Member of two clubs

sailing

Hi,

Just a quick question. I'm currently living in Dublin but am a country member of a club in the midlands. We play out of there as much as we can. I recently joined my local club in Dublin on a five day membership offer. However I would still like to consider my home club as my midlands club for handicap purposes due to having a group of local friends who I try to travel down to play with as much as possible. As a five day member my membership limits me to weekday competitions whereas I can play at any stage in the other club. Would choosing to keep my handicap in one club have an impact in playing club competitions in the other? I know very few people in the Dublin club but it allows me to play as a shift worker during the week without the hassle of constant green fees. They do however have midweek competitions for the summer so it would be a chance to get to know more people playing out of there.

cairny

You don't really have a choice, the rule is that your handicap is managed by the Club where you play most of your (competition) golf.

Sounds like that will be the country club anyway so you'll be ok.

Having one club manage your handicap has no impact on comps in the other. Adjustments will be based on each individual competiton.

joxer1988

boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057374144

Asked this question myself a few weeks ago.

sailing

joxer1988 wrote: »

boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057374144

Asked this question myself a few weeks ago.

Thanks joxer. Just had a read of the thread and it appears to answer the question alright. Despite telling and providing my new second club about my GUI membership and handicap they've issued me with a new GUI card and number. I'll just have to try to contact the Club I guess.

PARlance

sailing wrote: »

Thanks joxer. Just had a read of the thread and it appears to answer the question alright. Despite telling and providing my new second club about my GUI membership and handicap they've issued me with a new GUI card and number. I'll just have to try to contact the Club I guess.

Try to get 20 plus 1's a year on your second card and after 3 or 4 years hit the bandit scene

sailing

PARlance wrote: »

Try to get 20 plus 1's a year on your second card and after 3 or 4 years hit the bandit scene

That's exactly what I'm trying to avoid. My competition history and handicap is based on my current GUI. I don't want a second one nor in my opinion should it be allowed to have a second.

slave1

sailing wrote: »

Thanks joxer. Just had a read of the thread and it appears to answer the question alright. Despite telling and providing my new second club about my GUI membership and handicap they've issued me with a new GUI card and number. I'll just have to try to contact the Club I guess.

Don't worry about the new card, each club is signified by the first 4 digits of your GUI number so not really a problem, you can choose your 'home' club card to use in opens etc, the other card will be used so you can avoid green fees at your second course....

PARlance

sailing wrote: »

That's exactly what I'm trying to avoid. My competition history and handicap is based on my current GUI. I don't want a second one nor should it be allowed to have a second.

Believe me I was joking

An easy way around it would be:
GUI should assign everyone a unique ID that would save all this hassle and much more. That ID should stay with you for life no matter what club you join or if you take a break from the game. Your GUI number may vary (as it will differ from club to club... I think the first 4 digits are your clubs ID) but this other number can hold your lifetime history.

Think it was mike12 that suggested it a while back and it's probably the best and easiest suggestion to implement that I've heard in a long time.

Norfolk Enchants_

OP you're not meant/allowed to have 2 GUI cards, you made a mistake when joining the 2nd club by not informing them you are already a member of another club and you already have a GUI HC and card.
You can easily sort this out by informing your new club of the mistake and they'll correct the issue.

sailing

Norfolk Enchants_ wrote: »

OP you're not meant/allowed to have 2 GUI cards, you made a mistake when joining the 2nd club by not informing them you are already a member of another club and you already have a GUI HC and card.
You can easily sort this out by informing your new club of the mistake and they'll correct the issue.

Hi Norfolk. I did indeed inform the new club and documented my current GUI details during the process of applying for membership on my application form. I wasn't aware of you not being allowed have two GUI cards but it makes perfect sense that you shouldn't. I'll just have to talk to the club I think. I just wasn't aware of what's allowed and what isn't hence the seeking of advice here. Many thanks.

Norfolk Enchants_

sailing wrote: »

Hi Norfolk. I did indeed inform the new club and documented my current GUI details during the process of applying for membership on my application form. I wasn't aware of you not being allowed have two GUI cards but it makes perfect sense that you shouldn't. I'll just have to talk to the club I think. I just wasn't aware of what's allowed and what isn't hence the seeking of advice here. Many thanks.

Fair enough, it seems the error is on the part of the new club then, either way it can be easily remedied by getting in touch with your new club and explaining the situation.

mike12

Not the case as far as i'm aware you can get issued a GUI card for every membership you have was in the possesion of 4 myself at one stage.
Always used the one for my home club that way you show up as a vistor at the other clubs but that never seemed to be a issue.

slave1

I don't think there's an issue with more than one card, sure you would need a card for your away club to play in their member competitions as ID as staff could not be expected to know every single member. I've had two in the past a few times, one for handicap in all competitions and another as ID to prove membership and avoid green fees

Unglika Norse

You are issued with a card for each club that you are a member of, as mike says above. Not that uncommon.

