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The "I need a Rant" thread - probably spoilers inside

  • 11-02-2015 5:41pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭


    Big Show. F*cking Big Show.

    What an absolute drain this guy is. Let's start with his god awful ring name. Big Show/The Big Show. Sorry, but that's crap. It's stupid. It sucks. The Big Show? What is that?! Maybe as a nickname like ''Showtime'' Eric Young it could sound ok i.e. "The Big Show'' Paul Wight. I think they actually started with that. Ugh. Gick.

    Then there's his entrance music. ''Weeeeelllllllll, it's a p*ss break!!!''. There is nothing more effective to get me up off my feet (and NOT in a good way) than hearing this self introduced tune kicking off. I hate it. Beyond stale and annoying.

    His offence looks terrible. The KO punch is alright admittedly but that's newish. That headbutt where he covers an opponents head and proceeds to loaf his own pudgy hand is one of the most embarrassing moves in pro wrestling. His selling is equally as bad as he's too big to look like it's doing anything. Bumbling mess.

    Then there's the turns. Oh god there's the turns. He's got more than Silverstone and it doesn't look like stopping
    HE DID IT AGAIN ON SMACKDOWN
    . He's had in excess of 20 face/heel turns. Look here:
    – A few months after entering the WWE he wound up in a feud with Mick Foley. Following the feud, he KO’d Vince McMahon and joined the Union to fight the Corporation.

    – Show winds up turning heel again four months later and forms a tag team with The Undertaker feuding with Kane and X-Pac

    – Less than three months later Show turns face during the infamous “Big Show Father is Dead” storyline and feuds with Prince Albert and the Big Bossman.

    – Three months after Show turns face he turns heel again at the Royal Rumble where he wound up getting into it with The Rock. Show was eliminated by The Rock in the Rumble which started a feud between the two.

    – Immediately after WrestleMania Show starts doing those goofy impersonations of other wrestlers (Showster, Showkishi) which of course turned him babyface. He wound up feuding with Shane McMahon.

    – Two months after losing to Shane at Judgment Day Show turned heel again. Show acted as if he was going to go after Shane McMahon but instead wound up attacking The Undertaker.

    – Show turns babyface again, pledging loyalty to the WWE throughout the Invasion angle and feuded specifically with Shane once again.

    – Show turns heel again right after WrestleMania X-8. Show attacks Steve Austin and joins the n.W.o.

    – The Big Show returns after a lengthy injury-related absence and turns babyface once again after choosing to wrestle Kurt Angle at No Mercy 2004.

    – The Big Show is drafted over to ECW and becomes the top heel in the company. Show winds up winning the title after Paul Heyman turns on Rob Van Dam.

    – The Big Show seemingly turned babyface when he returned at No Way Out in 2008 only to turn back heel immediately by attacking Rey Mysterio thus turning twice in one night.

    – Show winds up turning babyface over the course of the next few weeks when WWE fans reject Floyd Mayweather Jr. as the babyface in their feud.

    – Show goes heel again in a few months after aligning himself with Vickie Guerrero in her feud against The Undertaker. Show attacked Undertaker at Unforgiven and began interfering in his matches.

    – Show teases another babyface turn when he winds up with a spot on Team RAW. Show actually winds up turning on Team RAW to reveal he was a SmackDown guy all along. So in a sense he never really turned since he was a heel in the place.

    – In April 2010 The Big Show KO’s The Miz after they lost the unified tag team championship which immediately turns him babyface (of course!)

    – The Big Show returns after a lengthy absence in May 2012 with an “ironclad” contract as the henchmen of John Laurinaitis and begins a feud with John Cena.

    – In March 2013 The Big Show helps Randy Orton and Sheamus against The Shield turning him somewhat babyface although this was never a full-fledged turn.

    - Show “turns heel” (if you consider his alliance with Sheamus and Orton an turn) and KO’s Orton and Sheamus after losing a six-man tag team match to The Shield at WrestleMania 29.

