Navan at night - feral thugs on the loose (Mod note: Post #33)

curioser

Just a wee warning to be careful on the streets of Navan these days/nights.

Left a pub with a friend on Trimgate Street last around 10.30 and was immediately approached by a thug looking for "a euro" he needed to get to Dunshaughlin.

Ignored the f*cker and crossed the street to be approached by his mate, while #1 was still mouthing.

Luckily the car was nearby and we managed to get in while thug #2 tried to get up close and personal. The driver had to engage the central locking and take off while we were putting on our seatbelts while yer man's face was still nearly glued to the window.

If you are on the streets of Navan at night be on the lookout and if you see a tool in a hoodie approach you, dive into the nearest premises.

There are laws on defamation so suffice to say if you are familiar with the town and are asked to name the family involved, one guess will sufice.

Slippin Jimmy

I bet I could guess who it was. It's the same handful of lads that always cause the trouble and make people feel uneasy going about their business. Don't know why they needed a euro to get to dunshaughlin when they have free travel courtesy of the taxpayer. Absolute scum.

curioser

Duffff-Man wrote: »

I bet I could guess who it was. It's the same handful of lads that always cause the trouble and make people feel uneasy going about their business. Don't know why they needed a euro to get to dunshaughlin when they have free travel courtesy of the taxpayer. Absolute scum.

Doesn't begin to describe them. Naturally they were going nowhere near Dunshaughlin - just an opening salvo in the lead up to an attempted mugging.

chewed

Duffff-Man wrote: »

I bet I could guess who it was. It's the same handful of lads that always cause the trouble and make people feel uneasy going about their business. Don't know why they needed a euro to get to dunshaughlin when they have free travel courtesy of the taxpayer. Absolute scum.

Free Travel? How would they have free travel?

Slippin Jimmy

chewed wrote: »

Free Travel? How would they have free travel?

No doubt they are on a certain substance and are unwell. Our kind goverment gives them a medical card to pay for their treatment and thus also receive free travel.

niallam

Duffff-Man wrote: »

No doubt they are on a certain substance and are unwell. Our kind goverment gives them a medical card to pay for their treatment and thus also receive free travel.

Free travel with a medical card???

Anyway, I've not encountered anything similar in my travels out in Navan but maybe I'm not the sort of person they'd approach even if I'm on my own.

Slippin Jimmy

niallam wrote: »

Free travel with a medical card???

Anyway, I've not encountered anything similar in my travels out in Navan but maybe I'm not the sort of person they'd approach even if I'm on my own.

Once you've a medical card you are "entitled" to a free travel pass.

niallam

Duffff-Man wrote: »

Once you've a medical card you are "entitled" to a free travel pass.

Not even close to being true...

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/extra_social_welfare_benefits/free_travel.html

Dashticle

curioser wrote: »

Left a pub with a friend on Trimgate Street last around 10.30 and was immediately approached by a thug looking for "a euro" he needed to get to Dunshaughlin.

Ignored the f*cker and crossed the street to be approached by his mate, while #1 was still mouthing.

Luckily the car was nearby and we managed to get in while thug #2 tried to get up close and personal. The driver had to engage the central locking and take off while we were putting on our seatbelts while yer man's face was still nearly glued to the window.

If you are on the streets of Navan at night be on the lookout and if you see a tool in a hoodie approach you, dive into the nearest premises.

You were rude to a homeless heroin user and got scared and peeled off in your car when his mate came near you.

Sorry it's not my business but the OP just drips so much contempt and then the guy here frothing at the mouth over 'entitled medical card free travel abusers' just makes me a bit sick to read to be honest.

e: Not saying OP didn't do the right thing, I wasn't there and don't know the situation,it could have been a mugging. But sometimes I see people being proper pricks to junkies for no reason, then are indignant about getting started on... it's like, those poeple have nothing left to lose, being a **** to them for no reason of course will start trouble with them. How hard is it just to say 'no' and stroll off anyway.

Slippin Jimmy

Dashticle wrote: »

You were rude to a homeless heroin user and got scared and peeled off in your car when his mate came near you.

Sorry it's not my business but the OP just drips so much contempt and then the guy here frothing at the mouth over 'entitled medical card free travel abusers' just makes me a bit sick to read to be honest.

How do you know he was homeless? It is a self inflicted illness and they get rewarded for it. Navan has been crawling with the same ****ers for years that are always causing trouble. Nothing is ever done about them. They are scum of the earth.

