Accidentally knocked over a scooter over

daveyjoe

Was going to the shops in the car last night and there was a scooter parked behind me outside my house, I didn't see it and reversed into the back of it. It was only a tap but it was enough to fold up the stand and cause the bike to drop. There's no space for a car there (vehicles are parallel parked) so it's easy not to look properly in the dark and assume it's clear, still felt like an eijit though.

I picked it up and it had a couple of scratches, nothing too bad. I left a note with my phone number because I'm a biker too and also I'm not an asshole.

He just text me with a quote for €310. I guess he's going to get the panels replaced rather than just concealing it.

I'm a bit miffed because it's a resident's-only parking area, he was parking overnight and he's not a resident. He's parked there a few times before and I'm not one to kick up a stink over this sort of thing but given that he was parking directly outside my house when he shouldn't be, I thought he'd appreciate me not being an ass about it and just get it concealed. The scratches aren't that bad.

More of a rant than anything and I realise that if I was more observant then it wouldn't have happened. One question though, is it worth asking if he would consider getting another quote or doing a conceal. Or should I just shut up, pay up and learn my lesson?

surpy

It's your fault. If you don't wait to pay he can claim off your insurance.

RoscommonTom

daveyjoe wrote: »

Was going to the shops in the car last night and there was a scooter parked behind me outside my house, I didn't see it and reversed into the back of it. It was only a tap but it was enough to fold up the stand and cause the bike to drop. There's no space for a car there (vehicles are parallel parked) so it's easy not to look properly in the dark and assume it's clear, still felt like an eijit though.

I picked it up and it had a couple of scratches, nothing too bad. I left a note with my phone number because I'm a biker too and also I'm not an asshole.

He just text me with a quote for €310. I guess he's going to get the panels replaced rather than just concealing it.

I'm a bit miffed because it's a resident's-only parking area, he was parking overnight and he's not a resident. He's parked there a few times before and I'm not one to kick up a stink over this sort of thing but given that he was parking directly outside my house when he shouldn't be, I thought he'd appreciate me not being an ass about it just get it concealed. The scratches aren't that bad.

More of a rant than anything and I realise that if I was more observant then it wouldn't have happened. One question though, is it worth asking if he would consider getting another quote or doing a conceal. Or should I just shut up, pay up and learn my lesson?

If he wasnt allowed park there tell him to **** off,

ratracer

He has your name and number and a note from you admitting liability. You dont really have a choice but pay up. Regardless of where it was parked, legally or not, you did the damage and will have to pay for it. You say you are also a biker, if it was your bike how would you want it repaired? I know I'd be getting a proper job done on it.

Cienciano

If its a new or well kept scooter then fair enough with that quote. If it's a shítbox with scratches all over it then he's being a prick. But you were the one at fault, so he has you here.

RoscommonTom wrote: »

If he wasnt allowed park there tell him to **** off,

It doesn't matter, if you reverse into anything parked, you're at fault.

pixbyjohn

Even a repair would cost at least 300 surely. Sorry to hear but at least it isn't worse.

Rocketthorpe

Tell him you are willing to cover the cost of his scooter but you will get the damage priced yourself, or else price a new panel for the scooter. That way you know he's not taking the piss with the price.

Hotblack Desiato

RoscommonTom wrote: »

If he wasnt allowed park there tell him to **** off,

'They weren't supposed to be there' is never an excuse to drive into someone or their vehicle, even more so when it's not fecking moving.

KwackerJack

You can ask to have a quote yourself. If he refuses just let it go through the insurance! He he refuses the insurance route tell him to piss off

There are a lot of clauses in an insurance policy. Explain to your insurers that the bike was in a private car park and was not listed as being allowed to park there. you never know what might happen, they will try anything not to pay and in this case it will be in your favor if they try to avoid the payout.

Hotblack Desiato

If he didn't have a right to park there, it's a matter for the council (public place) or landlord/management company (private property) to deal with. You can't just say "Naa naa you shouldn't have been there, tough" it's still the OP's responsibility not to collide with his vehicle.

