Amir Khan v Chris Algieri May 30th

walshb

supersean1999 wrote: »

Dan rafael. Says ibf wanted bradley and khan to fight . Khan refused. Frankie gavin next in line

Oh god, spare us Gavin. He should be forcibly retired to protect the public!

walshb

Halloween Jack wrote: »

I think his career has definitely suffered from the accusation too, take the maidana fight, if he'd have stuck to his game plan instead of trying to prove he could go toe to toe in a war it would have been a one sided fight... It seems to play on his mind and he ends up engaging instead of boxing...

That's a bit too simplistic. He did what he did in the ring at that time. He had to win. To win you have to engage. Khan's way of winning is by throwing shots and engaging. That's his style. He did enough disengaging as well to protect himself when he needed. I don't think it's as simple to state that simply sticking to a game plan would have made it a one sided fight. There's two men in there. Game plans are not black and white. Very complex and subjective. Boxing involves more close contact and engaging that any sport on earth. Sometimes you have to move out of your comfort zone and adapt and adjust. The foe isn't going to always cooperate with your game plan.

Johner

poeticmakaveli wrote: »

He won't even mention Thurman's name! Thurman would knock him spark out with his power and better yet, Thurman is just as fast and has better footwork than khan so it he is dominated in all areas!
He is on his last now and he is staying away from big hitters as long as he can!

Yeah, Thurman is most definitely all wrong for Khan. Hugely impressed with him so far.

Talib Fiasco

poeticmakaveli wrote: »

He won't even mention Thurman's name! Thurman would knock him spark out with his power and better yet, Thurman is just as fast and has better footwork than khan so it he is dominated in all areas!
He is on his last now and he is staying away from big hitters as long as he can!

Just no. Big fan of Thurman myself but he is a snail compared to Khan, most boxers are. Khan is arguably the fastest current boxer along with Russell and Gamboa. Thurman is a solid boxer as well as a fantastic puncher but nobody at 147 , not even Manny or Floyd can mess with Khan's speed

Mallagio

Showtime not showing this tripe in the states.

Talib Fiasco

Mallagio wrote: »

Showtime not showing this tripe in the states.

Bit of a cop out from Showtime thinking they're doing a Boxing a favour by not promoting a so called cherry pick....even though they showed Garcia/Salka and made it out like Garcia had dethroned an ATG.

Mallagio

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Bit of a cop out from Showtime thinking they're doing a Boxing a favour by not promoting a so called cherry pick....even though they showed Garcia/Salka and made it out like Garcia had dethroned an ATG.

Lets be honest here, I can't blame Showtime - this bout is toothless.

Talib Fiasco

I personally think this could be a FOTY candidate especially seeing Algieri actually has a proper trainer now.

Henno30

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Bit of a cop out from Showtime thinking they're doing a Boxing a favour by not promoting a so called cherry pick....even though they showed Garcia/Salka and made it out like Garcia had dethroned an ATG.

That was when Espinoza was still hoping they could hold onto Haymon and his stable. That ship has sailed now and they're back to valuing fights in a manner that's somewhat related to reality.

poeticmakaveli

Talib Fiasco wrote:

Just no. Big fan of Thurman myself but he is a snail compared to Khan, most boxers are. Khan is arguably the fastest current boxer along with Russell and Gamboa. Thurman is a solid boxer as well as a fantastic puncher but nobody at 147 , not even Manny or Floyd can mess with Khan's speed

I think Thurman owns the ring easy with khan, and please don't tell me you think khan would beat Thurman because that would be just crazy!!
Talk is cheap but I would put my life on it and I am genuine that khan wouldnt even see the 12th round with Thurman!!! Its actually not even up for discussion, sorry!!

poeticmakaveli

I give khan for credit for beating maidana (even though his rubbery legs barely made it back to the corner at the end) and zab Judah, devon Alexander,hmmm maybe! Paulie malignaggi was tailor made for khan, malignaggi wouldn't knock out my 11 year old niece! Collazo?? Please! Like the dude but I don't give credit for that for the hype that surrounds khan! Khan was lucky against Julio Diaz (someone he should be beating easy if we are to believe the hype again) can't mention Barrera really as he was an old beaten up man! I don't care who a boxer is outside the ring ,I will always give credit where credit is due! Khan looks the part when he is let and has the right opponents in front of him, but he is another accident again waiting to happen!! Prescott and garcia knocked him out silly! Sky have pumped in so much money,hype,etc around him that he still is a household name,but Virgil hunter and his managers will be cleverly picking his next couple fights! Algieri?,cmon now! He done well to get the win against provodnikov but khan won't have to worry about his power so he will be getting the handy victory there. I call a spade a spade always but khan is a hype job, not a bad fighter,in fact a gutsy one and has some lovely skills but more hype than anything else and a bad accident waiting to happen providing he is not going to be handpicked fights for the next while!

Underground

As much as I denounce Khan as a chancer and a spoofer, he can be lovely to watch and I never miss any of his fights.