    – Show returns from another lengthy absence and continues his feud with The Shield and thus makes a full-fledged babyface turn aligning with Mark Henry.

    – Show turned twice in one night once again in October when he KO’s Daniel Bryan at Battleground only to turn around and turn babyface once again by KO’ing Randy Orton.

    The Big Show turns on Team Cena at the Survivor Series, KO’ing Cena and walking off of the team to join The Authority.


    I hate seeing him. He hasn't been relevant or exciting in literally years. He's lost weight but he's still no use. They can never decide if he's a walking punchline or a killer. Is he a feared giant or a comedy character. I just don't care anymore.

    His alliance/rivalry with Kane is for another day but those two in the Rumble pretty much brought me to as close to the brink of quitting as possible. Surely Bad News Barrett or Luke Harper (Or Cesaro pre- Tyson Kidd) would be a better choice as henchmen as they have worked with the Authority in the past and are fresher, more talented, relevant and pretty much directionless.


    In summary, f*ck off Big Show.


Comments

  • Registered Users Posts: 116 ✭✭Clemantis


    Playing Devil's advocate here, his title feuds with Seamus and Alberto Del Rio were pretty entertaining. The matches with Seamus in particular were quite good.

    But yeah, the Royal Rumble was not easy to watch.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,992 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Clemantis wrote: »
    Playing Devil's advocate here, his title feuds with Seamus and Alberto Del Rio were pretty entertaining. The matches with Seamus in particular were quite good.

    .

    As was his matches with Mark Henry a few years ago, but man apart from that, its been a bloody awful last few years we had to put up with the guy.

    His feud with Orton, ****ing hell. :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,846 ✭✭✭Moneymaker


    Well, there's my rant of the year vote locked up.

    In all seriousness, I largely agree. He and Kane have had X-Pac heat for ages now. It's mind boggling that those two are in those spots. Why the **** can't Cesaro and Barrett do their jobs? You get better matches, fresh feuds and guys who actually NEED THE ****ING RUB in prominent spots.

    Imagine Cesaro uppercutting the **** out of the babyfaces in a suit. Must see TV. Barrett delivering his Bad News schitck right as he batters an unfortunate babyface. Must see TV.

    Thing is, both Kane and Show have good intentions. They want to put the young guys over. Problem is, they have so little credibility and fans are SO SICK of seeing them that beating them means nothing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 116 ✭✭Clemantis


    Funnily enough, Big Show/Henry was only good when Henry was going over. Every other interaction they had was rubbish.

    His tag teams with Jericho and Miz were entertaining, in my opinion.


    The bad definitely outweighs the good, but he's not completely useless. I think he would be less of a blight on the industry if he had a Jericho-type deal where he would go away for long intervals fairly regularly. Seeing him week in and week out doesn't do him any favours.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,491 ✭✭✭thebostoncrab


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    In all seriousness though, I think the longer Big Show is around the worse it will do for how people look back at his career.

    When he was younger he was great and played that monster role perfectly. You'd look forward to a Big Show match and if you put him against a small underdog or will a brawl it was an entertaining watch. The problem is, like most big men, as Big Show got older his health began to worsen, and he became more and more limited as to what he can do. He should have retired a few years ago, as he brings nothing to the table any more.

    I'd argue that there is still a chance with Kane, he just needs to give more a **** and deliver the quality that we all know he can actually bring. Kane can still move, is still in good (Good, not amazing) shape and can work with a variety of different styles.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,992 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Yeah both Show and Kane mean well I think, but they are just so stale its unreal. Wyatt is supposed to be facing Taker and Rusev Cena at Mania, at the rumble it should have been those 2 throwing people out left right and centre instead of the gruesome twosome.

    That would have meant we would have a final 4 of Ambrose, Reigns, Wyatt and Rusev 4 new guys, so it wouldn't have annoyed so many people.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    I enjoyed his run with the miz.

