in marts and like you said jersey influence.

kk.man

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/beefcattle-for-sale/135-friesian-bull-weanlings/17068494

€333 each. €45k for 135 Fr bull weanlings.
The nearest bull in pic 3, would he be Jersey cross?

A good bit of je in a lot of them. Still at say 300 a pop, would you have a twist in them selling next spring?

Cost you at very least 150e to keep them over the winter....those won't put on weight..450e b the outside you get for them in the spring

Base price

kk.man wrote: »

Cost you at very least 150e to keep them over the winter....those won't put on weight..450e b the outside you get for them in the spring

Ye reckon so...
Have sold similar type yearling in April/May for between €550 and €650 - dosed and vaccinated with one movement.

TITANIUM.

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/beefcattle-for-sale/135-friesian-bull-weanlings/17068494

€333 each. €45k for 135 Fr bull weanlings.
The nearest bull in pic 3, would he be Jersey cross?

Christ there horrible looking ****ers

Base price

TITANIUM. wrote: »

Christ there horrible looking ****ers

They look awful but those types leave more profit than the lovely beef cattle that I used to breed and rear years ago.

Who2

Base price wrote: »

Ye reckon so...
Have sold similar types in April/May for between €550 and €650 - dosed and vaccinated with one movement.

300-450 is about tops of what theyll be worth in spring and i doubt even that for next spring. lads like them can be bought a lot cheaper at the moment.

Never wrestle with pigs

Base price wrote: »

They look awful but those types leave more profit than the lovely beef cattle that I used to breed and rear years ago.

Wouldn't say that, it's more about your particular market. That's what lads need to think about.

Bass Reeves

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

At the end of the day, the power isn't with the individual. They have to purchase and sell at market prices. Criticising guys for paying too much for dairy calves is madness. That's the market price of them. Where can you buy them at €50 below the going rate?
You can't keep chopping and changing either. There's tax implications, skills to be acquired. Also as soon as you are up and running in the new system, the goal posts will have moved again.
And no mention of Brexit either.

The individual sets the market price by there actions. I work so I have to keep cattle for 10-14 months and weanlings for 10 months. I look at the animal tail if I cannot see a minimum of 200 euro profit ( calculating the market outlook) I stop bidding. Too many lads spend time picking out bunches at the back of the mart and not watching the ring for value.

MIKEKC wrote: »

It's only the market price for them because people are paying it. If people controlled their bidding the price would drop

This is the nub of the matter. History tells you what your systenm did lasy year and the year before. It will not change drastically.

Base price wrote: »

The export price for FR bull calves is normally between €70 to €110/120 depending on the calf and if they are suitable for the Dutch, Spanish or Belgium systems.
The export market traditionally sets the base price.

yes and no the farmer buyers decides the price. A strong prices last year dictates what will be paid in the spring.

leg wax wrote: »

what i cant understand is why oh why does everyone wait to sell cattle when the land cant take them anymore,and then just dump them,sold a few aa heifers in sept ,same heifers today were down 140 euros.

This especially true of lads on poorer land where weight gain is poor from August to next spring. By offloading in July/August you allow more efficient farmers to put on cheap weight.

kk.man wrote: »

Teagasc is driving this calf to beef thing ever since the low dairy prices a couple of years back. Thus more customers for calves. You would want to be getting Fr bulls at 100e and the early maturing ones at 150e to make it pay. Dairy calves are not what they used to be.
IMO it's pure madness and hardship.

Teagasc quote everything on the top 10% rather than looking at systems. they never analysis the store to beef dairy bred market.

whelan2 wrote: »

Alot of people sell cattle at this time of year to pay the tax man

No excuse we all have to forward plan.

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/beefcattle-for-sale/135-friesian-bull-weanlings/17068494

€333 each. €45k for 135 Fr bull weanlings.
The nearest bull in pic 3, would he be Jersey cross?

You have to stand in the yard and analyse them. 45k is a lot of money for cattle that will take 18-20 months to shift. The animal in picture 2 may be a smaller framed AA. However IMO it is the same animal in P2&P8. 8 pictures og 135 cattle. Even at 40K they would be costing nearly 300/head

kk.man wrote: »

Cost you at very least 150e to keep them over the winter....those won't put on weight..450e b the outside you get for them in the spring

These are long term cattle no point in buying for a short term turn . Biggest issue in farming is lads that expect that an animal that is turned 3-4 time can leave a margin to everyone. If all the movements were through a mart that would equate to 60-80 euro in buyers and sellers fees and then add in transport

Base price wrote: »

Ye reckon so...
Have sold similar type yearling in April/May for between €550 and €650 - dosed and vaccinated with one movement.

I have bought them at 18 monts cheaper than that.

TITANIUM. wrote: »

Christ there horrible looking ****ers

It hard to know unless you are in the yard P1, P2. both in P4, P6 are all fairly square. The animal in P3 looks like an AA registered as an FR. But we have only 8 pictures of 135 cattle to judge them by. and one of those pictures are of the same animal IMO.

Base price wrote: »

They look awful but those types leave more profit than the lovely beef cattle that I used to breed and rear years ago.

Everything makes a profit at a price.

Who2 wrote: »

300-450 is about tops of what theyll be worth in spring and i doubt even that for next spring. lads like them can be bought a lot cheaper at the moment.

Every spring is hard to know and it depend on the mart they are going to. I have seen Fr bulls make 700 euro at 340kgs in February and bought 300-450 kgs ones for 100-150 with there weight in May.

cute geoge

I want to ask bass one question when he has cattle sold and needs to restock ,all cattle in the marts are mad dear what does he do ?
It is easy talk about buying cheap after 3 months of shlty weather but it is a different story when the sun is shining .Does he make extra silage that year or does he still manage to buy all these cheap cattle??

TITANIUM.

Bass Reeves wrote: »

It hard to know unless you are in the yard P1, P2. both in P4, P6 are all fairly square. The animal in P3 looks like an AA registered as an FR. But we have only 8 pictures of 135 cattle to judge them by.

There seems to be red browny lads down the yard.
Out of 135 cattle the same animal is in pic 2,4,7 and 8 to my eye and that could very well be him in pic 6 As well.
As you say a walk around the yard would tell allot.