The Vladimir Putin appreciation thread.

Dohnjoe

Yup more on it from the BBC

"Mr Hrytsak alleged that Russian security services had recruited a Ukrainian citizen to find hitmen within the country. He said the citizen approached several acquaintances, including war veterans, offering $30,000 for the contract killing, one of whom revealed the plot to the security services."

Of course the Ukrainians are more than capable of their own propaganda, but yeah I would say this whole episode will infuriate the Kremlin. Getting outplayed.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Dohnjoe wrote: »

The Kremlin (and it's outlets) will now play this as "well if this was staged, what else is staged" and "you see, everything is a conspiracy against Russia"

Calling it now

A fair enough comment I would have thought.

That said I realise that there are some here who think the west never lies, engages in false flags, nor goes to war on anything but the most scrupulous of principles.

Franz Von Peppercorn

cnocbui wrote: »

Meh! Nothing compared with the pigs that fly around the Kremlin and up and down it's corridors.

You need to quit this Russiaphobia. There are courses, I believe.

Elmer Blooker

Dohnjoe wrote: »

from the BBC

"Mr Hrytsak alleged that Russian security services had recruited a Ukrainian citizen to find hitmen within the country. He said the citizen approached several acquaintances, including war veterans, offering $30,000 for the contract killing, one of whom revealed the plot to the security services."

:pac: Rent-a-hitman.com.
This is embarrassing.

Gatling

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

That said I realise that there are some here who think the west never lies, engages in false flags, nor goes to war on anything but the most scrupulous of principles.

But we're talking about Putin


Not bush ,Blair , Obama

Putin

paw patrol

mcmoustache wrote: »

I predict the usual - 4 or 5 alternative theories, none of which implicate Russia and a couple of false flag narratives.

did you guess right :pac:?

Gatling wrote: »

But we're talking about Putin


Not bush ,Blair , Obama

Putin

you must be totes upset your man is alive so you can't carry on your agenda.

Gatling

paw patrol wrote: »

did you guess right

Give your mammy back her phone







(Bloody kids )

Dohnjoe

Gatling wrote: »

But we're talking about Putin

But Hiroshima! the Iraq war! Dresden! the colonisation of the native Americans (I'm not joking, I've actually seen that brought up in a debate about Putin)

Anything critical of Putin must be deflected by bringing up some atrocity in history. That "defense" speaks volumes.

weisses

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Yeah .... and all the evidence can be found on social media!

Ahh Elmer ... try to keep up this time

Gringo180

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

:pac: Rent-a-hitman.com.
This is embarrassing.

Who swallows this ****e? Shure why didnt they rent a hitman to knock off the Skirpals

Gatling

Gringo180 wrote: »

Who swallows this ****e? Shure why didnt they rent a hitman to knock off the Skirpals

They hired a piss poor hitman who couldn't even get the job done even with deadly nerve agents.

Dohnjoe

Gringo180 wrote: »

Who swallows this ****e? Shure why didnt they rent a hitman to knock off the Skirpals

Clearly they were only poisoned with fish, in an inside job by the UK

Franz Von Peppercorn

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Clearly they were only poisoned with fish, in an inside job by the UK

It certainly wasn’t novichok. That’s all we can say right now.

This whole anti Putin frenzy is reminiscent of 1984. The book, not the year.

We should get you all in a room at 11 am to scream at images of Putin. 2 minutes hate.

cnocbui

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

It certainly wasn’t novichok. That’s all we can say right now.

This whole anti Putin frenzy is reminiscent of 1984. The book, not the year.

We should get you all in a room at 11 am to scream at images of Putin. 2 minutes hate.

That is pure trolling and is a blatant lie.

Elmer Blooker

weisses wrote: »

Ahh Elmer ... try to keep up this time

Do explain. Has any aviation disaster in the past relied on social media as evidence? Yes or no?

Dohnjoe

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

It certainly wasn’t novichok.

Dear OPCW,

While you may be the "so-called" world authority on nerve agents and chemical weapons, and that your results are separately "correlated" by DST Laboratory in Porton Down. It is hereby and forthwith my expert and completely objective opinion that it certainly wasn't Novichok, because like come on, no way, and stuff

signed

-the Putin internet support club

zom

Another murdered by Russians found safe and well afterwards:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/30/arkady-babchenko-reveals-he-faked-his-death-to-thwart-moscow-plot

Putin's agents are pretty useless in killing people...

Franz Von Peppercorn

cnocbui wrote: »

That is pure trolling and is a blatant lie.

novichok would kill instantly and without fail. So we are told.

The only thing you know about this is what you were told to believe of course. For the more rational the whole shambles of a false flag gets even less believable.

Who knows, maybe the Ukrainians did it.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Dear OPCW,

While you may be the "so-called" world authority on nerve agents and chemical weapons, and that your results are separately "correlated" by DST Laboratory in Porton Down. It is hereby and forthwith my expert and completely objective opinion that it certainly wasn't Novichok, because like come on, no way, and stuff

signed

-the Putin internet support club

Dear Dohnjoe.

