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"New" revolver for the collection

  • 27-02-2015 5:06pm
    #1
    harmoniums
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 533 ✭✭✭


    I've kinda slowed down on collecting Irish stuff over the last year and spent a lot more time shooting and reloading, but I couldn't pass this one up.
    Bought it quietly, wife found it in the safe, bates (the bad kind) were administered.

    Webley #5 Army express, sold by Trulock and Harris In Dublin on Dawson Street.
    Chambered in 45 Long Colt or 455 Webley, I've shot it and its a lot of fun!

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    You might recall this scene from Silverado where Kevin Kline buys a ratty one quickly to shoot a horse thief

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mAO3eeRP84


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  • #2
    BrownTrout
    Closed Accounts Posts: 216 ✭✭BrownTrout


    Just out of curiosity, how does one license a revolver? Does being a member of a target range count as a legit reason for your FAC? Will the guards license it even though it's a centre fire pistol?


  • #3
    OU812
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,088 ✭✭✭OU812


    Not a licensed shooter or anything but have a passing interest in such things. The history of the gun fascinates me more than the actual firearm. Do you know the history of it? Age/Previous owners/usage etc ?


  • #4
    Witcher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,812 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    BrownTrout wrote: »
    Just out of curiosity, how does one license a revolver? Does being a member of a target range count as a legit reason for your FAC? Will the guards license it even though it's a centre fire pistol?

    You have to be a member of a range and you can only licence 5 shot .22 pistols now. No new centrefire licences.


  • #5
    meathstevie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,777 ✭✭✭meathstevie


    BrownTrout wrote: »
    Just out of curiosity, how does one license a revolver? Does being a member of a target range count as a legit reason for your FAC? Will the guards license it even though it's a centre fire pistol?

    Harmoniums is in the US I believe.


  • #6
    Grizzly 45
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,134 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    He proably has a better collection than most Irish museuems of Irish historical guns and guns made or sold in Ireland.Man ought to be commended for his appreciation and zest for saving Irish firearms.:)

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



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  • #7
    harmoniums
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 533 ✭✭✭harmoniums


    meathstevie wrote: »
    Harmoniums is in the US I believe.

    Correct.

    BTW, this revolver was made before Jan 1st 1899 and as such is not considered a firearm that needs paperwork.

    I walked into the auction house, paid my money and walked out with it, didn't even show them my ID, and this was in California!

    Sometimes they ask for ID for antiques like these, sometimes they even want to do a full background check just to make sure your not a crazy.
    In cases like that I show them my CCW licence and they usually seem satisfied.


  • #8
    harmoniums
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 533 ✭✭✭harmoniums


    OU812 wrote: »
    Not a licensed shooter or anything but have a passing interest in such things. The history of the gun fascinates me more than the actual firearm. Do you know the history of it? Age/Previous owners/usage etc ?

    I can contact webley and find out when they shipped it to Dublin and if it was a specific customer order, but I dont think I can get the Trulock and Harris records
    Heres a period advertisment for this revolver

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  • #9
    OU812
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,088 ✭✭✭OU812


    Unbelievable that this firearm is over 100 years old and may have seen action in 1916/1922 here.


  • #10
    philmire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭philmire


    Just wondering up to what year was the sale of revolvers legal in Ireland and what year did they stop lovely looking gun and would be nice to track down who bought it weather it was the police of the time or for military use


  • #11
    meathstevie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,777 ✭✭✭meathstevie


    OU812 wrote: »
    Unbelievable that this firearm is over 100 years old and may have seen action in 1916/1922 here.

    Hypothetically speaking it could have been in the holster of Majoor John McBride of the Irish Brigade in the army of the Transvaal Republiek in the Boer War at Colenso or Ladysmith....The gun dates back from that era and it looks an absolute minter.

    Harmoniums, can you still get suitable Long Colt ammo for it or is it a reloading job with old style propellant etc etc ?


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  • #12
    meathstevie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,777 ✭✭✭meathstevie


    philmire wrote: »
    Just wondering up to what year was the sale of revolvers legal in Ireland and what year did they stop lovely looking gun and would be nice to track down who bought it weather it was the police of the time or for military use

    The sale of revolvers has never been illegal, not even today. The licencing and possession is a different kettle of fish.

    Since independence to 1972 I believe it was quite straightforward to licence revolvers. From 1972 till mid 2000's impossible to licence unless you were one of the few civilians who would have been permitted by the DoJ to carry one for personal protection and since 2008 impossible for anything but rimfire in case of new applications.


  • #13
    harmoniums
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 533 ✭✭✭harmoniums


    meathstevie wrote: »
    Hypothetically speaking it could have been in the holster of Majoor John McBride of the Irish Brigade in the army of the Transvaal Republiek in the Boer War at Colenso or Ladysmith....The gun dates back from that era and it looks an absolute minter.

    Harmoniums, can you still get suitable Long Colt ammo for it or is it a reloading job with old style propellant etc etc ?

    I reload a lot myself and have black powder rounds made up for it in 45 Long Colt, I have easy access to lead bullets, black powder and caseshere.

    You can buy commercial rounds online, but they are expensive and honestly I trust mine more when it comes to shooting historical pieces.

    Some folks use light (3-4 grains) of smokeless loads in these, but theres no garauntee that they would hold up to the quicker pressure spike, no point in takin the chance on an fairly expensive gun

    If any of you guys are ever over in southern california, look me up, we can go to the range and shoot a bunch.


  • #14
    OU812
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,088 ✭✭✭OU812


    harmoniums wrote: »

    If any of you guys are ever over in southern california, look me up, we can go to the range and shoot a bunch.

    Sigh... I'm only back :(


  • #15
    black powder colt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92 ✭✭black powder colt


    harmoniums wrote: »
    Correct.

    BTW, this revolver was made before Jan 1st 1899 and as such is not considered a firearm that needs paperwork.

    I walked into the auction house, paid my money and walked out with it, didn't even show them my ID, and this was in California!

    Sometimes they ask for ID for antiques like these, sometimes they even want to do a full background check just to make sure your not a crazy.
    In cases like that I show them my CCW licence and they usually seem satisfied.
    Does that mean you could carry it around in your pocket without any paper work in a public place and can you just walk into shop and buy ammo like a can of beans


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