Why Europe needs to welcome multiculturalism

Paideia

We all know what happens when European countries start displaying nationalism so let's not forget what the root of the problem here is. There is no place in modern Europe for ethnically pure states. That was a 19th century idea and we are going to transition into the 21st century and we are going to do it with multi-ethnic states.

It is absolutely essential that diversity occurs in these regions. History has shown us that the Brits, Spaniards and more recently the Germans have oppressive warlike tendencies when they bunch together. Homogeneity can not take place in Europe ever again or else history will just repeat itself. Therefore all of Western Europe needs to get 'diluted' to keep the violent ways of these people and natural tribal instincts suppressed.

Yes you read that right, multiculturalism is a great thing.

The Diabolical Monocle

That ok we're diluted enough at this stage.

moderation in everything.

Hande hoche!

Is there any group of people that hasn't had warlike tendencies?

endacl

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Is there any group of people that hasn't had warlike tendencies?

Stoners.

jmcc

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Is there any group of people that hasn't had warlike tendencies?

Yeah. But they are all dead.

Regards...jmcc

Nodin

Paideia wrote: »

We all know (...........) a great thing.

So how does America fit in to that?

Paideia

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

That ok we're diluted enough at this stage.

moderation in everything.

Most Western European countries are still above 80% native populations. This is far too high and is the reason right wing nationalist parties are springing up all over Europe. Ethnic Europeans need to be one of many minorities in their countries or else they will try to take over the world again.

jackboy

You can have multi ethnic states without multiculturalism.

FTA69

Obvious is obvious.

Saipanne

It's been a success, so far!









;-)

suicide_circus

Why do Europe and America need to aspire to full multiculturalism and other regions dont?

Mantis1234

Would you say the same thing about Africa?

bodice ripper

Paideia wrote: »

Most Western European countries are still above 80% native populations. This is far too high and is the reason right wing nationalist parties are springing up all over Europe. Ethnic Europeans need to be one of many minorities in their countries or else they will try to take over the world again.

Do you think this is true of all ethnic groups and countries or just Europeans?

Paideia

Nodin wrote: »

So how does America fit in to that?

Thankfully America is also getting diluted. Obama has no plans to deport the 20 million illegal mestizo immigrants here which will aid us in making whites a non majority population in the US by 2050.

bodice ripper

Paideia wrote: »

Thankfully America is also getting diluted. Obama has no plans to deport the 20 million illegal mestizo immigrants here which will aid us in making whites a non majority population in the US by 2050.

Yeah, you're not real. This is a setup for someone to rail against a "lefty loony".

Karl Stein

Multiculturalism and Nationalism aren't mutually exclusive.

Your OP is now redundant.

Fin.

Paideia

Mantis1234 wrote: »

Would you say the same thing about Africa?

I don't remember Africa trying to take over the globe at any time in history, these people aren't racist bigots.

The Diabolical Monocle

Paideia wrote: »

Most Western European countries are still above 80% native populations. This is far too high and is the reason right wing nationalist parties are springing up all over Europe. Ethnic Europeans need to be one of many minorities in their countries or else they will try to take over the world again.

lol will they really.

80% sounds about right for a balance.

would you have the reverse figures by any chance ?? - Diversity of non-European countries by non-native population.

I'd guess 20% non-native population will look astoundingly liberal from their point of view.

suicide_circus

Paideia wrote: »

I don't remember Africa trying to take over the globe at any time in history, these people aren't racist bigots.

Must try harder

Yellowblackbird

Paideia wrote: »

History has shown us that the Brits, Spaniards and more recently the Germans have oppressive warlike tendencies when they bunch together. Homogeneity can not take place in Europe ever again or else history will just repeat itself.

You're belief that "warlike tendencies" are genetic in origin implies you believe that brits and germans and spanish are ethnically inferior because they are genetically predisposed to savagery and aggression.

Why don't you set up concentration camps for them?

Paideia

bodice ripper wrote: »

Do you think this is true of all ethnic groups and countries or just Europeans?

In 1700/1800s nearly the whole globe was controlled by western European superpowers and Russia. These people clearly have an oppressive power hungry gene in them.

Mantis1234

Paideia wrote: »

I don't remember Africa trying to take over the globe at any time in history, these people aren't racist bigots.