Also I may have gotten it slightly wrong with the medical card. It depends what type of benefits and circumstances they are getting. But most will fall somewhere in that category.

Dashticle

Duffff-Man wrote: »

How do you know he was homeless? It is a self inflicted illness and they get rewarded for it. Navan has been crawling with the same ****ers for years that are always causing trouble. Nothing is ever done about them. They are scum of the earth.

Also I may have gotten it slightly wrong with the medical card. It depends what type of benefits and circumstances they are getting. But most will fall somewhere in that category.

You're right I don't know he was homeless only from the implication at the end he was an addict. But for the rest:

Would you like to see people with lung cancer from smoking or that get mangled in car crashes die with no help too? Plenty of afflictions could be called 'self-inflicted' but as a compassionate society we help out with people who fall ill because thats what a decent society does. Sometimes those people we help are not nice people but that's life and its better than the alternative like imo: Would you rather be living in America say where if you need to go to hospital for any reason you end up bankrupting your whole family or else blowing all your savings for years, people there accept this in preference of the idea that go forbid some of their taxes go to people they don't know/don't think they deserve it.

It's laughable that you think getting welfare is a 'reward' any more than it is just enough to barely keep yourself alive for many, many people.

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Slippin Jimmy

Dashticle wrote: »

You're right I don't know he was homeless only from the implication at the end he was an addict. But for the rest:

Would you like to see people with lung cancer from smoking or that get mangled in car crashes die with no help too? Plenty of afflictions could be called 'self-inflicted' but as a compassionate society we help out with people who fall ill because thats what a decent society does. Sometimes those people we help are not nice people but that's life and its better than the alternative like imo: Would you rather be living in America say where if you need to go to hospital for any reason you end up bankrupting your whole family or else blowing all your savings for years, people there accept this in preference of the idea that go forbid some of their taxes go to people they don't know/don't think they deserve it.

It's laughable that you think getting welfare is a 'reward' any more than it is just enough to barely keep yourself alive for many, many people.

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It is to those scumbags. They get whatever a week, plus all the euros people give them, plus what they steal.

You should be able to go about your business without any hassle. Do you think it's acceptable for them to intimidate the op and their friend? If the op decided to ignore them that is their choice, but they shouldn't act like thugs because they didn't get what they wanted.

Dashticle

Duffff-Man wrote: »

It is to those scumbags. They get whatever a week, plus all the euros people give them, plus what they steal.

You should be able to go about your business without any hassle. Do you think it's acceptable for them to intimidate the op and their friend? If the op decided to ignore them that is their choice, but they shouldn't act like thugs because they didn't get what they wanted.

It's your lack of education and compassion for medical card holders that got me to reply more than anything man. Reading that combined with what's written in the OP just reminded me how much that holier-than thou sense of superiority annoys me and how many times I've seen someone with it provoke unnecessary conforontations with homeless people/junkies/drunks for giving them the cold shoulder +a disgusted look for their trouble after being asked for a few cents or whatever bull****.

chrysagon

and no mention of the Gardai being informed?
im not saying they would do anything, but.............

ScottStorm

Dashticle wrote: »

It's your lack of education and compassion for medical card holders that got me to reply more than anything man. Reading that combined with what's written in the OP just reminded me how much that holier-than thou sense of superiority annoys me and how many times I've seen someone with it provoke unnecessary conforontations with homeless people/junkies/drunks for giving them the cold shoulder +a disgusted look for their trouble after being asked for a few cents or whatever bull****.

I'm sure your high horse would have served you well as you reached into your purse for a few euros to see him safely home.

curioser

Dashticle wrote: »

You were rude to a homeless heroin user and got scared and peeled off in your car when his mate came near you.

Sorry it's not my business but the OP just drips so much contempt and then the guy here frothing at the mouth over 'entitled medical card free travel abusers' just makes me a bit sick to read to be honest.

e: Not saying OP didn't do the right thing, I wasn't there and don't know the situation,it could have been a mugging. But sometimes I see people being proper pricks to junkies for no reason, then are indignant about getting started on... it's like, those poeple have nothing left to lose, being a **** to them for no reason of course will start trouble with them. How hard is it just to say 'no' and stroll off anyway.

