Player of Tournament

Big Nelly

So haven't really seen anything on this apart from free jersey from Lifestyle for nominations. That is full of Paulie which I don't really disagree with.

But my Irish player of the tournament would have to be Mike Ross. Probably a surprise to most people but if you take into consideration at the start of the tournament most people questioned if he should be in the squad at all. I seen comments on here about Ross been Leinsters 3rd choice, he was past it etc etc etc

To come back from all of the doubt and come out on top against England, Wales, Scotland, Italy and be on par with France is some comeback for Ross. He has gone back to starting tight head for World cup and really has to be in the team of the tournament.

no bias Leinster etc here. Just if you think where he was at start of tournament to where he is now. Of course we must mention O'Connell, Murray, Sexton, Heaslip etc. But if you are going for player of tournament I am taking it they started all the games. So this rules out a good few players. Next in line would be Murray to be honest.

There has been no standout but from the other countries. But below from each country....

England: Ford
Wales: Halfpenny
France: Dusatoir
Scotland: Laidlaw
Italy: Parisse(simply because they where s**t all tournament)

.ak

Actually I thought the same about Mike Ross, don't think he'd be my player of the tournament, but from being dropped by Leinster he was an absolute work horse for us and really surprised me, great scrummaging too, solid as a rock.

Ireland: Henshaw
England: Joseph
Wales: Biggar
France: Huget
Scotland: Bennett
Italy: Parisse

Big Nelly

.ak wrote: »

Actually I thought the same about Mike Ross, don't think he'd be my player of the tournament, but from being dropped by Leinster he was an absolute work horse for us and really surprised me, great scrummaging too, solid as a rock.

Ireland: Henshaw
England: Joseph
Wales: Biggar
France: Huget
Scotland: Bennett
Italy: Parisse

Joseph got lost in too many match's for me. For presence in the game I would think Ford would win out....also for nailing on the 10 jersey for world cup.....

Biggar I would agree with, I didn't think any welsh player had standout so just fired in Halfpenny

molloyjh

Ireland: Henshaw
England: Ford
Wales: Warburton
France: Dussatoir
Italy: Allan
Scotland: Hogg

Henshaw for his age and experience has shown he's going to be a massive player for us for years to come. Ford is just a class OH and will get better. Warburton had 2 outstanding games against Ireland and Italy and forced his way ahead of AWJ (who was excellent too). I was tempted to pick Huget for France but I think Dussatoir showed a level of effort and commitment that was often missing from French players. Allan may be a strange choice for Italy but I think he made a serious impact to Italy's game against both us and England. I cannot understand the choice of Haimona over him. Maybe Allan is better suited to 12. Hogg is another class player but he had Finn Russell to contend with who I thought was very good as well.

Mahatma Geansai

I'd have POC as our and the overall player of the tournament. He's 35 years old and considering retirement, but he was one of the best players in every game we played during the 6N. His workrate is phenomenal.

thomond2006

POC for me for the same reasons as MG. He rolled back the years.

sydthebeat

Ireland: POC
England: B Youngs
Wales: Charteris
France: Huget
Scotland: Bennett
Italy: Parisse

I think charteris actually had a fantastic tournament and outshone AWJ

Buer

Hasn't been said yet as anyone's choice and won't get it as he's just not marketable enough relative to others but AWJ definitely for me. He's a phenomenal player and was central to Wales. Warburton was excellent but AWJ sneaks it for his power around the field and mobility for a guy of his size.

For Ireland, probably Henshaw if we're looking at the tournament as a whole. POC started quietly before a roaring finish.

England, Youngs I think. Was a live wire but I fully expect form to go off the boil as standard with English scrum halves.

Scotland, has to be Hogg and Huget for France. Thought Luke McLean had a tidy tournament for Italy.

.ak

Big Nelly wrote: »

Joseph got lost in too many match's for me. For presence in the game I would think Ford would win out....also for nailing on the 10 jersey for world cup.....

Biggar I would agree with, I didn't think any welsh player had standout so just fired in Halfpenny

I'm not sure if he has nailed the 10 jersey - we'll see what happens when Owens comes back. I think Ford is being overhyped, yes it was his debut 6n and he showed some serious class, but in the game against us he was awful and he made a host of criminal errors on Saturday too despite finding his place kicking boots.

stephen_n

POC
Hogg
Webb or Biggar
Dussatoir
Robshaw
Parrise (by default)

razorblunt

Big Nelly wrote: »

England: Ford
Wales: Halfpenny
France: Dusatoir
Scotland: Laidlaw
Italy: Parisse(simply because they where s**t all tournament)

Whaa? He's one of the prime factors they lost all their games. What are your reasons for this?