You don't remember Africa having tribal/ethnic/religious conflicts? The only reason Africa didn't try to conquer the world is because they didn't have the technology. You can bet your arse they would have if they could. So would Ireland.
Asians tried, Middle Easterns tried, Europeans tried. You think Africans wouldn't?

magick

multiculturalism, really worked out for us so far....oh wait

bodice ripper

Paideia wrote: »

In 1700/1800s nearly the whole globe was controlled by western European superpowers and Russia. These people clearly have an oppressive power hungry gene in them.

I find that whites tend to carry the wum gene as well.

Paideia

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

lol will they really.

80% sounds about right for a balance.

would you have the reverse figures by any chance ?? - Diversity of non-European countries by non-native population.

I'd guess 20% non-native population will look astoundingly liberal from their point of view.

Yes non Europeans can have ethnically clean populations in their countries because they won't try and take over the world.

Wide Load

People are people at the end of the day. Beings from another universe though, don't get me started on them..

Hans Bricks

X amount of brown people equates to the advancement of civilization in Europe ?

Someone should tell those knuckle dragging French and Japanese ASAP.

ScumLord

The human population has always moved around, mixed, become isolated, mixed again.

It doesn't matter how far back in time you go humans have always travelled, migrated and mingled. Groups have become isolated down through the ages and developed their own way of doing things but once someone else comes along and shows an alternative better way (or just more interesting way) the indigenous population are going to take on the better way regardless of tradition.

I think nations now have an obligation to manage the flow of people due to the large volume of people that can travel these days, at the end of the day a nation needs to balance the books in a modern world and allowing people free movement means you just have no idea what's going on.

I really don't see any western democracy ever going down the road of starting a world war like what happened in the past. The good thing about democracy is that the people just won't stand for it. Normal people don't want war and that's been the case since time began, it's just that the management structures in the past have allowed nutcases to force nations into wars for selfish reasons. But the average person just wants a quiet life to raise their family.

Mantis1234

Paideia wrote: »

Yes non Europeans can have ethnically clean populations in their countries because they won't try and take over the world.

Someone failed history.

darkpagandeath

Look at our Neighbours, They sure are a beacon for multiculturalism aint they ?

Nodin

Paideia wrote: »

Thankfully America is also getting diluted. Obama has no plans to deport the 20 million illegal mestizo immigrants here which will aid us in making whites a non majority population in the US by 2050.

"getting diluted"? It's composed of people from all parts of the world, of differing religions, cultures etc, yet it still goes to war...

O wait, are you one of those people who confuses culture and race?

Amazingfun

Paideia wrote: »

We all know what happens when European countries start displaying nationalism so let's not forget what the root of the problem here is. There is no place in modern Europe for ethnically pure states. That was a 19th century idea and we are going to transition into the 21st century and we are going to do it with multi-ethnic states.

It is absolutely essential that diversity occurs in these regions. History has shown us that the Brits, Spaniards and more recently the Germans have oppressive warlike tendencies when they bunch together. Homogeneity can not take place in Europe ever again or else history will just repeat itself. Therefore all of Western Europe needs to get 'diluted' to keep the violent ways of these people and natural tribal instincts suppressed.

Yes you read that right, multiculturalism is a great thing.

Hmmmm Paideia is it? Nice name ya got there:

Paideia - The European Institute for Jewish Studies in Sweden is a non-denominational academic framework that was established in 2000 with funding from the Swedish government.
Dedicated to the revival of Jewish culture in Europe, Paideia educates leaders for Europe - academicians, artists and community activists - towards fluency in the Jewish textual sources that have served as the wellsprings of Jewish civilization

Is this you Barbra?

Nodin

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Look at our Neighbours, They sure are a beacon for multiculturalism aint they ?

Do please explain what you mean.....

Paideia

Nodin wrote: »

"getting diluted"? It's composed of people from all parts of the world, of differing religions, cultures etc, yet it still goes to war...

O wait, are you one of those people who confuses culture and race?

That's why whites are still the majority population. America is not diverse enough yet, but is on track. So hence it's nationalist 'patriotic' ways are still around.

Nationalism can only occur in groups bounded by blood. When Germany started practicing racial purity and eugenics they took over Europe within 3 years. If they weren't stopped they would have become a 'super race' and taken over the world.

And btw RACE creates CULTURE I think you are the one who is confused.

darkpagandeath

Nodin wrote: »

Do please explain what you mean.....

Religious hatred, bigots, Incitement to violence. Due mostly to lack of integration of communities. White on black, Black on white, Asian on black, Asian on white. Communities completely failing to interact effectively with each other. Sexual violence, Human trafficking. list is endless.