I didn't say he was homeless or a heroin user. We did say No and walked away, across the road - it was a two man operation, they anticipated that we might cross the road and the second f***er was over there. Luckily we were near the car.
This is a regular gig for this crowd (family) and it is as well that folk be aware of the danger.

bladespin

Seen this before several times and it's always the same crowd, they lurk close to the bus-stop so they catch anyone who uses the BOI or AIB atms. They're all well known around the town and at least one certainly is an 'addict' though that's no excuse. I'm not sure about muggings, I haven't heard of any, but it could definitely be described as aggressive begging, one comes over looking for a euro, gets highly offended when politely refused so the other wades in to defend his offended mate, chastises their target and the 'target will often hand over just to be rid of the situation, they will follow too, I've seen this backfire on them as well

chrysagon

are these guys foreigners?

bladespin

chrysagon wrote: »

are these guys foreigners?

Anything but.

CJ Haughey

Gardai reserves could be asked to patrol the streets.

bladespin

CJ Haughey wrote: »

Gardai reserves could be asked to patrol the streets.

The gardai patrol this location regularly, there's very little they can do as there is no real offence being committed as such.

chrysagon

bladespin wrote: »

Anything but.

ah right sorry, i friend of mine told me she was approached before at the bustop frpm teenage eastern europeans..

Dashticle

curioser wrote: »

I didn't say he was homeless or a heroin user. We did say No and walked away, across the road - it was a two man operation, they anticipated that we might cross the road and the second f***er was over there. Luckily we were near the car.
This is a regular gig for this crowd (family) and it is as well that folk be aware of the danger.

Fair enough then, just something about reading the meidcal card rant made me feel like you had a bad attitude towards the guy asking (I know you didn't write it but anyways) and read too much into you saying you ignored him.

I'm sure your high horse would have served you well as you reached into your purse for a few euros to see him safely home.

It might surprise you but theres a lot of middle ground between being a doormat and being a ****, I'm just of the opinion that it's good to not be a **** as much as possible, ymmv

lukesmom

I know exactly what and who you are speaking about OP. They always try and intimidate people at the bus stop and around that general area. The gardai can't do a whole lot. Amount of suspended sentences they receive is laughable. *snip* they think they're incincible. Vigil anti group to exterminate them would be fantastic.

curioser

lukesmom wrote: »

I know exactly what and who you are speaking about OP. They always try and intimidate people at the bus stop and around that general area. The gardai can't do a whole lot. Amount of suspended sentences they receive is laughable. *snip* they think they're incincible. Vigil anti group to exterminate them would be fantastic.

Spot on!

Barney224

Unfortunately we need to look at zero tolerance in this country *snip*! I certainly don't want a police state (similar to what's happening in the US), but the Gards need more power to clean up our streets and make it safer for law abiding citizens to go about their business.

daUbiq

Why not go back down with ten of your mates and teach them a lesson?

lukesmom

daUbiq wrote: »

Why not go back down with ten of your mates and teach them a lesson?

In all fairness the certain people the op is speaking about are animals. They would think nothing about breaking into your house and ****ting in your kitchen presses. (They have!). They need to be put into the back of a van and brought up the Wicklow mountains and left there.

chrysagon

oristown bog is closer!

martinr5232

chrysagon wrote:

oristown bog is closer!

Yeah but the cops are always digging that up 😊

chrysagon

u have to dig deeper

but on a serious note. last weekend there was a small group of foreigners having a right bust up just off market sq Saturday night,, seemly kicked out of local night club, and no sign of the law..

Slippin Jimmy

chrysagon wrote: »

u have to dig deeper

but on a serious note. last weekend there was a small group of foreigners having a right bust up just off market sq Saturday night,, seemly kicked out of local night club, and no sign of the law..

There's always fights at chucking out time.

cournioni

Mod: Everybody, please keep within the rules on this thread. There have been instances on here where posters have been hinting at names of possible culprits, this will not be tolerated and any more of it will result in infractions or bans.

markc2951

Dont know the situation but if you stand your ground stand tall and look him in the eye you might be better off than flagging down the first car you see..

niallam

markc2951 wrote: »

Dont know the situation but if you stand your ground stand tall and look him in the eye you might be better off than flagging down the first car you see..

That advice is likely to get you beaten in this situations, you're not dealing with a dog although you'd treat a dog with more respect than these people...
This isn't 1 chap, they aren't nice people and they're not afraid of a bit of violence.

In a different situation standing tall can work, the average person is afraid of violence and unless fairly drunk will back down if really challenged.
I'm 6'8" so I tend not to be approached by many such people at night even when walking on my own. I've seen these lads when I do be out but never had any problem with them.

lukesmom

markc2951 wrote: »

Dont know the situation but if you stand your ground stand tall and look him in the eye you might be better off than flagging down the first car you see..