Some clubs may have bar levies etc that will be added to their own cards.

If you should use the incorrect card at a competition the score will be, or at least woould have but I don't know how the new system is going to work, been returned to the club of the card you used and forwarded to your home club.

Norfolk Enchants_

mike12 wrote: »

Not the case as far as i'm aware you can get issued a GUI card for every membership you have was in the possesion of 4 myself at one stage.
Always used the one for my home club that way you show up as a vistor at the other clubs but that never seemed to be a issue.

Mike unless it's a clerical error, I can't see how you can have more than 1 active GUI membership card, besides the obvious potential for HC manipulation, it's also skewing the GUI memebership numbers.
You only pay your GUI sub in one club, not every club you are a member of, perhaps people are confusing club "credit cards" with GUI cards, you are only suppose to one active GUI HC card.

Unglika Norse

Norfolk Enchants_ wrote: »

Mike unless it's a clerical error, I can't see how you can have more than 1 active GUI membership card, besides the obvious potential for HC manipulation, it's also skewing the GUI memebership numbers.
You only pay your GUI sub in one club, not every club you are a member of, perhaps people are confusing club "credit cards" with GUI cards, you are only suppose to one active GUI HC card.

Tell me where did you get this from. You do now only pay a GUI fee in one club but you will be registered with the second club as an away player for handicap purposes. No one is mixing up GUI cards with Club credit cards.

As previously stated your handicap must be held at the club were you play most of your competitive golf.

If by mistake you use your second club card to enter a competition, it would have been reported by an error message when uploading/downloading handicaps to golfnet and you would have been asked to check a box to send it to/notify the players home club.

This is why it was so important for clubs to run qualifying competitons through the PC. These so called "opens" are and will remain the prime target for misuse as a lot of the clubs from anecdotal evidence do not look for a GUI card to let you play at the open rate as a revenue generator, they simply do not enter you into the competition if it is run through the PC

Norfolk Enchants_

Unglika Norse wrote: »

Tell me where did you get this from. You do now only pay a GUI fee in one club but you will be registered with the second club as an away player for handicap purposes. No one is mixing up GUI cards with Club credit cards.

As previously stated your handicap must be held at the club were you play most of your competitive golf.

If by mistake you use your second club card to enter a competition, it would have been reported by an error message when uploading/downloading handicaps to golfnet and you would have been asked to check a box to send it to/notify the players home club.

This is why it was so important for clubs to run qualifying competitons through the PC. These so called "opens" are and will remain the prime target for misuse as a lot of the clubs from anecdotal evidence do not look for a GUI card to let you play at the open rate as a revenue generator, they simply do not enter you into the competition if it is run through the PC

Oh right I must be the exception then, apart form been a member in more than one club and in possesion of only one GUI, I can offer no other evidence apart form the obvious.
Are you sure you're not confusing your club "credt card" with a GUI card? because it sounds alot like it.

lettuce97

Norfolk Enchants_ wrote: »

Oh right I must be the exception then, apart form been a member in more than one club and in possesion of only one GUI, I can offer no other evidence apart form the obvious.
Are you sure you're not confusing your club "credt card" with a GUI card? because it sounds alot like it.

Same as this, and I was specifically told by my "away" club that you only get one GUI card.

mike12

All the cards have a GUI number on them so i assume they are working GUI cards one membership overlapped another and i just started using the new card.
That is my problem with the system nothing stopping you rocking up at a new club and getting a handicap based on 3 new rounds. You could pay membership at 10 different clubs with 10 different handicaps and the GUI would never know.

Norfolk Enchants_

mike12 wrote: »

All the cards have a GUI number on them so i assume they are working GUI cards one membership overlapped another and i just started using the new card.
That is my problem with the system nothing stopping you rocking up at a new club and getting a handicap based on 3 new rounds. You could pay membership at 10 different clubs with 10 different handicaps and the GUI would never know.

Mike you are talking about a different problem, you are only meant to have one active GUI card, from your designated home club, the previous "home club" cards may still be active for a period of time but they should not be used and should not be carried around in your wallet and like an old credit card they should be destroyed.
Every system is open to abuse is one so wishes, but with as with all things golf related it relies on the individuals honesty and intergrity.

Unglika Norse

Norfolk Enchants_ wrote: »

Oh right I must be the exception then, apart form been a member in more than one club and in possesion of only one GUI, I can offer no other evidence apart form the obvious.
Are you sure you're not confusing your club "credt card" with a GUI card? because it sounds alot like it.