    He has uses, but yea he staller than kane.


  • Registered Users Posts: 45,535 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    I wouldn't mind him so much if he put over more guys. He seems to do this more often when he's a face (Rusev for instance) but when he's a heel he seems to be protected way more as the recent feud with Reigns indicates. If the original idea was for Reigns to face Lesnar then Reigns should have been beating Show clean, not struggling against him; and definitely not being pinned by him.

    I think I prefer him as a babyface tbh. He has good facial expressions and he can have funny moments here and there. As a heel these days I just think he's a real channel-changer.

    I'd rather him in the mid-card. Maybe put him and Big E in a team, or him and Ryback. Perhaps pair him with Bo Dallas and do a storyline where Show becomes a Boliever - the Bo and Show Connection. :pac:

    Just keep him away from main event angles please. I'm so sick of him in these spots.

    'It is better to walk alone in the right direction than follow the herd walking in the wrong direction.'



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,476 ✭✭✭brianregan09


    Sums up the minds of most wrestling fans at the moment when it comes to Show


  • Registered Users Posts: 15 Lexicious


    100% agree here. It's gone way past the point of funny with his constant turns.

    Maybe if they hadn't kept changing his story lines into a comic character, he might of had a great run as a powerhouse.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 116 ✭✭Clemantis


    Just keep him away from main event angles please. I'm so sick of him in these spots.
    Ugh, that just reminded me of how they tried to steal Daniel Bryan's heat and transfer it Big Show for his feud with Orton, getting him to do Yes chants. Ugh.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭demanufactured


    Proffered him as Giant in WCW


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,301 ✭✭✭✭gerrybbadd


    Seemingly, The Big Show name came about as a little dig at WCW, whom were on TBS when Paul Wight transferred over. This was done a lot in the business and each side liked to take digs. Virgil was named so as a dig at Dusty Rhodes, Virgil being his real first name. Then when Virgil went to WCW, he was renamed Vincent as a dig at Vince

    He was originally "The Big Show" Paul Wight in WWF before the name got shortened.

    Its time he went though in fairness. Nothing to offer, same with Kane. Way past prime for each of these now


  • Registered Users Posts: 15 Lexicious


    gerrybbadd wrote: »
    Its time he went though in fairness. Nothing to offer, same with Kane. Way past prime for each of these now

    I really agree on the Kane front. When he had that little stint where Steph gave him the mask back it was a bit sad to watch really.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭Ageyev


    No idea what his pay is like these days but I recall Powerslam writing that his deal in 1999 was $900k per year for nine/ten years. Then they debuted him as a surprise coming up from under the ring with no build or hype, had him lose to Austin on one of his first Raw matches, his first Mania match was for a poxy referee job, then The Union storyline, he tries to kill Big Shot Bob Holly with a car, the dead daddy Big Bossman thing. That's Attitude Era philosophy for you...


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    That young up and comer...


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭A Primal Nut


    There is a role for guys like him. Casual fans and kids love to see him, and he's a big attraction for live audiences. Not everyone can be a 5'8" technical submission expert. Variety is what makes WWE interesting.

    That said, I would have loved if Mizdow won last night; and I agree Big Show should stay away from the main event scene.


  • Registered Users Posts: 60,274 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    If there was ever a wrestler that should be a part time attraction it should be The Big Show.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,523 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I was as puzzled as anyone by the decision to book Show as the winner of TATGMBR, but I heard the point made that it could have been done to give him more legitimacy. It makes sense, from a psychological standpoint that the biggest guy in the thing would eventually win out, although it does deny us that feel-good up-and-comer getting their moment. However, I can't see Big Show doing anything more than going back to being a corporate stooge, so I think it'll ultimately be a waste. I can't see how Mizdow wouldn't have gotten a tonne more mileage out of winning. Could have done the whole Miz giving Mizdow one last chance to make amends by handing the trophy over on RAW thing, kicking off a very nice feud. That feud will happen anyway but it would have been a nice spot to start off on.

