Changes to abortion laws a matter for next government - Kenny

lightspeed

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0211/679403-abortion/


Well there it is folks. You elect a government on the basis that they will make decisions that need to be made for the benefit of the people. However, when it gets closer to an election and they have done a stupid thing like making a complete cock up of charging people for their water, they cant go touching voter sensitive areas like abortion of course.

As with most elections, if im not mistaken it is mostly older people who vote which are more likely to follow the mantra of the Catholic church. Im assuming so that they know that they will lose support amongst older voters (the ones that matter most) if they attempt to legislate further for abortion in this country.

Best to look towards having another costly referendum for the tax payer for the craic and so the cowardly politicians in power dont have to take a position on such a controversial area.

Come 2016, my own view is i could maybe excuse the water charges fiasco and even the many broken promises of the government as to be fair they have made some achievements and the economy is a lot more stable. However, when Fine Gael or Labour knock on my door to ask for my vote at the next general election, the only question I will have now is what use is a politician to me that lacks spine to make decisions in key areas affecting our society?

little_scamp

while important to many people , this issue would not make the top five biggest concerns of voters

" its the economy stupid "

lightspeed

little_scamp wrote: »

while important to many people , this issue would not make the top five biggest concerns of voters

" its the economy stupid "

Perhaps but i think it would had they voted on Clare Dalys bill and further legislated for abortion here.

After the death of Savita Halappanavar, opionion swayed amongst many that some changes need to take place to allow for abortion in cases where it was medically necessary and some people think abortion should be available for all cases where the woman chooses it, without any conditions attached.

Back when that incident made world headlines, Kenny was forced to do something knowing that it would be going back on pre election promises not to legislate for abortion.

Even the limited legislation they put through was met with such opposition that it made international headlines.

If the government where to further legislate, it would be a key issue for the electorate. However, thats what a government is supposed to do. They are suppose to put the people first and their party second although that rarely happens so business as usual I suppose in Irish politics.

little_scamp

lightspeed wrote: »

Perhaps but i think it would had they voted on Clare Dalys bill and further legislated for abortion here.

After the death of Savita Halappanavar, opionion swayed amongst many that some changes need to take place to allow for abortion in cases where it was medically necessary and some people think abortion should be available for all cases where the woman chooses it, without any conditions attached.

Back when that incident made world headlines, Kenny was forced to do something knowing that it would be going back on pre election promises not to legislate for abortion.

Even the limited legislation they put through was met with such opposition that it made international headlines.

If the government where to further legislate, it would be a key issue for the electorate. However, thats what a government is supposed to do. They are suppose to put the people first and their party second although that rarely happens so business as usual I suppose in Irish politics.

savita died because of medical malpractice , our abortion laws were not the reason she died

the issue did spur a political sh1tstorm and caused a change in the constitution ( a nesscessery change IMO ) but the facts of the story were misrepresented in order to drive through an agenda

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

It will take a constitutional amendment to sort this and that would not be feasible in the lifetime left of this dail. Simples!

lazygal

little_scamp wrote: »

savita died because of medical malpractice , our abortion laws were not the reason she died

the issue did spur a political sh1tstorm and caused a change in the constitution ( a nesscessery change IMO ) but the facts of the story were misrepresented in order to drive through an agenda

Where to start with this nonsense.
Savita asked for an abortion, was told no, this is a catholic country. Any other country without our laws wouldn't have made her wait until the heartbeat of the foetus stopped before intervening.
There was no change in the constitution. We haven't had a referendum on abortion since 2002. The government simply got the finger out and legislated for the X case. Its questionable whether that change in the law will help women in Savita's position. Its already meant a dead woman was kept alive while her brain rotted because she was pregnant.
Are you casting Praveen in a certain light because, having gotten no satisfaction, he went to Galway ProChoice to highlight what had happened to his wife as a result of our system which values a woman the same as a zygote?

robman60

You realiae the government can't just introduce legislation which is repugnant to the Constitution?

It's not a case of cowardice on the part of politicians, constitutional amendments require the people to allow it in a referendum.

mikom

lightspeed wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0211/679403-abortion/


Well there it is folks. You elect a government on the basis that they will make decisions that need to be made for the benefit of the people. However, when it gets closer to an election and they have done a stupid thing like making a complete cock up of charging people for their water, they cant go touching voter sensitive areas like abortion of course.

