'We’re leaving Britain - Jews aren’t safe here any more’

RobYourBuilder

Simon and Honey Gould, married for more than 20 years and with two children, live a seemingly peaceful life in their handsome five-bedroom house in a quiet British suburb.

Simon, 52, is a successful businessman running his own property company. Honey, 49, has pursued a career in marketing, while also raising son Arron, now 18, and daughter Angel, 16. Their wide circle of friends, close family and other relatives lives nearby.

Yet this summer the Goulds will leave everything behind – their north Manchester home filled with memories, their lovely, rambling garden, their busy social life – and leave the UK for good.

It may sound dramatic – incomprehensible, even. But the family, who are Jewish, no longer feel safe in this country. They believe they have no choice.

She is not the only member of Britain’s 300,000-strong Jewish community to feel things have reached crisis point. Since the gun attack that killed three people at the Jewish Museum in Brussels last year and the murder by radical Islamists of four Jews at a kosher supermarket on the outskirts of Parislast month, the chorus of concern has been growing. The actress Maureen Lipman recently revealed that she, too, isconsidering leaving the UK because of the rising number of attacks on Jews.

A poll by the Campaign Against Antisemitism last month found nearly half of Britons thought that at least one anti‑Semitic view presented to them was “definitely or probably true”.

Then, yesterday, annual figures from the Community Security Trust (CST), which monitors anti-Semitism in Britain, showed a record number of anti‑Semitic incidents in 2014 (1,168 incidents were recorded, more than double the 535 incidents logged in 2013).

London and Greater Manchester bore the brunt of the increase, with Manchester seeing a 79 per cent rise. One incident cited in the report involved the daubing of swastikas and the term “Jewish slag” on gravestones at a Jewish cemetery in Manchester. Greater Manchester Police says it has stepped up patrols.

The findings are borne out by the Goulds’ experience. “The other week, I was standing in the queue at a large supermarket in Manchester when the man in front of me said, 'F

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Jews, they’re all over the place. They’re thieves, they are taking over our property. They’re everywhere,’ ” says Honey. “I’ve no idea if he knew I was Jewish or not, but I was absolutely terrified, and fled.”

Then a Jewish neighbour’s son who was wearing his kippa (skull cap) was slapped in the street by a white Polish man, who “just sprang forward and hit him”.

Honey says: “I know there are plenty of people who simply want to live a peaceful coexistence. But there is so much anti‑Semitism in Britain, and it’s coming from all sides. Our local Jewish schools look like prison camps. They’re surrounded by wire fences. There are guards on patrol, some with dogs. On Saturdays, you see police walking the street with members of the CST. I don’t want to sit at home panicking when my husband goes to the synagogue. I just want to live in peace.”

Radical Islam, agrees Simon, is not the only driving force behind the rise in anti‑Semitism. The far‑Left habitually conflates Jews with Israel and Zionism, he says. The far‑Right, meanwhile, may be “happy firing salvos at the Muslim population, but I know we are only one step away from their wrath,” he says.

Having spent 10 years on the northern board of the CST, he is acutely aware of how bad things have become. “I’ve been exposed to, and become familiar with, spiralling anti‑Semitism,” he says. “Eggs hurled from passing cars, swastikas on Jewish headstones, messages of hatred. Last summer, central Manchester – a place I love and have always lived in – became a flashpoint for virulent anti-Israel demonstrations. It was terrifying to see this on the streets of my home city.”

He praises the Government’s response to the problem, but doubts its ability to stop it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11393427/Were-leaving-Britain-Jews-arent-safe-here-any-more.html

The Jewish community endured the highest level of anti-Semitic incidents ever recorded in Britain last year amid a climate of hostility fuelled by Israel’s military action in Gaza.

New figures show the number of recognised anti-Semitic incidents, ranging from verbal abuse to extreme physical violence and desecration of graves, in the UK more than doubled in 2014.

The figures, published by the Community Security Trust, came amid signs that anxiety within the Jewish community has risen even higher in the past few weeks, in the wake of the Islamist terrorist attacks in Paris.

The trust, which provides security advice to synagogues and Jewish schools, said last month that it was receiving an "unprecedented" volume of calls from Jewish people fearing a similar attack in the UK.

Overall, the trust, which has been recording anti-Jewish hate crime for 30 years, logged 1,168 anti-Semitic incidents in 2014 – a 118 per cent increase on the previous year.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11391156/Anti-Semitic-attacks-more-than-double-in-UK.html

Very worrying stuff. Here are some findings from a report undertaken last summer:


● Only 5% of respondents said antisemitism wasn't a problem in the UK (figure 5).

● 68% said anti-Semitism has increased in the past 5 years (figure 6).

