9 Killed in Czech Restaurant Shooting

wretcheddomain

Just in now from RTE...

Underground

A lone gunman apparently. I'd imagine he's quite a religious bloke.

wretcheddomain

Reports just in that the gunman has now been killed.

jamesbere

F**k sake not another one.

KungPao

wretcheddomain wrote: »

Reports just in that the gunman has now been killed.

So, he Czeched out?

*groans*

Gone Drinking

I was in the country last week, not massively far away from that area (maybe an hour drive) at times. Something like this happening had crossed my mind. Crazy.

Sickening

Magico Gonzalez

KungPao wrote: »

So, he Czeched out?

*groans*

Never too soon for some is it.

Have a word with yourself, moron.

wretcheddomain

Underground wrote: »

A lone gunman apparently. I'd imagine he's quite a religious bloke.

Reports so far suggest it's a 60 year old local man.

kneemos

Underground wrote: »

A lone gunman apparently. I'd imagine he's quite a religious bloke.

That would be presumptuous.

G_R

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

Never too soon for some is it.

Have a word with yourself, moron.

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MsBubbles

How awful. WTF is going on in this world ? It seems like every week there's some kind of shooting

Wobbly_Legs

Was on a ski holiday in Czech two years ago, I was upstairs in the hotel room while two of the ski party were down in the hotel restaurant.
A heated argument broke out between the waiter and a few diners, the situation eventually diffused and those diners left.
The waiter then approached the two members of our ski party and started apologising profusely, he explained that the diners were not happy, were not going to pay the bill and threatened the waiter with a shooting;
he said this approach is common place.

This unnerved us quite a bit.

Underground

kneemos wrote: »

That would be presumptuous.

True, it is presumptuous. We'll wait for further details.

Koobcam

MsBubbles wrote: »

How awful. WTF is going on in this world ? It seems like every week there's some kind of shooting

True, though on the other hand, if you think of the number of people in this world and the number of guns and other weapons, it's kind of amazing that this kind of thing doesn't happen more often.

MsBubbles

Koobcam wrote: »

True, though on the other hand, if you think of the number of people in this world and the number of guns and other weapons, it's kind of amazing that this kind of thing doesn't happen more often.

Absolutely. I completely agree

Menas

Koobcam wrote: »

True, though on the other hand, if you think of the number of people in this world and the number of guns and other weapons, it's kind of amazing that this kind of thing doesn't happen more often.

It used to be the case that most of these mass shootings happened in america. People going postal.
But we see them now in europe too.
Time to move back to a cave away from people.

Macavity.

Shooter is in his sixties apparently. I find that very unusual as far as these attacks go.

RIP to the victims.

DarkyHughes

MsBubbles wrote: »

How awful. WTF is going on in this world ? It seems like every week there's some kind of shooting

It's actually died down a lot in Europe since the end of the Cold War & The Troubles.

Lawlesz

First I heard of this was when I logged on here a few minutes ago. Its only an hour down the road from where I live. Getting more and more frequent these days, the frightening thing is there is absolutely no way to stop this kind of thing (lone wolf loses the plot and starts shooting) from happening

MsBubbles

MsBubbles wrote: »

How awful. WTF is going on in this world ? It seems like every week there's some kind of shooting

Yeah it does seem like that just lately.

Arsemageddon

Trigger Happy wrote: »

It used to be the case that most of these mass shootings happened in america. People going postal.
But we see them now in europe too.
Time to move back to a cave away from people.

They've always happened in Europe, just not as frequently as in America.

syklops

Wobbly_Legs wrote: »

Was on a ski holiday in Czech two years ago, I was upstairs in the hotel room while two of the ski party were down in the hotel restaurant.
A heated argument broke out between the waiter and a few diners, the situation eventually diffused and those diners left.
The waiter then approached the two members of our ski party and started apologising profusely, he explained that the diners were not happy, were not going to pay the bill and threatened the waiter with a shooting;
he said this approach is common place.

This unnerved us quite a bit.

Gun ownership is quite high but I've never heard of people threatening to shoot waiters before. Descending into fisticuffs, yes absolutely, but not shootings.

BeerWolf

Probably over some petty dispute...

Few weeks ago in Turkey some fella pulled out an AK47 and shot dead a disabled person on crotches dead, and the police shot the gunman dead... reason ? Disabled person took his parking spot...

cerastes

MsBubbles wrote: »

How awful. WTF is going on in this world ? It seems like every week there's some kind of shooting

Theres plenty of things that happen that never make the news, enough to shock but not too unpalatable, dont want to upset people.