ScumLord

Paideia wrote: »

Nationalism can only occur in groups bounded by blood. When Germany started practicing racial purity and eugenics they took over Europe within 3 years. If they weren't stopped they would have become a 'super race' and taken over the world.

I doubt that, the only reason WW2 was fought to the bitter end was because of the lunatics in charge. The German military were constantly advising hitler to stop expanding but he wouldn't listen. Without hitler the war may not have happened (probably would but it's hard to say), but if it did happen it probably would have ended much sooner and Germany probably would be a much bigger nation today as it would have simply consolidated its gains and left it at that.

The good thing about that war is that every person on this planet knows what a modern war is like, no one wants a war like that again. It forced us all to find ways of getting along because the alternative is to horrific.

twinytwo

Paideia wrote: »

We all know what happens when European countries start displaying nationalism so let's not forget what the root of the problem here is. There is no place in modern Europe for ethnically pure states. That was a 19th century idea and we are going to transition into the 21st century and we are going to do it with multi-ethnic states.

It is absolutely essential that diversity occurs in these regions. History has shown us that the Brits, Spaniards and more recently the Germans have oppressive warlike tendencies when they bunch together. Homogeneity can not take place in Europe ever again or else history will just repeat itself. Therefore all of Western Europe needs to get 'diluted' to keep the violent ways of these people and natural tribal instincts suppressed.

Yes you read that right, multiculturalism is a great thing.

except.... multiculturalism does not work, never has never will.

..... so.....ya?

twinytwo

ScumLord wrote: »

I doubt that, the only reason WW2 was fought to the bitter end was because of the lunatics in charge. The German military were constantly advising hitler to stop expanding but he wouldn't listen. Without hitler the war may not have happened (probably would but it's hard to say), but if it did happen it probably would have ended much sooner and Germany probably would be a much bigger nation today as it would have simply consolidated its gains and left it at that.

The good thing about that war is that every person on this planet knows what a modern war is like, no one wants a war like that again. It forced us all to find ways of getting along because the alternative is to horrific.

I think American nuking japan is what is preventing modern war.. everyone knows is a no win situation

twinytwo

Paideia wrote: »

That's why whites are still the majority population. America is not diverse enough yet, but is on track. So hence it's nationalist 'patriotic' ways are still around.

Nationalism can only occur in groups bounded by blood. When Germany started practicing racial purity and eugenics they took over Europe within 3 years. If they weren't stopped they would have become a 'super race' and taken over the world.

And btw RACE creates CULTURE I think you are the one who is confused.

hahahahahahahahahahaha, thats a good one alright:rolleyes:

Paideia

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Religious hatred, bigots, Incitement to violence. Due mostly to lack of integration of communities. White on black, Black on white, Asian on black, Asian on white. Communities completely failing to interact effectively with each other. Sexual violence, Human trafficking. list is endless.

That is why humans still display tribal instincts. By promoting "anti-racism", "tolerance" and "diversity" campaigns these old ways of thinking can be put to rest and then communities can begin to interact.

ScumLord

twinytwo wrote: »

except.... multiculturalism does not work, never has never will.

..... so.....ya?

Multiculturalism has always worked. All the greatest empires and civilizations in history have been multicultural by default. Isolation means being left behind.

twinytwo wrote: »

I think American nuking japan is what is preventing modern war.. everyone knows is a no win situation

Ya, but even without the bomb everything else that happened was brutal enough. The bomb is instantaneous, the real horror is the years of war that preceded it.

Boring username

This is hilarious stuff.

First paragraph: "Everybody do more to welcome diversity and multicultural society!"

Paragraph two: "All Brits, Spaniards, and Germans are warlords!"

Yeah...........we can that racism around here, op. Epic fail.

The Diabolical Monocle

Boring username wrote: »

This is hilarious stuff.

First paragraph: "Everybody do more to welcome diversity and multicultural society!"

Paragraph two: "All Brits, Spaniards, and Germans are warlords!"

Yeah...........we can that racism around here, op. Epic fail.

well he was told to try harder ...

Nodin

Paideia wrote: »

That's why whites are still the majority population. America is not diverse enough yet, but is on track. So hence it's nationalist 'patriotic' ways are still around. ..

Yeah.....Are Italians, Russians, Jews and Spaniards now considered "white" in your guidebook?

Paideia wrote: »

Nationalism can only occur in groups bounded by blood. When Germany started practicing racial purity and eugenics they took over Europe within 3 years. If they weren't stopped they would have become a 'super race' and taken over the world..