● 46% of respondents said they'd heard non-Jews say the Holocaust was a myth or exaggerated (figure 13).

● Teenagers are the second most likely perpetrators of anti-Semitic abuse, be it verbal or physical(figure 17).

● Young Jewish peoole are more likely to face anti-Semitism (figure 26).

http://www.jpr.org.uk/documents/Perceptions_and_experiences_of_antisemitism_among_Jews_in_UK.pdf

Sheep Lover

"A white Polish man"

Is there any other kind?

Tugboats

It's been happening throughout Europe especially in France. Good article here http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2015/feb/05/is-there-really-a-jewish-exodus-from-western-europe

jaymcg91

I've heard racist comments about black people and Muslims (sadly), but i've genuinely never heard any anti Semitic comments when I've been out and about (I obviously heard about those incidents on the continent).. Maybe I'm just not listening hard enough

wow sierra

Better title for article:

"Family choose to leave possibly the most tolerant, inclusive country in the whole world and give spurious reason for it".

RobYourBuilder

jaymcg91 wrote: »

I've heard racist comments about black people and Muslims (sadly), but i've genuinely never heard any anti Semitic comments. Maybe I'm just not listening hard enough

There’s a character in Joyce's Ulysses who quips that there’s no anti-Semitism in Ireland because we never let them in.

I was in France ten days ago, there are army on the streets protecting the Jewish communities and synagogues.
Its scary stuff.

The Strawman Argument

Sheep Lover wrote: »

"A white Polish man"

Is there any other kind?

Emmanuel Olisadebe of Panini World Cup 2002 sticker album fame

The Aussie

I do love how the extreme left has gone hand in hand with the extreme right in their anti Jewish/Israeli hating, somewhere along the line the extreme left has confused being Pro Palestinian to being anti Jewish/Israeli...

Oh how i laugh how they justify it in a frothing of the mouth kinda way, how quaint.

The Aussie

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

There’s a character in Joyce's Ulysses who quips that there’s no anti-Semitism in Ireland because we never let them in.

The lovely named Jew Town here in Cork City says otherwise...

One eyed Jack

Ahh come on Rob, a load of copied and pasted articles and figures and at the end your only comment is this?

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

Very worrying stuff.

What's very worrying about it?

nokia69

The Aussie wrote: »

I do love how the extreme left has gone hand in hand with the extreme right in their anti Jewish/Israeli hating, somewhere along the line the extreme left has confused being Pro Palestinian to being anti Jewish/Israeli...

Oh how i laugh how they justify it in a frothing of the mouth kinda way, how quaint.

the left are slowly being taken over by islamists

I wonder how long it will take for them to wake up

RobYourBuilder

wow sierra wrote: »

Better title for article:

"Family choose to leave possibly the most tolerant, inclusive country in the whole world and give spurious reason for it".

Spurious reasons? When your childrens school and your place of worship resembles fort knox and needs security outside, then something has gone drastically wrong.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

bubblypop wrote: »

I was in France ten days ago, there are army on the streets protecting the Jewish communities and synagogues.
Its scary stuff.

Yeah, same here. Tbh, when it gets to the point where Jewish creches need military armed guards (I really did see that) I can see why people would feel like leaving. I can't imagine what a horrible feeling it is to have lived in and contributed to a country for your whole life and then to have to feel like people see you as a Jew first, Frenchman/Briton/etc second.

Banjo String

Jeez, Jews are easily offended, not to mention paranoid.

I was standing at a bus stop in London one morning, with an orthodox Jew.

Anyway, we had been there at least 25 mins with no sign of a bus, so I turned around and asked the guy "sorry" , " what times this bus supposed to be due"?

Your man snarled back at me, " I don't fcuking know", "you stupid paddy cnut! " :mad:

jaymcg91

jaymcg91 wrote: »

I've heard racist comments about black people and Muslims (sadly), but i've genuinely never heard any anti Semitic comments when I've been out and about (I obviously heard about those incidents on the continent).. Maybe I'm just not listening hard enough

Know a couple of lads who'd been travelling in South America and came back with some strongly anti-Semitic opinions.

Tugboats

Sienna Strong Scout wrote: »

Yeah, same here. Tbh, when it gets to the point where Jewish creches need military armed guards (I really did see that) I can see why people would feel like leaving. I can't imagine what a horrible feeling it is to have lived in and contributed to a country for your whole life and then to have to feel like people see you as a Jew first, Frenchman/Briton/etc second.

Somebody will along shortly to tell you that Israel are slaughtering kids in Palestine

Thanks

The Aussie

Banjo String wrote: »

Jeez, Jews are easily offended, not to mention paranoid.