Hogg, Grey (the younger) and Bennett were all ahead of him for me.

Big Nelly

razorblunt wrote: »

Whaa? He's one of the prime factors they lost all their games. What are your reasons for this?

Hogg, Grey (the younger) and Bennett were all ahead of him for me.

I only really watched the Ireland v Scotland matchs, the other ones I didn't pay a while lot of attention. Thought he had a good game and had to give him something for his tears at the start

bleg

Remember when Bowe was nearly in in the corner on Sat and flung it behind him to keep the ball alive? O'Connell was the player closest to him and nearly on his shoulder. Excellent.

fitz

bleg wrote: »

Remember when Bowe was nearly in in the corner on Sat and flung it behind him to keep the ball alive? O'Connell was the player closest to him and nearly on his shoulder. Excellent.

Imagine if that had gone to hand and Paulie had gone over for the try. Would have been absolutely magnificent...

O'Connell was player of the tournament for me, but would be happy for it to go to Henshaw either.

Sanjuro

.ak wrote: »

Actually I thought the same about Mike Ross, don't think he'd be my player of the tournament, but from being dropped by Leinster he was an absolute work horse for us and really surprised me, great scrummaging too, solid as a rock.

Ireland: Henshaw
England: Joseph
Wales: Biggar
France: Huget
Scotland: Bennett
Italy: Parisse

Everyone you said except Huget. Probably put Dusautoir in ahead of him.

.ak

Sanjuro wrote: »

Everyone you said except Huget. Probably put Dusautoir in ahead of him.

Yeah I toyed with that... the thing about Dusautoir is there has to be a few minus points for being a captain of a french side with so much talent unable to get better than 4th.

Big Nelly

.ak wrote: »

Yeah I toyed with that... the thing about Dusautoir is there has to be a few minus points for being a captain of a french side with so much talent unable to get better than 4th.

Dont think you can take points off Dusautoir for that, he was the stand out player for me for France, the issue France have is the coach.....

Sanjuro

.ak wrote: »

Yeah I toyed with that... the thing about Dusautoir is there has to be a few minus points for being a captain of a french side with so much talent unable to get better than 4th.

Very valid point. I would by default blame PSA and his scattershot approach to selection and tactics, but we've seen French captains of the past grab the team and take control. Just hope he doesn't find the inspiration to do that until October 12th.

wp_rathead

Ben Youngs was brilliant for England, and thought Nowell looked spritely

Webb for Wales at scrum half - as was Lydiate

Sarto had great tournament for Italy, as did the immortal Parisse

Hogg again shows he is quality

Between POC and Henshaw for Ireland

jm08

The official shortlist.You can vote here:

http://www.rbs6nations.com/RBSPlayerOfTheChampionship

Biggar, Dan(WAL)
Ford, George(ENG)
Gray, Jonny(SCO)
Henshaw, Robbie(IRE)
Hogg, Stuart(SCO)
Joseph, Jonathan(ENG)
Murray, Conor(IRE)
O'Connell, Paul(IRE)
Parisse, Sergio(ITA)
Vunipola, Billy(ENG)
Wyn Jones, Alun(WAL)
Youngs, Ben(ENG)
*


Read more at http://www.rbs6nations.com/RBSPlayerOfTheChampionship#H3qO2KVPGO06VxVi.99

SteelyDanJalapeno

Not one French player on the shortlist, harsh

efb

PoC
Ford
Halfpenny
Dusatoir
Ford
Parisse

Overall POC

aimee1

France - spedding
england - ford
wales - awj
scotland - bennett
italy - morisi
ireland - poc

POC to get overall award.

Pudsy33

Henshaw
Charteris
Ford
Ben Arous
McClean
Cowan.

Surprised no one mentioned Cowan, I thought he looked fantastic.