Alkers

As above I'd get an independent quote yourself to verify the figures but doesn't sound too bad to me. There's a lot of plastic on most of those scooters. FYI I had a very similar thing happen my bike and repairs cost over €700. As for the bike not being allowed there - irrelevant, if someone knocked you off while in the bus lane, I still think you'd be looking to claim from them!

daveyjoe

He decided to park in the same spot again tonight, so took a few photos.

It's dark so photos aren't great but I've attached them here, the scratches don't look great with the flash but there's no depth to them, you can barely feel them with your fingers. The left break lever is also a bit scraped but I didn't get a picture of that.

What's the consensus? Is €310 fair enough?

bladespin

Bad luck op but that really doesn't sound too bad
Hit something that's parked (no matter where) and you have liability, the injured party also has the right to choose who repairs though, they may not know much about repairs etc and could be looking at a first quote, talk and offer an alternative and they may go along, it's their choice in the end.

Oryx

Scooter looks in good nick. He is entitled to get it back to the way it was, and I think that price is ok tbh. Cosmetic repairs to bikes aren't cheap.

Alkers

Pretty big panel to be replacing so could easily be that much. Fairly lucky there is no damage to the exhaust etc. Can. You ask him to see the quote he got?

Idleater

Simona1986 wrote: »

Pretty big panel to be replacing so could easily be that much. Fairly lucky there is no damage to the exhaust etc. Can. You ask him to see the quote he got?

Agreed, when someone reversed into my sv and knocked it over (parked in the middle of a normal car parking space at work but that's another story) a clutch lever and two smaller panels cost that.

I would definitely ask to see the itemised quote and maybe follow up with a call.

If I had let my own bike fall over and put those scratches on it I'd leave or paint them maybe, but unfortunately for the op, the biker has a choice to repair.

Max Headroom

Its amazing the replies here...if it was the biker who was posting that someone had knocked over his bike you'd all be up in arms.."screw the bas"ard, make him pay €0000"...."fukcin cager"......:rolleyes:

You did wrong ,pay up mate...could have been a child/wino/Merc....

cerastes

Ask to see the quote, tell him you'll get a quote yourself.
Is the bike parked blocking you? or limit your exit? any pictures or diagrams of the space layout?
If he isnt resident, pay up to what you agree on, tell him not to park there (the space and car park) again either.

surpy

310 for 3 panels properly painted is alright. I doubt it includes new ones.

mfceiling

If he parks there again I'd be fcuking him out of it. Tell him to find a proper parking space or park out on the road.

You might have reversed into him but he's acting the bollocks if he leaves it in the same place..especially if he's only visiting.

Squatman

Max Headroom wrote: »

.."screw the bas"ard, make him pay €0000"...."fukcin cager"......:rolleyes:

Why would you be making him pay nothing?????

Cienciano

Max Headroom wrote: »

Its amazing the replies here...if it was the biker who was posting that someone had knocked over his bike you'd all be up in arms.."screw the bas"ard, make him pay €0000"...."fukcin cager"......:rolleyes:

You did wrong ,pay up mate...could have been a child/wino/Merc....

If it was biker.ie yes, but not here. I cringe when I hear the word "cager"

goodlad

Squatman wrote: »

Why would you be making him pay nothing?????

Awful attempt at being funny or are you actually simple?

jimmycrackcorm

surpy wrote:

It's your fault. If you don't wait to pay he can claim off your insurance.

The insurance claim will have an excess in any case plus either the premium will go up or any future claims will cause it to go up when you could do with keeping it intact.

At this cost it's not worth going through insurance

john kinsella

Don't think it's been said but fair play for leaving your details OP.

KTR1C

john kinsella wrote: »

Don't think it's been said but fair play for leaving your details OP.

Yup, a lot of people would just shrug their shoulders and drive off, sure its "just a scooter".