I was standing at a bus stop in London one morning, with an orthodox Jew.

Anyway, we had been there at least 25 mins with no sign of a bus, so I turned around and asked the guy "sorry" , " what times this bus supposed to be due"?

Your man snarled back at me, " I don't fcuking know", "you stupid paddy cnut! " :mad:

Why do I feel the need for a shovel load of salt with that story???

Because maybe a pinch just ain't going to be enough...

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

Tugboats wrote: »

Somebody will along shortly to tell you that Israel are slaughtering kids in Palestine

Thanks

Quite possible to hold both views simultaneously. Disagreeing with Israel's policies doesn't mean you condone violent anti-semitism.

RDM_83 again

nokia69 wrote: »

the left are slowly being taken over by islamists

I wonder how long it will take for them to wake up

Really? I know the revolutionary left in europe would traditionally have had links or associations with organizations terrorists/freedom fighters/insurgents such as the PLO but those groups were comparatively secular in comparison to the Islamists that exist today.

Big Davey

I have done work for Jewish people I have always found them decent fair and respectable.
I have never understood racism or bigotry etc people should be treated as they treat you.
The problems in Europe is not just against Jews it's against black people, roma people etc etc
Most of mainland Europe are so unhappy with their lives, jobs, taxes, pensions etc they are just looking for someone to blame and hate.

One eyed Jack

The Aussie wrote: »

Why do I feel the need for a shovel load of salt with that story???

Because maybe a pinch just ain't going to be enough...

Whoosh... :pac:

Banjo String

The Aussie wrote: »

Why do I feel the need for a shovel load of salt with that story???

Because maybe a pinch just ain't going to be enough...

Eh, wait til I tell you about the 9 inch pianist I met in a bar one evening .....your head might fall off.


Edit, it would seem some still haven't got the gag....

Slightly off topic,
My sisters married to a due. She's pregnant and the baby is Jew in May........

Buford T. Justice XIX

Banjo String wrote: »

Jeez, Jews are easily offended, not to mention paranoid.

I was standing at a bus stop in London one morning, with an orthodox Jew.

Anyway, we had been there at least 25 mins with no sign of a bus, so I turned around and asked the guy "sorry" , " what times this bus supposed to be due"?

Your man snarled back at me, " I don't fcuking know", "you stupid paddy cnut! " :mad:

I doubt Jews are exempt from having some fools in their ranks, just like Irish people or French people or any other section you wish to consider.

RobYourBuilder

Lads, Banjo Strings post was a joke.

Desolation Of Smug

wow sierra wrote: »

Better title for article:

"Family choose to leave possibly the most tolerant, inclusive country in the whole world and give spurious reason for it".

Golders Green loses a family....fifty more scramble to buy their house. Lol at this - Golders Green(Londons Jewish Capital) is heaven on earth. The greatest hardship there is getting a vaguely stale bagel. Not aimed at you btw, Wow, I agree with you 100%.

One eyed Jack

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

I doubt Jews are exempt from having some fools in their ranks, just like Irish people or French people or any other section you wish to consider.

Ah Buford, read it again. It was a joke, albeit deceptively subtle!

nokia69

RDM_83 again wrote: »

Really? I know the revolutionary left in europe would traditionally have had links or associations with organizations terrorists/freedom fighters/insurgents such as the PLO but those groups were comparatively secular in comparison to the Islamists that exist today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azad_Ali

well theres one example above, and look at George Galloway and his largely islamic party, I can give more examples from the UK because thats the european country I know best, but I would bet its the same across much of western europe

The Aussie

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

Lads, Banjo Strings post was a joke.

It was?

Explain it to me...

Henlars67

The Aussie wrote: »

I do love how the extreme left has gone hand in hand with the extreme right in their anti Jewish/Israeli hating, somewhere along the line the extreme left has confused being Pro Palestinian to being anti Jewish/Israeli...

Oh how i laugh how they justify it in a frothing of the mouth kinda way, how quaint.

Being anti-Israel is not the same thing as being anti-Jewish.

The only anti-semitic comments I've ever heard were jokes about jews and money.

Obviously people really shouldn't be making comments like that, but they're certainly at the lower end of the scale. They aren't particularly worrying

Buford T. Justice XIX

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Ah Buford, read it again. It was a joke, albeit deceptively subtle!

MOVE ALONG NOW, FOLKS, NOTHING TO SEE HERE...

reprise

The Aussie wrote: »

It was?

Explain it to me...

You had to be there.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

The Aussie wrote: »

It was?

Explain it to me...