Trigger Happy wrote: »

It used to be the case that most of these mass shootings happened in america. People going postal.
But we see them now in europe too.
Time to move back to a cave away from people.

Why? are caves impervious to bullets? some kind of magic force field over the entrance?

Macavity. wrote: »

Shooter is in his sixties apparently. I find that very unusual as far as these attacks go.
RIP to the victims.

People are people, I dont see what his age has to do with it? maybe its more unusual, but its not like all old people are nice, this guy clearly isnt out of the werthers originals add?

The Diabolical Monocle

Underground wrote: »

True, it is presumptuous. We'll wait for further details.

Dont be too harsh on yourself. Theres pretty good odds your instincts will be shown to have been right.

Macavity.

cerastes wrote: »

People are people, I dont see what his age has to do with it? maybe its more unusual, but its not like all old people are nice, this guy clearly isnt out of the werthers originals add?

Well, initially the thought of it being a religiously motivated attack entered my head, and statistically the perpetrators of those attacks are generally men in their twenties/thirties. So it struck me as odd that he was so old.

Although it seems from recent updates that this was not a terrorist attack, so his age makes more sense.

wretcheddomain

It's not an Islamic extremist after all - that's the end of the discussion.

RIchieNouveau

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

Dont be too harsh on yourself. Theres pretty good odds your instincts will be shown to have been right.

It's been ruled out as a terrorist attack by the Czech authorities.

The Diabolical Monocle

huh. well ah'll be damned.

TheBeardedLady

wretcheddomain wrote: »

It's not an Islamic extremist after all - that's the end of the discussion.

Why?

jiltloop

BeerWolf wrote: »

Probably over some petty dispute...

Few weeks ago in Turkey some fella pulled out an AK47 and shot dead a disabled person on crotches dead, and the police shot the gunman dead... reason ? Disabled person took his parking spot...

Well that's what you get if you stand on people's crotches! Disabled or not.

Jake Rugby Walrus666

Guy's a fückin' interior decorator. Killed 16 Czechoslovakians.

jiltloop

Jake Rugby Walrus666 wrote: »

Guy's a ****in' interior decorator. Killed 16 Czechoslovakians.

No he didn't!

Manic Moran

It'll be interesting to see the repercussions on this, if any, and I doubt there will be many. It is easier to get a permit to carry a pistol in the Czech Republic than it is in the US. (The word "pistol" itself is Czech). For example, nobody living in Ireland can carry a gun on holiday in the US. You can in Czech Republic, though. People associate "gun culture" with the US, forgetting that European countries have one that is just as strong. The difference being, the Czechs have been a generally safe group of lads, with a low crime rate and no great history of such mass killings.

DavidRamsay99

25 shots and eight dead. The gunman seems to be a good shot. Two rounds in the body to take each one down and then a follow up in the head? I presume he must have some practice with firearms and some military training? If he is in his sixties as they say he probably was conscripted at some point in the past.

MonkeyTennis

Manic Moran wrote: »

It'll be interesting to see the repercussions on this, if any, and I doubt there will be many. It is easier to get a permit to carry a pistol in the Czech Republic than it is in the US. (The word "pistol" itself is Czech). For example, nobody living in Ireland can carry a gun on holiday in the US. You can in Czech Republic, though. People associate "gun culture" with the US, forgetting that European countries have one that is just as strong. The difference being, the Czechs have been a generally safe group of lads, with a low crime rate and no great history of such mass killings.

There are strict gun controls in the Czech Republic

BeerWolf

jiltloop wrote: »

Well that's what you get if you stand on people's crotches! Disabled or not.

lol... damn typo. I should learn to proof read before hitting post! >_<

I meant crutch :P

philstar

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

25 shots and eight dead. The gunman seems to be a good shot. Two rounds in the body to take each one down and then a follow up in the head? I presume he must have some practice with firearms and some military training? If he is in his sixties as they say he probably was conscripted at some point in the past.

ya great lad :rolleyes:

Desolation Of Smug

philstar wrote: »

ya great lad :rolleyes:

Well, you do get low-grade rampagers loosing off 250 shots and only hitting 5 people, so by the standards used to judge "effective postal-going", this lad is up there with "the best". The "best headcases", it has to be said, but still.

