Why are we celebrating 1916, bit of a failure really

Titus Andronicus

Do the Germans celebrate 1918 or 1945 ?.
Do the French celebrate 1939 ?
Do the Japanese celebrate 1945 ?

I may not be well up on my history but I remember us losing on Easter Sunday 1916, I remember most of our leaders being rounded up & executed.
Only us Irish would celebrate failure in such a way (see also Euro 2012 for further example).
Typical half arsed well we had a go anyway loser attitude.

Roll on the real celebration in 2021 or 2022 when we can celebrate being given our country cause we were too much hassle, whey the lads.

endacl

Corn poppin'...

Menas

You should read your history books before posting OP!

biko

9/10 for effort.

Witcher

The bait is set...we now wait in anticipation of a bite....

dxhound2005

The English celebrate Guy Fawkes.

El Weirdo

dxhound2005 wrote: »

The English celebrate Guy Fawkes.

Yeah, his capture and subsequent burning.

jimgoose

Actually, Japan has a long and rich history of celebrating tragic heroes who failed for the right sort of reasons.

Wacker The Attacker

Quite a depth charge OP. I salute you.

Uncle Ben

We just luv failure here for example Germany 1988, Italia 90, Korea Japan Saipan, all glorious failure, but it's the way we do it. Baby.

2smiggy

Wacker The Attacker wrote: »

Quite a depth charge OP. I salute you.

and the effort he put in typing it out

Titus Andronicus

biko wrote: »

9/10 for effort.

Wacker The Attacker wrote: »

Quite a depth charge OP. I salute you.

Honestly not a wind up, someone give me a real history lesson or this whole celebration is lost on me.

Wacker The Attacker

Uncle Ben wrote: »

We just luv failure here for example Germany 1988, Italia 90, Korea Japan Saipan, all glorious failure, but it's the way we do it. Baby.

Germany 88 and Italia 90 were not failures.

In fact if you check the records you'll find that these wre our best ever performances at each respective tournament and each was our first successful attempt at qualification

LeBash

endacl wrote: »

Corn poppin'...

This type of line was funny the first 200,000 time. Now it should be a ban.

The Moldy Gowl

Titus Andronicus wrote: »

Honestly not a wind up, someone give me a real history lesson or this whole celebration is lost on me.

Oh you will get a history lesson alright.

Just make sure to pay the toll.

Wacker The Attacker

Titus Andronicus wrote: »

Honestly not a wind up, someone give me a real history lesson or this whole celebration is lost on me.

Why didnt you ask for a history lesson th efirst time around?

MRnotlob606

I don't know but I have always found it somewhat hypocritical that we celebrate it. It was seen as an ignominious failure perpetrated by cowards when it happened.However if it wasn't for the rising we probably would not have had the sustained resistance against British colonialism in Ireland that later led to the eventual creation of a freely independent 26 country republic.

kneemos

endacl wrote: »

Corn poppin'...

Lower the heat.

The Moldy Gowl

Only been a member for 2 weeks, brings nazis into the OP.

Book him Lou

Junkyard Tom

Titus Andronicus wrote: »

I remember us losing on Easter Sunday 1916,

You must be about 107/8/9 years old if you remember those events. Fair play to you for being able to use the internet.

Gatling

Well op bar the odd few 6 nations and euro visions were not exactly know for victories .

1916

Euro 88 ( when we became the republic of ireland for the first time)

Italia 90

USA 94

Japan 2002

Were talking about football right

irishfeen

The rising in 1916 changed public opinion, directly lead to Sinn Fein winning almost every seat in the 1919 general election giving independence a mandate, the election result and subsequent War of Independence led to the Anglo Irish treaty which ultimately led to the Republic.. The 1916 rising is far from a failure but the catalyst for the present day Republic - after 1916 Ireland was ungovernable from a British point of view meaning either ethnic cleansing of the native Irish population or a free state was inevitable.

The Moldy Gowl

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

I don't know but I have always found it somewhat hypocritical that we celebrate it. It was seen as an ignominious failure perpetrated by cowards when it happened.However if it wasn't for the rising we probably would not have had the sustained resistance against British colonialism in Ireland that later led to the eventual creation of a freely independent 26 country republic.

Kinda alright.

I lived with an absolute gowl last year. He went down to the shops and bought an Irish flag and proceeded to play pro ira songs for the day.

Pat Mustard

Titus Andronicus wrote: »

Do the Germans celebrate 1918 or 1945 ?.
Do the French celebrate 1939 ?
Do the Japanese celebrate 1945 ?

Only us Irish would celebrate failure in such a way (see also Euro 2012 for further example).
Typical half arsed well we had a go anyway loser attitude.

Is that you, Roy?

kneemos

irishfeen wrote: »

The rising in 1916 changed public opinion, directly lead to Sinn Fein winning almost every seat in the 1919 general election giving independence a mandate, the election result and subsequent War of Independence led to the Anglo Irish treaty which ultimately led to the Republic.. The 1916 rising is far from a failure but the catalyst for the present day Republic - after 1916 Ireland was ungovernable from a British point of view meaning either ethnic cleansing of the native Irish population or a free state was inevitable.

Bit like saying the driver that lost control of his car knocked over the lamp post that killed the man that would have killed Ghandi,and is now a hero.

dxhound2005

I thought it was designated as a commemoration, not a celebration. Just like Japan commemorates Hiroshima, not one of their finest hours.

Titus Andronicus

irishfeen wrote: »

The rising in 1916 changed public opinion, directly lead to Sinn Fein winning almost every seat in the 1919 general election giving independence a mandate, the election result and subsequent War of Independence led to the Anglo Irish treaty which ultimately led to the Republic.. The 1916 rising is far from a failure but the catalyst for the present day Republic - after 1916 Ireland was ungovernable from a British point of view meaning either ethnic cleansing of the native Irish population or a free state was inevitable.

Thank goodness they went with Plan B, the brits, a great bunch of lads

Uncle Ben

Wacker The Attacker wrote: »

Germany 88 and Italia 90 were not failures.

In fact if you check the records you'll find that these wre our best ever performances at each respective tournament and each was our first successful attempt at qualification

As one who was there I agree they were our best ever performances and also very enjoyable. However I do recall us NOT winning the same competitions. Hence the failure. However as I also stated it is our sort of failure which has us rolling out the redcarpet and open top buses etc.

Wacker The Attacker

Gatling wrote: »

Well op bar the odd few 6 nations and euro visions were not exactly know for victories .

1916

Euro 88 ( when we became the republic of ireland for the first time)

Italia 90

USA 94

Japan 2002

Were talking about football right

Again let me point out that success is relative in life. These two tournaments are the best ever performances that we've put in these tournaments.

G_R

Mod

We already have a thread on 1916 OP - lets keep it all in the one place, yeah?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057391469