MrWalsh

Id pay up then Id follow up with the parking authority and have him forced to park in a proper space or not at all.

surpy

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

The insurance claim will have an excess in any case plus either the premium will go up or any future claims will cause it to go up when you could do with keeping it intact.

At this cost it's not worth going through insurance

That was my point

Ken.

Pay him his €310. Check eBay for second hand clamp. If he parks in your drive again clamp him. €310 release fee.

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Im always amazed why some bikers park their bikes like this where cars parallel park. It's asking for trouble!

Fair play for leaving your details though and I would just pay up the €310. Lesson learned.

Blacktie.

Ask for a receipt with quote as proof?

daveyjoe

I text him back and told him that it's residents only parking and also it's just not the smartest place to park (no response from him). Told him I'll sort it out with repair shop tomorrow. It's Ross motorcycles in Cork, so I'll call down and tell them my sob story in the hopes that they might feel sympathy and knock 10% off the price or something. :-)

Thanks for the comments. Lesson learnt and it was good to get my rant out. Hopefully he won't park down here again, although I somewhat sympathise that it's hard to find safe parking around the area. Bit silly the way he parked though.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Fair play to your honesty, and now I'll be honest.. I'd have picked it up and fecked off.

But you put the rope around your own neck, you gotta pay for the damage now ~ and €310 looks reasonable enough, however its NOT a new bike so I'd offer him half that and look at meeting him around the €200 mark after which it would be an insurance payout ~ at €310 your company won't contest the cost and it won't load you either.

daveyjoe

Anders Large Smallpox wrote: »

Fair play to your honesty, and now I'll be honest.. I'd have picked it up and fecked off.

But you put the rope around your own neck, you gotta pay for the damage now ~ and €310 looks reasonable enough, however its NOT a new bike so I'd offer him half that and look at meeting him around the €200 mark after which it would be an insurance payout ~ at €310 your company won't contest the cost and it won't load you either.

Bike is new enough (a 132) to be fair.

daveyjoe

Also my car insurance excess is €300 so that would mean that I would only save €10 by putting it against insurance, correct? I've only been driving the car a year (8 years on the bike) so I'm not too worried about my no-claims bonus but the excess doesn't make a claim worthwhile.

daveyjoe

Ok, so he didn't bother replying to my text saying he shouldn't park there and decided to park in the same spot again tonight. Starting to regret leaving a note now, he's acting a right knob.

Tigger

daveyjoe wrote: »

Ok, so he didn't bother replying to my text saying he shouldn't park there and decided to park in the same spot again tonight. Starting to regret leaving a note now, he's acting a right knob.

in about three weeks you'll probably feel like killing him; probably shouldn't

goodlad

Report it and have his bike clamped

daveyjoe

Just checked my texts again and he did actually text me back this morning saying that he's sorry about the situation and that he saved up for the bike for 8 months and tries to keep it in good condition.

Fair enough I suppose. He didn't reply to the fact that he shouldn't be parked down there though.

arybvtcw0eolkf

You'll know what to do next time!.

Max Headroom

A lot of high horses in this place....:rolleyes:

Just pay for the damage you caused and get over it.....

KTR1C

Fair play OP, YOU did leave your details and you're sorting it l. A LOT of people wouldn't. Keep that in mind and put it behind you.

Might be a big bullet to swallow even if you think he's being a nob but you're doing the right thing and at the end of the day that's all that counts.

Anders Large Smallpox

Anders Large Smallpox wrote: »

however its NOT a new bike so I'd offer him half that and look at meeting him around the €200 mark after which it would be an insurance payout ~ at €310 your company won't contest the cost and it won't load you either.

Would you be happy with that if somebody crashed into your parked bike?

Max Headroom

Anders Large Smallpox wrote: »

Fair play to your honesty, and now I'll be honest.. I'd have picked it up and fecked off.
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Hope youre joking....it is after all someones property he damaged...doesnt matter how old, where it was parked its still his fault....

