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gate- planning permission?

  • 02-04-2015 10:45am
    #1
    walkingshadow
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 369 ✭✭


    Hello- quick question. My entrance to house is approx 23ft wide with two pillars either end. I
    intend getting a gate for this opening. The company I talked to however suggest that a 23ft wide gate ope is very wide, and they suggest that I essentially put in two gates there; i.e. one 'pedestrian' gate approx 3 ft wide and then the larger car gate in order to break the span. So effectively it will mean putting another pillar 900mm into my entrance drive. Is planning permission required for all of this? I've been told its not, but no harm for other advice!


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  • #2
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,347 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    walkingshadow wrote: »
    Hello- quick question. My entrance to house is approx 23ft wide with two pillars either end. I
    intend getting a gate for this opening. The company I talked to however suggest that a 23ft wide gate ope is very wide, and they suggest that I essentially put in two gates there; i.e. one 'pedestrian' gate approx 3 ft wide and then the larger car gate in order to break the span. So effectively it will mean putting another pillar 900mm into my entrance drive. Is planning permission required for all of this? I've been told its not, but no harm for other advice!

    i would have thought its an alteration to an existing vehicular entrance and planning was required?


  • #3
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,347 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Just spoke to a planner.

    Planning required because you are indeed altering the entrance and creating a pedestrian entrance.

    Based on the info you have provided btw.


  • #4
    walkingshadow
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 369 ✭✭walkingshadow


    Thanks guys, I will forget about the pillar and pedestrian entrance and just go with the main gate to do the full span, so I wont need planning.


  • #5
    walkingshadow
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 369 ✭✭walkingshadow


    Just talked to an engineer there who said planning permission is not needed!


  • #6
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,347 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    walkingshadow wrote: »
    Just talked to an engineer there who said planning permission is not needed!

    Well, now you need to decide who to believe :)

    What LA are you in btw as in Dublin, 3.6m is max width of a vehicular entrance, yours is 6.9m if im reading correctly.


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  • #7
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,450 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    Just to say that planning permission is not required to create a pedestrian entrance.

    My own opinion would be that what the OP proposes - as long as they are not moving/relocating the existing pillars - would be exempt from planning.


  • #8
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,347 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    Just to say that planning permission is not required to create a pedestrian entrance.

    My own opinion would be that what the OP proposes - as long as they are not moving/relocating the existing pillars - would be exempt from planning.

    Are you sure Docarch?
    I spoke to a planner in DCC today who said planning would be required for this kind of development.


  • #9
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,450 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    kceire wrote: »
    Are you sure Docarch?
    I spoke to a planner in DCC today who said planning would be required for this kind of development.

    I am sure that PP is not required to form a pedestrian entrance.

    The OP has an existing vehicular entrance and as far as I understand, in essence, they are simply putting gates...one gate(s) will be for vehicular access, the other for pedestrian access. If the original gate piers are not moved/altered, I can't see why PP would be required?


  • #10
    walkingshadow
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 369 ✭✭walkingshadow


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    I am sure that PP is not required to form a pedestrian entrance.

    The OP has an existing vehicular entrance and as far as I understand, in essence, they are simply putting gates...one gate(s) will be for vehicular access, the other for pedestrian access. If the original gate piers are not moved/altered, I can't see why PP would be required?

    Yes DOARCH, the oringinal entrance piers will not be removed- in between them we will have the vehicular gate, a new pier and the pedestrian gate.


  • #11
    BryanF
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 10,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭BryanF


    walkingshadow wrote: »
    Just talked to an engineer there who said planning permission is not needed!

    Assuming engineer is PI insured and competent to make the statement. Ask for it in writing on his letter head


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  • #12
    walkingshadow
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 369 ✭✭walkingshadow


    I've decided I'm going to do it without planning (I can always get retention if there ever was an issue) but I don't believe for one second my proposal would require planning


  • #13
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,347 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    I am sure that PP is not required to form a pedestrian entrance.

    The OP has an existing vehicular entrance and as far as I understand, in essence, they are simply putting gates...one gate(s) will be for vehicular access, the other for pedestrian access. If the original gate piers are not moved/altered, I can't see why PP would be required?

    The building of a new pier alters the existing vehicular entrance is what I was told. Just shows the difference in interpreting the P&D Regs :)
    walkingshadow wrote: »
    I've decided I'm going to do it without planning (I can always get retention if there ever was an issue) but I don't believe for one second my proposal would require planning

    Best of luck with the job. Hopefully it goes smoothly :)


  • #14
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,450 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    kceire wrote: »
    The building of a new pier alters the existing vehicular entrance is what I was told.

    No greater contravention and all that?

    I just can't see how the addition of a pier, within an existing vehicular entrance, could warrant the need for planning permission?
    kceire wrote: »
    Just shows the difference in interpreting the P&D Regs :)

    Agreed! Ask 10 planners and you will get different answers! :)

    It is interpretation after all and I would say that not all planners have the right answers. Just look at what happens when decisions of planners are appealed to An Bord Pleanala! One planner thinks their decision is correct while another thinks it's wrong! :)


  • #15
    walkingshadow
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 369 ✭✭walkingshadow


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    I just can't see how the addition of a pier, within an existing vehicular entrance, could warrant the need for planning permission?

    Agreed. I understand a point maybe could be made if I was narrowing the vehicular entrance to something very narrow that could be deemed unsafe, but when the pedestrian gate and new pier are in, the vehicular entrance will still be over 5500mm wide!


  • #16
    evolving_doors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭evolving_doors


    pillar or not it still serves (and has always served) as a pedestrian entrance I would think. So its nature isnt being altered. Ive no qualifications though just a pleb !

    Would anyone complain if you put up a pillar! Or council workers driving by. If its similar to other neighbours then nobody would bat an eyelid unless you've made enemies in the neighbourhood already OP.


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