Load of shite.

Paideia wrote: »

And btw RACE creates CULTURE I think you are the one who is confused.

How does race create culture, exactly?

Nodin

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Religious hatred, bigots, Incitement to violence. .

Jaysus.............................Good thing we never had that kind of thing here.

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Due mostly to lack of integration of communities. White on black, Black on white, Asian on black, Asian on white. Communities completely failing to interact effectively with each other. Sexual violence, Human trafficking. list is endless.

There's no sexual violence in Ireland? no human trafficking?

Pompey Magnus

ScumLord wrote: »

Multiculturalism has always worked. All the greatest empires and civilizations in history have been multicultural by default.

What empires are you thinking of? Empires such as the Roman Empire or the Empire of Alexander of Macedon and it's successor states were certainly multi-ethnic but these various ethnic groups were more or less united under a Hellenic or Helleno-Roman culture.

The reason they were great was because many people recognised that this culture was superior to their own indigenous culture, and thus we had Britons bathing in Roman style baths and Greek gymnasia in Afghanistan.

The Roman's in fairness did give multiculturalism a go under Emperor Elagabalus, but he soon was left in no doubt that they weren't terribly impressed.

Wide Load

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Religious hatred, bigots, Incitement to violence. Due mostly to lack of integration of communities. White on black, Black on white, Asian on black, Asian on white. Communities completely failing to interact effectively with each other. Sexual violence, Human trafficking. list is endless.

You're talking about the Uk yeah? I lived over there for years, neighbours were Asian, black, white and we all got on great. One of the nicest places I've ever lived never once saw anything that you are talking about, not to say it doesn't happen, I'm sure it does but not to the the extent you are making out.

The UK is probably the best place to point to when claiming that multiculturalism works imo.

bnt

Multiculturalism (and its little sister Diversity) would be fine, if that was what was happening - but in practice you get pockets of isolated monoculturalism. The canonical example is the Pakistani community in Leeds / Bradford in the north of England. They are so closed-off that young people are expected to marry within the extended family, which often means importing a cousin from Pakistan. The high incidence of birth defects in Bradford is not a coincidence, but it's either that or risk an "honour killing". :mad:

ScumLord

Pompey Magnus wrote: »

What empires are you thinking of? Empires such as the Roman Empire or the Empire of Alexander of Macedon and it's successor states were certainly multi-ethnic but these various ethnic groups were more or less united under a Hellenic or Helleno-Roman culture.

As people today are united under the global society and economy.

T

he reason they were great was because many people recognised that this culture was superior to their own indigenous culture, and thus we had Britons bathing in Roman style baths and Greek gymnasia in Afghanistan.

Again just like the global economy, we don't make cars, or TVs, we didn't create any new music scenes recently, the vast majority of our culture is imported. Just like most countries today.

Having access to a lot of different cultures means rapid development. In the early days of the Roman state, everyone was welcome because they needed the technology and culture from people all over Europe, the Romans were swamp people before they had their multicultural explosion.

Same happened to the Americans, they imported culture from all over the world and if they didn't they'd be nothing more than a few hillbillies living in the mountains.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Paideia wrote: »

That is why humans still display tribal instincts. By promoting "anti-racism", "tolerance" and "diversity" campaigns these old ways of thinking can be put to rest and then communities can begin to interact.

How do you alter human nature?

bb1234567

Paideia wrote: »

We all know what happens when European countries start displaying nationalism so let's not forget what the root of the problem here is. There is no place in modern Europe for ethnically pure states. That was a 19th century idea and we are going to transition into the 21st century and we are going to do it with multi-ethnic states.

It is absolutely essential that diversity occurs in these regions. History has shown us that the Brits, Spaniards and more recently the Germans have oppressive warlike tendencies when they bunch together. Homogeneity can not take place in Europe ever again or else history will just repeat itself. Therefore all of Western Europe needs to get 'diluted' to keep the violent ways of these people and natural tribal instincts suppressed.

Yes you read that right, multiculturalism is a great thing.

What BS. Multiculturalism like this can only go on for so long or else western europe will be no longer any way european apart from its location. And these immigrants come here and eventually identify as spanish, italian, irish etc so eventually we will just have an integrated community of people of colour who identify as irish and probably don't practise much culture from 'home'
Do you think war/nationalism won't occur in europe again because large percentages of the population aren't ethnically european?