.ak

jm08 wrote: »

The official shortlist.You can vote here:

http://www.rbs6nations.com/RBSPlayerOfTheChampionship

Biggar, Dan(WAL)
Ford, George(ENG)
Gray, Jonny(SCO)
Henshaw, Robbie(IRE)
Hogg, Stuart(SCO)
Joseph, Jonathan(ENG)
Murray, Conor(IRE)
O'Connell, Paul(IRE)
Parisse, Sergio(ITA)
Vunipola, Billy(ENG)
Wyn Jones, Alun(WAL)
Youngs, Ben(ENG)
*


Read more at http://www.rbs6nations.com/RBSPlayerOfTheChampionship#H3qO2KVPGO06VxVi.99

Fair list. Interesting no Ford... which is right in my eyes.

TiltedBrain wrote: »

Not one French player on the shortlist, harsh

I don't think so, nobody was consistently good throughout the tournament. Although it'd have been nice to see Debaty up there! Legend.

Big Nelly

.ak wrote: »

Fair list. Interesting no Ford... which is right in my eyes.

Ford is number 2 in list

.ak

Actually surprised Sexton didn't make it. Guess that 60 minutes in Cardiff was just too much to have him considered, although don't think he was as bad as people made him out to be there. The fact is we wouldn't have won without him; would we have won without any of the other Irish contenders (Henshaw, POC, Murray)? It's very likely, although Murray could've easily been MotM against England.

.ak

Big Nelly wrote: »

Ford is number 2 in list

I'm clearly going blind.

Big Nelly

jm08 wrote: »

The official shortlist.You can vote here:

http://www.rbs6nations.com/RBSPlayerOfTheChampionship

Biggar, Dan(WAL)
Ford, George(ENG)
Gray, Jonny(SCO)
Henshaw, Robbie(IRE)
Hogg, Stuart(SCO)
Joseph, Jonathan(ENG)
Murray, Conor(IRE)
O'Connell, Paul(IRE)
Parisse, Sergio(ITA)
Vunipola, Billy(ENG)
Wyn Jones, Alun(WAL)
Youngs, Ben(ENG)
*


Read more at http://www.rbs6nations.com/RBSPlayerOfTheChampionship#H3qO2KVPGO06VxVi.99

Not a bad list, I would question why Sexton is not in list? They have 2 10's in list and neither was best 10 in tournament, I agree to have Ford in there but Sexton gave him a lesson in Dublin

death1234567

Parissé. It's a shame he plays for Italy because if he played for any other team he would get the recognition he deserves.

captbarnacles

POC had an incredible tournament. Still improving at 35! looks like he could play to 38 easily.

The French wing Nakamata (sp?) just for yesterdays entertainment.

I thought Paulie had a good tournament. Not sure about player of the Tournament and I think people are maybe being a bit emotional about it (similar to BOD last year).

I thought the performance of the Tournament was Henshaw v England. He left absolutely *nothing* on the pitch that day and played so intensely you would think it was in Croke Park.

AWJ in Wales V Ireland was another huge display, gave it everything and was a leader on a day when leadership was a deciding factor.

Parisse in the game against Scotland again was a big performance.

For me though, he isn't on the list but Sexton was the player of the Tournament. He wasn't at his best, but he is still so spectacularly good that it's still good enough. The only reasons Ireland are capable of the control we displayed against England and France was down to his game management and the way he moved our pack and backline against Scotland was an incredible display.

Paulie for sure is going to win though, he was brilliant and then there is the sentimental bit.

Big Nelly

death1234567 wrote: »

Parissé. It's a shame he plays for Italy because if he played for any other team he would get the recognition he deserves.

He gets huge recognition from everyone in rugby World.....

The thing he doesn't get is trophy's!!!!

jm08

Big Nelly wrote: »

Not a bad list, I would question why Sexton is not in list? They have 2 10's in list and neither was best 10 in tournament, I agree to have Ford in there but Sexton gave him a lesson in Dublin

Its based on stats.

How the shortlist has been created:

Throughout the 2015 RBS 6 Nations each player has been awarded (or deducted) points based on statistical performance across different action categories that cover all aspects of the game. To ensure fairness, the RBS 6 Nations analysts have weighted the importance of different actions depending on different positions. These categories have been collated to give each player an overall performance score. The top scoring players are listed below in alphabetical order.

Read more at http://www.rbs6nations.com/RBSPlayerOfTheChampionship#vPh2E5pZv8osOZ4X.99

Quint2010

.ak wrote: »

Although it'd have been nice to see Debaty up there! Legend.

