GLAS Private Adviser Cost

ihatewinter

Hey did anyone get a price off a private adviser to put together a GLAS Plan. Thanks

I see from the IFJ that 'Carroll Consultancy is charging between €400 to €520 to put in a GLAS plan and €275 minimum plus VAT for the nutrient management plan. The fee each year will range from €300 to €390 plus VAT depending on the farm size'.

Compared to Teagasc. Farmers can expect to pay €1,145 for the Green Low-Carbon Agri-Environment Scheme “GLAS service stage 1A – GLAS plan” will cost a farmer €435. This payment is for the creation of a GLAS plan and includes a farm visit. Then they must also pay a €465 follow-up payment, which includes a farm visit to review the GLAS plan. They must also sign up to one of three “core contracts”, the cheapest of which is €145. The €145 “core contracts” fee is annual, but covers a farmer’s Basic Payment Scheme application each year.

I'm wondering will it be worth it at all. Plus I have to add 2 commonage plans to that. I might be better off not going for it. Less hassle and less restrictions. Basically a wage for advisers.

MayoAreMagic

This is the thing that is coming into my mind over the last while also. It is looking more and more like the money to be made is almost cancelled out by the charges going back to their own cronies, and the bit you do make isn't worth all the time, effort and extra work that you are going to have to put in to get it.

ihatewinter

I rang a local adviser and he is charging 250 euro for the plan plus the same for Nutrient Management Plan. Not too bad compared to Teagasc

Green farmer

I'd prefer to pay a small reasonably priced local agri adviser, who takes a chance on being self employed and work's hard at establishing a client base and growing their own business, as opposed to a big government funded organisation.

supersean1999

If you have a lot of commonage. Does that not make it easier.

blue5000

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

This is the thing that is coming into my mind over the last while also. It is looking more and more like the money to be made is almost cancelled out by the charges going back to their own cronies, and the bit you do make isn't worth all the time, effort and extra work that you are going to have to put in to get it.

+1
Don't forget fooking inspections and a probable penalty not just on glas, but on everything.

TUBBY

ihatewinter wrote: »

I rang a local adviser and he is charging 250 euro for the plan plus the same for Nutrient Management Plan. Not too bad compared to Teagasc

would ya mind pm'ing ihateqintwr. That's a good price.

CallofGuti

This made me spit out my ovaltine! From the Farmer's Journal.

Farmers can expect to pay €1,145 for the Green Low-Carbon Agri-Environment Scheme (AEOS) plan if they use Teagasc and the Farm Relief Service (FRS), the Irish Farmers Journal can reveal.

In its advisory charges summary for 2015, Teagasc notes that a “GLAS service stage 1A – GLAS plan” will cost a farmer €435. This payment is for the creation of a GLAS plan and includes a farm visit by an FRS adviser.

If a farmer is accepted into GLAS, then they must also pay a €465 follow-up payment, which includes a farm visit to review the GLAS plan before the end of the first full year.

Connemara Farmer

supersean1999 wrote: »

If you have a lot of commonage. Does that not make it easier.

No.

Multiple commonages may see you paying multiple different planners to do the CMP's each commonage will need.

God help you if you go looking to get the planner of your choice as CMP planner like I did, ten days wasted. Farmers will listen to whatever advice the lad they've been with donkeys years give them. Regardless of what makes sense.

You will need to reach a min for your flock number in the CMP by december 2016 I think.

Your commonage needs to reach the min stock number by dec 2018 - which, in some cases could see farmers having to take responsibility for entire or other shares of commonage they don't own and aren't claiming for.

Read page 25 for some penalties:

http://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/farmingschemesandpayments/glas/GLASTermsConditions27February2015.pdf

You are, in effect, signing off on a plan you haven't seen yet.

Some of the dirty tactics going on between planners competing for business is nothing short of disgraceful.

Poor Farmer in the hills

People need to realise that when they go with Teagasc (if they can afford them!!)that a sub-contractor from FRS does their plan and may never be seen again. At least with a private planner based in the area they will have the same person dealing with them who will become very familiar with their farm and generally will be much cheaper.
As one FRS planner said " sure i will be sacked after 6 months when Glas closes"

supersean1999

Connemara Farmer wrote: »

No.

Multiple commonages may see you paying multiple different planners to do the CMP's each commonage will need.

God help you if you go looking to get the planner of your choice as CMP planner like I did, ten days wasted. Farmers will listen to whatever advice the lad they've been with donkeys years give them. Regardless of what makes sense.

You will need to reach a min for your flock number in the CMP by december 2016 I think.

Your commonage needs to reach the min stock number by dec 2018 - which, in some cases could see farmers having to take responsibility for entire or other shares of commonage they don't own and aren't claiming for.

Read page 25 for some penalties:


http://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/farmingschemesandpayments/glas/GLASTermsConditions27February2015.pdf

You are, in effect, signing off on a plan you haven't seen yet.

Some of the dirty tactics going on between planners competing for business is nothing short of disgraceful.

what if guys dont go into glas but are clearly using it and claiming das and basic payment. Surely there stock will be taken into account.

Connemara Farmer

Poor Farmer in the hills wrote: »

People need to realise that when they go with Teagasc (if they can afford them!!)that a sub-contractor from FRS does their plan and may never be seen again. At least with a private planner based in the area they will have the same person dealing with them who will become very familiar with their farm and generally will be much cheaper.
As one FRS planner said " sure i will be sacked after 6 months when Glas closes"

To be 100% straight about it, FRS are the one group I really want to avoid doing any CMP's on my commonages. Unfortunately, due to a threeway split between tennants on two it looks likely they may get the job.

Connemara Farmer

supersean1999 wrote: »

what if guys dont go into glas but are clearly using it and claiming das and basic payment. Surely there stock will be taken into account.

Those aren't the ones I mean. The more active farmers grazing the better. I know of one guy who has to put up 1,800 ewes onto a commonage where he is the only active grazier. Effectively he'll be forced to graze the entire commonage, yet he's only claiming on his share of it.

I think it completely unfair that any farmer is being made responsible for more than the ground they own.

supersean1999

Connemara Farmer wrote: »

Those aren't the ones I mean. The more active farmers grazing the better. I know of one guy who has to put up 1,800 ewes onto a commonage where he is the only active grazier. Effectively he'll be forced to graze the entire commonage, yet he's only claiming on his share of it.

I think it completely unfair that any farmer is being made responsible for more than the ground they own.

I agree. In my case a few guys dont want to bother with it. The biggest farmers. With apx 60% of total stock in it. And a few of us do want to join. As it stands now im spot on with stock and numbers. But the remaining lads combined that want to join glas would struggle to reach the min required but if the other active shareholders were taken into account. Our hill is spot on for numbers

Connemara Farmer

supersean1999 wrote: »

I agree. In my case a few guys dont want to bother with it. The biggest farmers. With apx 60% of total stock in it. And a few of us do want to join. As it stands now im spot on with stock and numbers. But the remaining lads combined that want to join glas would struggle to reach the min required but if the other active shareholders were taken into account. Our hill is spot on for numbers

It IS a voluntary scheme, but from what I have been hearing you're safer inside the plan for the future. A lot of people think staying outside of GLAS will remove them from land eligibility issues etc. It's not the best joined up thinking. If I stick my head in the sand the bogeyman can't see me type thing.

That the scheme is such a shambles, the Dept being great on announcements while short on action/detail, and planners warring with each other...... It's very, very hard on farmers trying to make any sort of informed decision.

My own position, given my enforced starting point, the make up of some of the commonages, is that I may not be able to sell a hoof of any gender at all for the next three years.

Just to make up numbers on OTHER shares.