They would love that. Give them an opportunity to glass or stab you.

bladespin

Are there really that many stabbings in town? Have rarely heard of such. Didn't happen when I told them go **** his ******.

These "people" rely on your fear and intimidation to get by, don't give them an easy pass, not advising having a go but don't cower either.

NufcNavan

Just an update on the activities of members of this certain family.

My Father was squared up to and threatened while leaving the bank in town earlier. Now fortunately my Father is well able to stand up for himself and the individual was not long in doing a runner, but it is sad that this sort of thing is happening in broad daylight in our town. The individual was high as fcuk on something and no doubt moved onto someone else to try and get a source for his fix.

chewed

When you say "squared up to and threatened", what do you mean? Was it an attempted mugging or just aggressive begging? There is a huge difference!

ScottStorm

chewed wrote: »

There is a huge difference!

Not really, blocking somebody's means of escape and aggressively begging is akin to mugging to those easily intimidated.

lukesmom

chewed wrote: »

When you say "squared up to and threatened", what do you mean? Was it an attempted mugging or just aggressive begging? There is a huge difference!

I took that he meant he was squared up to and threatened, it's pretty clear.

NufcNavan

chewed wrote: »

When you say "squared up to and threatened", what do you mean? Was it an attempted mugging or just aggressive begging? There is a huge difference!

Well he seen him come out of the bank with a bag in his hand and he not so politely asked him to hand over the cash. Not sure where the huge difference is.

marketty

I can't remember the last time I saw guards walking the beat in Navan, the main street and square are plagued with junkies and beggars and not a guard in sight

ScottStorm

marketty wrote: »

I can't remember the last time I saw guards walking the beat in Navan, the main street and square are plagued with junkies and beggars and not a guard in sight

In fairness, they do walk the beat. There's just not many of them.

And a plague of junkies and beggars is overstating the problem a tad.

The town has always had its share of drunk losers going from pub to bookies only breaking the loop for the occasional fight.

I guess it's a sign of the times that we have added junkies and beggars to the mix. Not sure there is much anyone can legally do about it. People would have to make them feel unwelcome with a lot more than just dirty looks.

bladespin

NufcNavan wrote: »

Well he seen him come out of the bank with a bag in his hand and he not so politely asked him to hand over the cash. Not sure where the huge difference is.

Difference is very clear, a mugging involves physical activity and/or verbal threats - demanding with menace.

marketty wrote: »

I can't remember the last time I saw guards walking the beat in Navan, the main street and square are plagued with junkies and beggars and not a guard in sight

Saw two out and about last Saturday evening, tbh they often out it's just that there aren't enough.

Think the dramatics are in full effect there, was in town this evening and not a sinner to be seen around the square - junkie or otherwise, Saturday evening was in Apache and none about then either.

NufcNavan

bladespin wrote: »

Difference is very clear, a mugging involves physical activity and/or verbal threats - demanding with menace.

Which is what happened.

bladespin

What did the gardai say when he reported it?

chrysagon

I was just reading the local paper, the amount of break ins to houses etc is unreal, and how brazen these cowards are, yet I never read of any detections, or anyone prosecuted for these robberies, I just wonder what the actual detection rates are in Navan and its hinterland, and I mean the real figures, not the usual massaged ones!

my friend

chrysagon wrote: »

I was just reading the local paper, the amount of break ins to houses etc is unreal, and how brazen these cowards are, yet I never read of any detections, or anyone prosecuted for these robberies, I just wonder what the actual detection rates are in Navan and its hinterland, and I mean the real figures, not the usual massaged ones!

there is no downside to being a thief in Ireland, there are no consequences.

as a result its open season on decent citizens.

JJJJNR

lukesmom wrote: »

In all fairness the certain people the op is speaking about are animals. They would think nothing about breaking into your house and ****ting in your kitchen presses. (They have!). They need to be put into the back of a van and brought up the Wicklow mountains and left there.

Ah here we have enough of our own ..! without taking yours..!

bladespin

chrysagon wrote: »

I was just reading the local paper, the amount of break ins to houses etc is unreal, and how brazen these cowards are, yet I never read of any detections, or anyone prosecuted for these robberies, I just wonder what the actual detection rates are in Navan and its hinterland, and I mean the real figures, not the usual massaged ones!

Meath crime prevention FB page is good for news on things like this, fairly serious arrest in Slane recently.