If you came back to your damaged bike would you just say..Ho hum..at least he picked the bike back up.....:rolleyes:

Moderators inciting criminal damage....what next...:P

cruizer101

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

You're calling him a knob, are you for fooking real? He didn't collide with you. Get a grip.

Just because you are at fault in a particular incident doesn't make the other person not be a knob. The OP left his details and is happy to pay up. The knobness isn't reagrading the incident it comes from where the other person is parking wrongly and continuing to do so.

OP make sure you get receipt for work done and confirmation that they are happy with work. I heard of an incident where in a tip similar to your own cash was paid but then the other person also tried to claim on insurance. Think was sorted ok in end and they didn't get the extra money but involved bit of hassle, just something to watch out for.

uck51js9zml2yt

Phone the parking Authority and report an illegally parked vehicle and pay for the damage you caused his bike

emeldc

Max Headroom wrote: »

A lot of high horses in this place....:rolleyes:

Just pay for the damage you caused and get over it.....

Legally, the OP is probably wrong and needs to pay up. But if a biker parks behind a car knowing full well there's a chance that the car might reverse into him then he's just being a pr1ck and needs a good kick up the hole.

Fair play to the OP for leaving your details. If he continues to park there make sure you make complete sh1t of it next time you reverse over it.

RoscommonTom

emeldc wrote: »

Legally, the OP is probably wrong and needs to pay up. But if a biker parks behind a car knowing full well there's a chance that the car might reverse into him then he's just being a pr1ck and needs a good kick up the hole.

Fair play to the OP for leaving your details. If he continues to park there make sure you make complete sh1t of it next time you reverse over it.

Exactly, I wouldnt be paying in the first place if he was blocking my van in and wasnt meant to be there

cerastes

MrWalsh wrote: »

Id pay up then Id follow up with the parking authority and have him forced to park in a proper space or not at all.

emeldc wrote: »

Legally, the OP is probably wrong and needs to pay up. But if a biker parks behind a car knowing full well there's a chance that the car might reverse into him then he's just being a pr1ck and needs a good kick up the hole.

Fair play to the OP for leaving your details. If he continues to park there make sure you make complete sh1t of it next time you reverse over it.

I think it really depends on how the bike is parked and the space involved, if its a tight squeeze for legitimately parked cars and then he parks his bike up against an opposite wall, then he's asking for trouble and really deserves what he gets and is at least part responsible, that said I thinks its fair the OP paid for the damage as he could have squeezed out and dealt with the parking issue or left a note on the bike if it was making things difficult to get in/out.
If it was impossible to get it in/out, Id be royally pissed and would be fairly mad, so thats a different story.
If he isnt even meant to be parking there, but parked, night after night, it seems he's practically a resident and just doesnt have a legitimate parking spot. In that instance he shares the blame and Id be looking to offer him half what he suggested, so long as he doesnt hinder your access or park there anymore.

That said, If the spot isnt a proper parking space and he continues to park there after having it hit and being so concerned about saving up, then Id probably offer him nothing if the OP hasnt paid out yet, suggest to him park on the road or elsewhere in the carpark that doesnt block people or increase his risk of getting hit, tell him if he parks near you again which increases your risk, either tell him you'll have to report him or say nothing and just report him anyway, as he's already had a chance to move the bike.

Parking in the same spot after it being hit is just retarded and doesnt make it seem like he's that concerned, is it a target for theft? the scooter type? I presume its parked in view from a window, but thats not your problem OP.

I wouldnt recommend should you go through your insurance.
Id be looking to reduce that figure you were given OP, he's part to blame himself for parking it where he did.

Hotblack Desiato

RoscommonTom wrote: »

Exactly, I wouldnt be paying in the first place if he was blocking my van in and wasnt meant to be there

Nice attitude.
Whether he was meant to be there or not is not your concern - it's for the council or management company to deal with.

emeldc

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Nice attitude.
Whether he was meant to be there or not is not your concern - it's for the council or management company to deal with.

You can just see the management co and the local council going to great lengths and expense to deal with this, cant you? FFS