Talib Fiasco

poeticmakaveli wrote: »

I think Thurman owns the ring easy with khan, and please don't tell me you think khan would beat Thurman because that would be just crazy!!
Talk is cheap but I would put my life on it and I am genuine that khan wouldnt even see the 12th round with Thurman!!! Its actually not even up for discussion, sorry!!

Calm down buddy I never mentioned Khan beating Thurman anywhere. Quit changing topic. I just pointed out the blatant flaw in your post which said Thurman is faster than Khan. Simply not true. If you beg to differ, this discussion isn't worth my time sorry.

HigginsJ

Khan is now saying the Algieri fight is not confirmed, apparently still in negotiation with Broner as well. A cynic would suggest that he & his team have seen the negative reaction to the announcement & are now rowing back on their decision.

Henno30

HigginsJ wrote: »

Khan is now saying the Algieri fight is not confirmed, apparently still in negotiation with Broner as well. A cynic would suggest that he & his team have seen the negative reaction to the announcement & are now rowing back on their decision.

Showtime rejected it. Khan had a massive whinge earlier where he accused Hearn of spreading lies about him, that Showtime hadn't rejected the fight, and that he hadn't turned down any eliminator against Bradley from the IBF because he hadn't been offered one.

Dan Rafael then confirmed on twitter that he had heard directly from Showtime and the IBF that both stories were true.

Khan is making a right cunt of himself. He'd be better off saying nothing, he's nowhere near smart enough to play those games in public.

Underground

I just read the interview there, same old tripe from him. I really don't like how he uses Ramadan as an excuse for not fighting Brook in June. Call me a cynic, but something tells me if Floyd asked him for a fight in June, Ramadan would suddenly take a backseat in his list of priorities.

Mallagio

Underground wrote: »

I just read the interview there, same old tripe from him. I really don't like how he uses Ramadan as an excuse for not fighting Brook in June. Call me a cynic, but something tells me if Floyd asked him for a fight in June, Ramadan would suddenly take a backseat in his list of priorities.

Yep, the reality with Khan is that he thinks he is a genius and can beat anyone. Brook would have too much for him imo

efb

Its on Spike TV
Spike TV, Not on Sky Irl but FTA.
Tune in 10.964 H, 22.000, 5/6, DVB-S, QPSK.

HigginsJ

efb wrote: »

Its on Spike TV
Spike TV, Not on Sky Irl but FTA.
Tune in 10.964 H, 22.000, 5/6, DVB-S, QPSK.

:P That's the high profile fight Khan was after.

Panic E

Here's a good monologue about this upcoming fight and all the related angles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkwX2nzEvZI

Floyd, Manny, GGG, Bradley, Thurman, Brook, Garcia, Ramadan the rest of it

Chrissybhoy

Underground wrote: »

"You can class him as an A-Class opponent."

No Amir, I won't be doing any such thing. :rolleyes:

Both are C level fighters in my eyes

Henno30

I hate when people use this 'A-class/B-class' thing to talk about fighters. You never see any definition of what any of these categories actually mean. The appropriate way to talk about the level of a fighter is the way it was always done, i.e. you talk about where they rank.

Algieri is #3 at 140lbs according to the TBRB - http://www.tbrb.org/all-rankings/#140

That's about right. He's a top 5 contender at this point in time, and given Danny's struggles with Herrera and Peterson there's a good argument that Algieri could beat him.

That's not some 'C-class' fighter or whatever you want to call it. That's a legit world level fighter. But a legit world level fighter at 140lbs, which is not where Khan is fighting him.

walshb

This bout is at 147 lbs, not 140. Algieri is not really a contender at 147. He's level B at best at that weight.

Big Ears

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

Both are C level fighters in my eyes

Go on, explain to me how a guy who has beaten Kotelnik, Malignaggi, Maidana, Judah, Collazo and Alexander is 'C level'.

Chrissybhoy

Big Ears wrote: »

Go on, explain to me how a guy who has beaten Kotelnik, Malignaggi, Maidana, Judah, Collazo and Alexander is 'C level'.

Because he was found out against Prescott Garcia Peterson

Big Ears

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

Because he was found out against Prescott Garcia Peterson

Prescott was before he won anyone of those fights, 7 years ago and Khan was killing himself to make weight.

Garcia and Peterson are both A level guys at Light-Welterweight, and arguably Khan beat Peterson (it was touch and go anyway). So that just leaves Garcia, the #1 guy at the weight. So a loss to him is enough to discount all of those wins ?

Even holding those 3 losses against him, his wins mean you surely have to regard him as a 'B' level fighter at least.

Talib Fiasco

Khan was schooling the crap out of Danny Swift as well, just got caught by that left hook which is probably the best left hook in all of Boxing...no shame in being downed by that.

Chrissybhoy

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Khan was schooling the crap out of Danny Swift as well, just got caught by that left hook which is probably the best left hook in all of Boxing...no shame in being downed by that.

Defensively poor tho he was warned early in that fight with the same shot if I remember right no good being good in offence with no defence as good as he was against Alexander a career best showing from khan he got hit far too much for my liking

Henno30

One thing worth remembering with Algieri is just how far the guy has gone with this guy as his trainer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drtNxIyn0vk

Panic E

That explains a lot! Algieri is odd asf