Novichok Kills instantly. Or so we are told.

Signed

Rational thinkers.

Skylinehead

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Dear Dohnjoe.

Novichok Kills instantly. Or so we are told.

Signed

Rational thinkers.

Tell the OPCW that, not Dohnjoe. You seem to be an expert with these revelations.

Franz Von Peppercorn

zom wrote: »

Another murdered by Russians found safe and well afterwards:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/30/arkady-babchenko-reveals-he-faked-his-death-to-thwart-moscow-plot

Putin's agents are pretty useless in killing people...

Yes, amateurs. But they definitely poisoned the skirpals who are now kept safely in detention in the U.K. and producing the odd very odd message. For their own safety.

The whole McCarthyism of the pseudo left (and the far right airsoft fellow travellers) continues to amuse. Shouting putinbot isn’t that much of an argument, but it’s all they got.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Nixonbot wrote: »

Tell the OPCW that, not Dohnjoe. You seem to be an expert with these revelations.

I am no more an expert than anybody here. I don’t believe the official reports because they are contradictory

And here is why they might well lie.

https://theintercept.com/2018/03/29/john-bolton-trump-bush-bustani-kids-opcw/

Skylinehead

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

I am no more an expert than anybody here. I don’t believe the official reports because they are contradictory

And here is why they might well lie.

https://theintercept.com/2018/03/29/john-bolton-trump-bush-bustani-kids-opcw/

Do you think the OPCW is in "cahoots" with NATO/whatever to discredit Russia here? Bearing in mind its an international organisation that's not Western.

Dohnjoe

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

novichok would kill instantly and without fail. So we are told.

Dosage and treatment

This is posted repeatedly in every single thread on the subject. For example

Andrei Zheleznyakov was working on chemical weapons in the 1980s when a hood malfunction exposed him to the deadly nerve agent

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/22/andrei-zheleznyakov-soviet-scientist-poisoned-novichok

So the followup retort will be "yeah so why are they so healthy"

The response: Dosage and treatment

How much were they exposed to, how quick and effective was the treatment

The treatment:

"Dr Stephen Jukes, the Intensive Care Consultant who treated the Skripals a week after they arrived at the hospital, said on admission the medical team suspected both were suffering an opioid overdose but the diagnosis quickly changed to a nerve agent poisoning.

BBC Newsnight was told that at first it was simply a matter of keeping the Skripals alive.

They were heavily sedated and given heavy doses of drugs designed to protect them from the effects of the poison,"

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/skripal-poisoning_uk_5b0c23f2e4b0fdb2aa55c016

Dohnjoe

Nixonbot wrote: »

Do you think the OPCW is in "cahoots" with NATO/whatever to discredit Russia here? Bearing in mind its an international organisation that's not Western.

Of which Russia is a member. They've worked closely with Russia in the past.

cnocbui

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

novichok would kill instantly and without fail. So we are told.

The only thing you know about this is what you were told to believe of course. For the more rational the whole shambles of a false flag gets even less believable.

Who knows, maybe the Ukrainians did it.

Not in the form that was used:

The newspaper also quoted an anonymous source, saying: “The Kremlin wanted to get its agents out of Britain before the Novichok could be identified. So they reduced its toxicity and used it in a gel form rather than as a gas – had the Skripals inhaled the nerve agent they would have died very quickly.

“The Russians still banked on Sergei and Yulia dying as a result of their exposure, even though they had effectively watered it down.”

You are trolling. The OPCW is the preeminent chemical weapons authority on this planet. Their word and findings are recognised as representing absolute fact by world governments. There is no higher level of proof than their findings. Stop with the búllsh1t

weisses

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Do explain. Has any aviation disaster in the past relied on social media as evidence? Yes or no?

Since when are photos and videos not admissible in court ?

The JIT had to make a case that will stick in court ...with evidence that does the same ... Whatever bellincat found out 2 years ago was pretty accurate ... What the investigation team has done since is gathered more evidence convincing enough to put in front of a judge

So if you think they rely on social media evidence to make this stick I suggest to switch to an alternative news outlet

Hande hoche!

zom wrote: »

Another murdered by Russians found safe and well afterwards:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/30/arkady-babchenko-reveals-he-faked-his-death-to-thwart-moscow-plot

Putin's agents are pretty useless in killing people...

That seemed like a ridiculous scheme. Resulted in one arrest. Hardly tackling a conspiracy or giving the FSB a bloody nose.

kooper

Hande hoche! wrote: »

That seemed like a ridiculous scheme. Resulted in one arrest. Hardly tackling a conspiracy or giving the FSB a bloody nose.

Give it a time, I bet they have all communications of that guy recorded. Soon there might be pretty interesting interceptions...

seachto7

Who is to say the Russians didn't set this up to make themselves look great!