MadsL

jamesbere wrote: »

F**k sake not another one.

They are extremely rare in the Czech Republic.

MonkeyTennis wrote: »

There are strict gun controls in the Czech Republic

You'd want to do some reading there, and modify your definition of strict. It's a trivial matter to get a firearms licence in CZ. You don't even have to be Czech.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_Czech_Republic

DavidRamsay99

These mass shooting stories are just f*cking awful. I get sick in my stomach every time I hear about them.

Am waiting for people to use this to try to deflect attention from future Islamic jihadist attacks.

Based on what I know so far this does not appear to be anything religiously motivated.

Horrific story though......the world just seems to be going to sh*t these days

Egginacup

KungPao wrote: »

So, he Czeched out?

*groans*

Slo the Vak down for a minute

catallus

Jake Rugby Walrus666 wrote: »

Guy's a fückin' interior decorator. Killed 16 Czechoslovakians.

Really? But his house looked like shít!

Badabing

Egginacup

Deleted User wrote: »

Am waiting for people to use this to try to deflect attention from future Islamic jihadist attacks.

Based on what I know so far this does not appear to be anything religiously motivated.

Horrific story though......the world just seems to be going to sh*t these days

Hardly....midway through the last century we had 10's of millions slaughtered, displaced, maimed or gassed to death in the same length of time between World Cups. A little perspective, now.

cerastes

Jake Rugby Walrus666 wrote: »

Guy's a fückin' interior decorator. Killed 16 Czechoslovakians.

The Slovakians will need to be informed about this change.

Manic Moran wrote: »

It'll be interesting to see the repercussions on this, if any, and I doubt there will be many. It is easier to get a permit to carry a pistol in the Czech Republic than it is in the US. (The word "pistol" itself is Czech). For example, nobody living in Ireland can carry a gun on holiday in the US. You can in Czech Republic, though. People associate "gun culture" with the US, forgetting that European countries have one that is just as strong. The difference being, the Czechs have been a generally safe group of lads, with a low crime rate and no great history of such mass killings.

It is? I thought the word pistol came from an Italian word or town (pistola?)

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

25 shots and eight dead. The gunman seems to be a good shot. Two rounds in the body to take each one down and then a follow up in the head? I presume he must have some practice with firearms and some military training? If he is in his sixties as they say he probably was conscripted at some point in the past.

Was he? probably is for scared and running away victims, but I dont know the scenario, if he subdued them with fear and shot them at close range, maybe not so. I cant see anything about the disposition of the wounds? how are you coming up with that information? or is it just speculation?
Im more suprised it seems reported he did this solely with a pistol, Id have thought some other long arm would have been used.
At that age he may well have served in the then Warsaw pact forces of his country or possibly some other state force, not certain how you come up with the conscription bit either, while conscription did exist in those forces, it wasnt the only means of joining.

Omackeral

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

Never too soon for some is it.

Have a word with yourself, moron.

How is it too soon? He's slating the perpetrator of this. C*nt deserves no respect.

MonkeyTennis

MadsL wrote: »

They are extremely rare in the Czech Republic.



You'd want to do some reading there, and modify your definition of strict. It's a trivial matter to get a firearms licence in CZ. You don't even have to be Czech.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_Czech_Republic

My partner is Czech and her father is a cop. You need to have a really really good reason to have a gun. Its similar to here

syklops

MonkeyTennis wrote: »

There are strict gun controls in the Czech Republic

Define strict.

syklops

MonkeyTennis wrote: »

My partner is Czech and her father is a cop. You need to have a really really good reason to have a gun. Its similar to here

Er no, its not. Its really quite easy to get a gun.

You need to do a safety training course with an exam at the end. If you are not fluent in Czech you can elect to bring an authorized translator with you.

For a foreigner you must have the permanent residency permit(easy to get)
You must be over 21, and provide a medical note of competency(gotten from a GP, GP visit costs about 4 euros)
Police background check(also easy to get)

Once you pass your test and satisfy the legal requirements its off to the dealer you go. Its not like here where your application for a .22 can be rejected because the Guard dealing with it was in a bad mood.

In quite a bureaucratic country like Czech Republic, getting a gun license is surprisingly straightforward for a foreigner, and even more straightforward for a native.

MonkeyTennis

syklops wrote: »

Define strict.

In comparison with the US.

I have witnessed Czech Beaurocracy at first hand many times. They take stamping **** REALLY seriously