As with most elections, if im not mistaken it is mostly older people who vote which are more likely to follow the mantra of the Catholic church. Im assuming so that they know that they will lose support amongst older voters (the ones that matter most) if they attempt to legislate further for abortion in this country.

Best to look towards having another costly referendum for the tax payer for the craic and so the cowardly politicians in power dont have to take a position on such a controversial area.

Come 2016, my own view is i could maybe excuse the water charges fiasco and even the many broken promises of the government as to be fair they have made some achievements and the economy is a lot more stable. However, when Fine Gael or Labour knock on my door to ask for my vote at the next general election, the only question I will have now is what use is a politician to me that lacks spine to make decisions in key areas affecting our society?

Kenny aims to make this the The best little country in the world that forces its women to avail of the British health service.

Balls the size of tic-tacs that lad has.
A self serving cunt.

SeanW

I find it bizarre that this government has capitulated to radical feminism (and other authoritarian usually Leftist movements) on virtually every other issue but doesn't want to legalise abortion? Why?

Pumpkinseeds

Ah now don't be too tough on Enda, sure don't the government have more serious matters to hold referendums on, like whether or not to lower the age at which one can run for president. Priorities and all that.:rolleyes:

Paz-CCFC

robman60 wrote: »

You realiae the government can't just introduce legislation which is repugnant to the Constitution?

It's not a case of cowardice on the part of politicians, constitutional amendments require the people to allow it in a referendum.

It was ruled by the Supreme Court more than 20 years ago in X v. the Attorney General that Article 40.3.3 allowed for abortion in the case of a real and substantial risk to the life of the mother if the foetus is carried to term. We already allowed for abortion in rare cases by passing the 8th amendment and the courts have recognsied this. Every government and legislature since then - including this one - have failed to introduce regulation for this Constitutional right by way of legislation since then. The biggest reason, in my opinion, being cowardice.

Baggy Trousers

I really really hope the current government falls in 2015. I voted for them in 2011 but never FG or Labour again.
They were at best ineffective, at worst incompetent.
They are scared to include an abortion clause in the next referendum vote but that's simply not good enough.

little_scamp

lazygal wrote: »

Where to start with this nonsense.
Savita asked for an abortion, was told no, this is a catholic country. Any other country without our laws wouldn't have made her wait until the heartbeat of the foetus stopped before intervening.
There was no change in the constitution. We haven't had a referendum on abortion since 2002. The government simply got the finger out and legislated for the X case. Its questionable whether that change in the law will help women in Savita's position. Its already meant a dead woman was kept alive while her brain rotted because she was pregnant.
Are you casting Praveen in a certain light because, having gotten no satisfaction, he went to Galway ProChoice to highlight what had happened to his wife as a result of our system which values a woman the same as a zygote?

the " this is a catholic country " remark has been acknowledged ( by the nurse who uttered it ) as a flippant and highly inappropriate remark , despite this , it is being used ( by some ) as the definitive explanation for what happened

little_scamp

Baggy Trousers wrote: »

I really really hope the current government falls in 2015. I voted for them in 2011 but never FG or Labour again.
They were at best ineffective, at worst incompetent.
They are scared to include an abortion clause in the next referendum vote but that's simply not good enough.

the next goverment may not involve either FG or labour but it will not be because of any failure on their part when it comes to the whole abortion debate

catallus

The government were ordered by the rulers of this country that the proposed legislation needed to be vetted by them.

Why are people getting worked up over this?

wendell borton

little_scamp wrote: »

the next goverment may not involve either FG or labour but it will not be because of any failure on their part when it comes to the whole abortion debate

But its yet another example of their spinelessness when comes to making decisions.

qt3.14

Ezequiel Shrilling Urinal wrote: »

It will take a constitutional amendment to sort this and that would not be feasible in the lifetime left of this dail. Simples!

Genuinely curious, why not? Why does it have to be a tortuous process? Simple amendment yes no to remove the constitutional impediment.

j80ezgvc3p92xu

Didn't Enda make some pro life promises before he was elected?

lazygal

Jorge Squeaking Pellet wrote: »

Didn't Enda make some pro life promises before he was elected?

No. Stop listening to Youth Defence and Caroline Simons' lies.