    Overall, don't forget - second year in a row now that WWE has come off a really successful Wrestlemania both financially and critically. Second year they'll be coming out of it with loads of momentum, but there's nothing to quite make me believe that they won't just squander the lot over the coming months.


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 22,634 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bounty Hunter


    If they didn't have a big plan for whomever was to win the ATGBR then giving it to show who obviously has been likened to Andre all his career and is a big name kinda adds something to the having won that match at mania if it continues to be an annual thing.

    The winner elevates the prize in some ways instead of the other way round this year.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,011 ✭✭✭Tugboats


    Austin said on this week's podcast that Show was the right winner and should get a main event push. Also should consider having him win the next 2 or 3 to build up a battle royal streak and then have someone beat him at Mania 34 or 35.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,348 ✭✭✭✭ricero


    Tugboats wrote: »
    Austin said on this week's podcast that Show was the right winner and should get a main event push. Also should consider having him win the next 2 or 3 to build up a battle royal streak and then have someone beat him at Mania 34 or 35.

    Please God no


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,011 ✭✭✭Tugboats


    ricero wrote: »
    Please God no

    Yep. Himself and Wade Keller were very positive about the big show win


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,846 ✭✭✭Moneymaker


    Not quite on the level of the OPs rant, but...

    Big Show. Again.

    Every year it's the same nonsense. In 2015 going into 2016, Big Show is yet again going to be pushed and put in a prominent position....for a few weeks. No one cared last year. No one cared when he was pushed to face Lesnar(squashing Cesaro a guy fans would love to see square off against Brock for about 10 weeks straight). No one cares. Ever.

    He'll probably beat a bunch of people fans actually care about, rant about how he's a giant and no one can possibly throw him over the top rope. And no one will care, fans will chant for him to retire and people will change the channel.

    So he kills a bunch of jobbers, and as soon as someone stands up to him, he just walks out on the match. So no one gets over and we simply have to protect THE BIG SHOW IN 2015.

    The same bull****. Every. ****ing. Year.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,611 ✭✭✭✭ERG89


    Moneymaker wrote: »
    Not quite on the level of the OPs rant, but...

    Big Show. Again.

    Every year it's the same nonsense. In 2015 going into 2016, Big Show is yet again going to be pushed and put in a prominent position....for a few weeks.

    The same bull****. Every. ****ing. Year.

    You forgetting this?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,789 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    With you all on the Big Show hate, the chap is unbearable. But, I don't even know if I actually think this to be fair, but is it possible this makes him a good heel? I mean even Reigns would get cheers against him.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭A Brad Maddox Guy


    CSF wrote: »
    With you all on the Big Show hate, the chap is unbearable. But, I don't even know if I actually think this to be fair, but is it possible this makes him a good heel? I mean even Reigns would get cheers against him.

    Not too sure about that, Reigns had a feud with him already and it completely stalled his momentum since nobody gave a sh!t and the matches went way too long. Neville & Kalisto are the only non-jobbers I think would benefit from winning a short feud with him at this stage.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,789 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    Not too sure about that, Reigns had a feud with him already and it completely stalled his momentum since nobody gave a sh!t and the matches went way too long. Neville & Kalisto are the only non-jobbers I think would benefit from winning a short feud with him at this stage.

    People don't give a **** about anything Reigns does. I'd just make the point that you're much more likely to get over as a WWE style face against Big Show than Owens or Rollins. We like these guys. I can't stand him, but maybe that's the point.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,296 ✭✭✭✭gimmick


    Beating Show means absolutely nothing. You don't get momentum in a feud with him anymore. His heat is silence. Bus opponent might get a ripple of a cheer but nothing more than that so imo no, he isn't doing a good job as a heel.


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