No, I don't think i am confusing them, now with the new golfnet server they may address this situation. I thought you may have seen the rule written somewhere.

The reason you don't have a card with your second club is possibly due to the fact that they did not register you with the GUI as an away player. Hebce the GUI will not issue the card.

Mike added a bit to his post in the meantime.

This new server is an attempt to sort this and more importantly the issue of lapsed memberhsip cards out, It is very common today for lapsed members to show up and play in a competition with a card and disappear, there has been no way up until now to stop that happening. by having you tegister your one card with them.


If you play regularly in your second club and play competitions there then you are being entered as an away player, when in fact you should be being entered as a home player but having your score returned to your Home club for handicap regulation.

I am currently a member of 3 clubs and have cards from each of them. My home club (were I play most of my competitions) regulates the handicap.

The other 2 clubs both have bar/restaurant/social levies/competition fees for which up until now at least if I play in a competition the above happens.

The reason for this is to not through the CSS askew by having a number of "away" players returning exceptional scorse on a course they know very well.

In the software programmes for handicaps, I am aware that there is provision to notify each of your clubs that you hold another membership and as to which is the handicapping authourity. Actually this has now changed as in the old days you could choose, now you can't.

http://www.smartclubsolutions.com/case-studies/case-studies-spec/rosslare-golf-club

Here is one example of where a club uses it's GUI card as it's smart card to integrate it into a number of epos situtaions, if you were a member of this club and another club which was your home club you would need the second GUI card for getting you dinks in after the round. there are more clubs like this.

Norfolk Enchants_

Unglika Norse wrote: »

No, I don't think i am confusing them, now with the new golfnet server they may address this situation. I thought you may have seen the rule written somewhere.

The reason you don't have a card with your second club is possibly due to the fact that they did not register you with the GUI as an away player. Hebce the GUI will not issue the card.

Mike added a bit to his post in the meantime.

This new server is an attempt to sort this and more importantly the issue of lapsed memberhsip cards out, It is very common today for lapsed members to show up and play in a competition with a card and disappear, there has been no way up until now to stop that happening. by having you tegister your one card with them.


If you play regularly in your second club and play competitions there then you are being entered as an away player, when in fact you should be being entered as a home player but having your score returned to your Home club for handicap regulation.

I am currently a member of 3 clubs and have cards from each of them. My home club (were I play most of my competitions) regulates the handicap.

The other 2 clubs both have bar/restaurant/social levies/competition fees for which up until now at least if I play in a competition the above happens.

The reason for this is to not through the CSS askew by having a number of "away" players returning exceptional scorse on a course they know very well.

In the software programmes for handicaps, I am aware that there is provision to notify each of your clubs that you hold another membership and as to which is the handicapping authourity. Actually this has now changed as in the old days you could choose, now you can't.

http://www.smartclubsolutions.com/case-studies/case-studies-spec/rosslare-golf-club

Here is one example of where a club uses it's GUI card as it's smart card to integrate it into a number of epos situtaions, if you were a member of this club and another club which was your home club you would need the second GUI card for getting you dinks in after the round. there are more clubs like this.

Jaysus you even have me confused now;), lets not overcomplicate the situation.
I can assure you though I understand fully how the system works and I can also assure you I am registered with my second club and as such my scores there are returned as a home player with an "away" handicap, if you take a moment to think about it, you'll see that couldn't ever be the case if I was issued with a GUI card from every club I was member, because every club then would become my "home club" for HC purposes.
From the link above it looks like you are you saying that your GUI card doubles as a "smart credit card" for use in that particular club? is that correct?
If that's the case you essentially still only have one GUI card with one GUI handicap number and only ever use that number for entering comps and the other cards are "club credit cards".

Norfolk Enchants_

I fired off an email to the GUI and below is the response,

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You should only have a card from the Club where your handicap is held.
In Ireland this is deemed to be the club where you play most of your
competitive golf.

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Sent: 04 March 2015 15:05
To: info@munster.gui.ie
Subject: Handicap query


Hi,

I have a quick query regarding handicaps and Gui cards, if I am a member of
more than one club am I issued with a Gui card and handicap for each club?
if not what is the correct procedure?.

Thanks in advance,

xxxxx.

PARlance

Thanks Norfolk,

(Five kisses) xxxxx

The Rape of Lucretia

I am in two clubs, and have two GUI cards. They both know I am a member in two but seem OK that I have the two cards. Most of the time my handicap is the same in both, and if different is never more than a shot, nor lasts too long.
Seems to work OK and have had no problems.

RecordStraight

sailing wrote: »

I'm currently living in Dublin but am a country member

I remember. :pac: