using holidays as part of notice period

breghall

Although a bit lousy but unavoidable, i need to use remaining holidays as a means to getting out of my job early.

I have been offered a new job but i have to start it in just over 4 weeks. I have to give 1 months notice as per contact. I have 5 days holidays remaining, if i got my holidays approved early on Wed, can I then hand in my notice later on in the day?

This way i'll work out most of my notice except the last week., i need time to pack up as i have to move house. If i don't use my holidays i know my employer will take them from me.

Stheno

Firstly those holidays can be unapproved if you are leaving, so don't bank on getting them approved and having them still once you resign.

Secondly if you leave and have holidays outstanding you are entitled to be paid for them

breghall

Stheno wrote: »

Firstly those holidays can be unapproved if you are leaving, so don't bank on getting them approved and having them still once you resign.

Secondly if you leave and have holidays outstanding you are entitled to be paid for them

Hi Stheno,

i was assuming once they were approved that they can't be unapproved, as i've never heard of someone un-approving holidays
So once approved then i'll wait a few hrs and hand in my notice (3 of 4 weeks), and my last week will be my holidays that i have has approved.

i won't have any outstanding holidays as my employer will def use them as my last week, that i won't be in work for.

Stheno

breghall wrote: »

Hi Stheno,

i was assuming once they were approved that they can't be unapproved, as i've never heard of someone un-approving holidays
So once approved then i'll wait a few hrs and hand in my notice (3 of 4 weeks), and my last week will be my holidays that i have has approved.

i won't have any outstanding holidays as my employer will def use them as my last week, that i won't be in work for.

They could certainly ask that you work those days given that you will be leaving and they may need you to do a handover etc.

I just wouldn't count on it. Tbh what you are doing is devious imo.

breghall

Stheno wrote: »

Tbh what you are doing is devious imo.

I know, i know

In my defence, i did say it was lousy, at the start of the thread...

Grandpa Hassan

When you say you have 5 days holiday remaining, is that your pro-rata allowance remaining? So if you've an annual entitlement of 20, and you're leaving 1/4 of the way though the year, you only get 5 days total. If you've taken them already, and you book more before you hand in your notice, you will almost certainly get any days above your pro-rata allowance unapproved

breghall

5 days are currently what I have entitled to me on our timekeeping system, haven't taken any this year yet.

Jim2007

breghall wrote: »

I have been offered a new job but i have to start it in just over 4 weeks. I have to give 1 months notice as per contact. I have 5 days holidays remaining, if i got my holidays approved early on Wed, can I then hand in my notice later on in the day?.

Sure you can! And then your employer can cancel the holidays and require you to work out the notice. Which is exactly what I would do if you tried to pull a fast one on me like that - even if all you were doing was counting the paper clips.

No one likes to be made a fool of, so don't be at all surprised if things turn very nasty very quickly.

Gael23

This is a very sneaky move that will almost certainly come back and bite you. Your employer doesn't have to allow this and can ask you to work the remaining week of your notice period when you return from the 5 days holidays.

Grandpa Hassan

To book the 5 days and then hand in your notice is sneaky and will annoy your employer.

To hand in your notice then agree a notice period which includes your 5 days (which appears to be an entitlement) is far more like to end up with a better outcome for you

PCX

If i were you I'd look closely at your current contract. I'm pretty sure my last contract explicitly stated that i could not take any leave during my notice period.

sjb25

I was in a similar position as you luckily I had a good employer at the time I came straight out and was honest about it told them I could work 3 of the 4 weeks notice but I needed the last week and I would be prepared for them to take the holidays was due if they could accomadate me they where fine about it more so for the fact I was honest and didn't leave them hanging out to dry so in short we came to an arrangement that was ok for both of us I don't think they would have been as nice if I just pulled a fast one on them

bpmurray

sjb25 wrote: »

I was in a similar position as you luckily I had a good employer at the time I came straight out and was honest about it told them I could work 3 of the 4 weeks notice but I needed the last week and I would be prepared for them to take the holidays was due if they could accomadate me they where fine about it more so for the fact I was honest and didn't leave them hanging out to dry so in short we came to an arrangement that was ok for both of us I don't think they would have been as nice if I just pulled a fast one on them

Definitely the correct approach. Talk to your manager and tell him/her the situation - it's up to them if they want to be an a-hole at that point or to let you take your vacation.

skallywag

breghall wrote: »

5 days are currently what I have entitled to me on our timekeeping system, haven't taken any this year yet.

What about being upfront with your current employer, working out your notice, and having the 5 days holidays being paid out to you when you leave?

Saipanne

breghall wrote: »

I know, i know

In my defence, i did say it was lousy, at the start of the thread...

That's not a defence...