Joke, noun. Something said or done to provoke laughter or cause amusement, as a witticism, a short and amusing anecdote, or a prankish act:

In this case centered on the fact that the words "due" and "Jew" can sound very similar, that "Jew" is a disrespectful way to address a Jewish person, and that "Paddy" is a disrespectful way to address an Irishman.

Another thing to explain about jokes is that explaining them generally ruins them, so thanks Captain No-craic

Arbiter of Good Taste

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

Lads, Banjo Strings post was a joke.

It wasn't really funny to be honest

Smiles35

Changing the old religion can be tough. *scatches head

kenmc

Arbiter of Good Taste wrote: »

It wasn't really funny to be honest

I disagree.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Arbiter of Good Taste wrote: »

It wasn't really funny to be honest

Well, as Arbiter of Good Taste, you would know:-)

Banjo String

Arbiter of Good Taste wrote: »

It wasn't really funny to be honest

Just sick cos you didn't get it.

The Aussie

Sienna Strong Scout wrote: »

Joke, noun. Something said or done to provoke laughter or cause amusement, as a witticism, a short and amusing anecdote, or a prankish act:

In this case centered on the fact that the words "due" and "Jew" can sound very similar, that "Jew" is a disrespectful way to address a Jewish person, and that "Paddy" is a disrespectful way to address an Irishman.

Another thing to explain about jokes is that explaining them generally ruins them, so thanks Captain No-craic

Arbiter of Good Taste wrote: »

It wasn't really funny to be honest

When the Arbiter of Good Taste says it was rubbish wasn't that funny you can rest assured it was not that funny...

The Aussie

Henlars67 wrote: »

Being anti-Israel is not the same thing as being anti-Jewish.

Hang around After Hours a while, the fools who do get mixed up with the whole being pro Palestian and anti Jewish, you will see them sneaking out of the woodwork, they are fun to Troll, poor simple little critters they are...

DeadHand

The Jews get it from all sides... The hard Right and hard Left, indigenous communities and many immigrant communities (Muslim communities in particular).

The most persecuted minority in Europe today. It's a largely silent persecution as they are conflated with Israel and tend to be successful, industrious and law abiding and therefore could never become a minority beloved of the Left or liberal media.

They are being hunted from Europe at a rate that would have social justice warriors foaming at the mouth was it happening to almost any other minority.

The case of the beleaguered Malmo Jews is a good snapsot of what is continuing apace all over Europe today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_Sweden

Guy:Incognito

The Strawman Argument wrote: »

Emmanuel Olisadebe of Panini World Cup 2002 sticker album fame

I know lads that have gone on stag do's and lived in Poland longer than him.

Venus In Furs

I don't know if the right are as anti-semitic as they used to be - probably because of muslims.

Some very right-wing people are staunchly supportive of Israel. Probably not neo nazis though, although you never know. Consistency wouldn't be a strong feature of those types.

RobYourBuilder

Venus In Furs wrote: »

I don't know if the right are as anti-semitic as they used to be - probably because of muslims.

British Jews are twice as likely to face anti-Semitic abuse from those with left wing views than those with right ring views(figure 17).

keeponhurling

This morning when I announced I was going out to kick that f*cking dew off the grass , I was labelled anti Semitic as well

Anyways, so where are this family moving to ?

SEPT 23 1989

Never had a problem with the Jews i have known

hardworking decent people

keeponhurling

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

British Jews are twice as likely to face anti-Semitic abuse from those with left wing views than those with right ring views(figure 17).

Serious question , is racism or Anti semetism actually anything to do with right wing politics, low tax economies etc. ?

I heard Alan Shatter (of Fine Gael!) a while back saying the rise of right wing parties is a concern in Europe.
Nearly choked on my corn flakes reading that

One eyed Jack

keeponhurling wrote: »

This morning when I announced I was going out to kick that f*cking dew off the grass , I was labelled anti Semitic as well

Anyways, so where are this family moving to ?

I'm sure they'll let the world know in due course, so whatever country they move to shall be the new promised land of Simon and Honey...

Nodin

keeponhurling wrote: »

Serious question , is racism or Anti semetism actually anything to do with right wing politics, low tax economies etc. ?

I heard Alan Shatter (of Fine Gael!) a while back saying the rise of right wing parties is a concern in Europe.
Nearly choked on my corn flakes reading that

Considering that 34% (according to the pdf) consider advocacy of a boycott of Israeli goods as anti-Semitism, I'd take all that with a grain of salt.

KingBrian2

Anti Semites are assholes, they can exist anywhere. Does not matter if they are left, far left or Far right. Bunch of morons the lot of them.

Venus In Furs

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I'm sure they'll let the world know in due Jew course, so whatever country they move to shall be the new promised land of Simon and Honey...

FYP.