Absolutely! How he managed to keep up with the French winger and score that try I will never know!

thebaz

[QUOTE=Big Nelly;94795326
But my Irish player of the tournament would have to be Mike Ross. Probably a surprise to most people but if you take into consideration at the start of the tournament most people questioned if he should be in the squad at all. I seen comments on here about Ross been Leinsters 3rd choice, he was past it etc etc etc

To come back from all of the doubt and come out on top against England, Wales, Scotland, Italy and be on par with France is some comeback for Ross. He has gone back to starting tight head for World cup and really has to be in the team of the tournament.
[/QUOTE]

Ross had a good tournament along with many other Irish - Henshaw, McGrath, Murray, Sexton

but seriously, if POC did not get player of tournament , must have been watching a different

Korat

I thought Jonathan Joseph was the stand out player this year.

If POC was Italian he'd be World player of the year but it's hard to stand out in an excellent group of players.

MugMugs

Korat wrote: »

I thought Jonathan Joseph was the stand out player this year.

He earned some serious kudos from me when he tip toed past three serious tacklers in Cardiff.

He hasn't failed to excite me since !

TommyOM

I'm going to go against the grain here and say Stuart Hogg.

molloyjh

MugMugs wrote: »

He earned some serious kudos from me when he tip toed past three serious tacklers in Cardiff.

He hasn't failed to excite me since !

The Ireland game? Give the guy space and time ans he's electric. Don't and he can be pretty anonymous.

Leslie91

Paulie and Henshaw neck and neck for me.

Thought Wynn Jones has been outstanding for Wales, against us he was incredible.

George Ford looks the real deal for England.

total former

Warburton and AWJ were both very good. If Stuart Hogg was playing in a better side he'd be a definite candidate too.

Not a great tournament for stand-out individuals though.

Webbs

AWJ was standout for me. In loss to England he was pretty much only Welsh forward still putting his body on the line in final 30mins. He then arguably had 2 MoM performances against Ireland and Italy. His performance level did not drop throughout the tournament.

LorMal

I am missing something. Why Henshaw? A great defensive shift v England. Great work rate all round. But was he that effective in attack? I didn't see it.

rrpc

LorMal wrote: »

I am missing something. Why Henshaw? A great defensive shift v England. Great work rate all round. But was he that effective in attack? I didn't see it.

He has a massive missed tackle count. I'm talking about stats here because a lot of his 'misses' are where he was chasing a kick and the ball didn't have enough hang time to enable him to get to the fielder, but he would try and inevitably miss the tackle.

Case in point was Alex Goode caught behind his own posts and at least three Irish tacklers (including Henshaw) tried and failed to tackle him.

Korat

Leslie91 wrote: »

George Ford looks the real deal for England.

As long as Jonny Sexton isn't dropping barrel bombs on him!:)

Leslie91

Korat wrote: »

As long as Jonny Sexton isn't dropping barrel bombs on him!:)

V few can cope with those barrel bombs and he is only a pup, but with ball in hand and defensively he punches well above his weight.

TommyOM

rrpc wrote: »

He has a massive missed tackle count. I'm talking about stats here because a lot of his 'misses' are where he was chasing a kick and the ball didn't have enough hang time to enable him to get to the fielder, but he would try and inevitably miss the tackle.

Case in point was Alex Goode caught behind his own posts and at least three Irish tacklers (including Henshaw) tried and failed to tackle him.

A massive tackle count doesn't win you player of the tournament.

I think they are massive green tinted spectacles with everyone putting Henshaw forward. If he was from any other nationality he would barely be mentioned in this thread.

razorblunt

Webbs wrote: »

AWJ was standout for me. In loss to England he was pretty much only Welsh forward still putting his body on the line in final 30mins. He then arguably had 2 MoM performances against Ireland and Italy. His performance level did not drop throughout the tournament.

Good call, he also smashed POC off a ball from the ruck that lead to Wales' try.

ionadnapokot

Ireland - PO'C
England - Ford
Wales - Webb
France - ? Kockott:D
Scotland - Bennett
Italy - ? Sarto:D

O'Connell to win Player of the Tournament

wp_rathead

TommyOM wrote: »

A massive tackle count doesn't win you player of the tournament.

I think they are massive green tinted spectacles with everyone putting Henshaw forward. If he was from any other nationality he would barely be mentioned in this thread.

His "Defenders beaten" stat very impressive too - while not many Clean Breaks I'll admit. Fully deserves be nominated for it