Pope says it's ok for parents to smack their kids

Hitchens

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/the-pope/11392641/Pope-Francis-parents-can-smack-their-children-for-bad-behaviour.html

if they are being bold.........and he's infallible

FloatingVoter

Good for him, I'm tired of smacking the little bastards because their parents are too lazy to do the necessary.

K4t

Pope Francis ~

If my good friend Dr. Gasparri says a curse word against my mother, he can expect a punch in the nose...It's normal. You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others.

Said a week after the Charlie Hebdo murders. What a truly evil little man. I hope someone issues him a knockout punch some day.

nokia69

Hitchens wrote: »

and he's infallible

only when he talks about matters of faith

seamus

Yep, I'd totally take the advice of a celibate septuagenarian voodoo witch doctor on the best way to discipline children.

shruikan2553

Just get the child to swear not to mention it and move the father. Problem sorted.

Son Of A Vidic

K4t wrote: »

What a truly evil little man. I hope someone issues him a knockout punch some day.

Dude Francis was once a nightclub bouncer in Buenos Aires. So I'm guessing it'll be him delivering that knockout punch.

fran17

K4t wrote: »

Pope Francis ~Said a week after the Charlie Hebdo murders. What a truly evil little man. I hope someone issues him a knockout punch some day.

He's 5' 9".I thought that was about average

sjb25

Excellent

darkpagandeath

It's ok here too, Unless someone can point to a law stopping you doing it in Ireland.

ScumLord

K4t wrote: »

Pope Francis ~Said a week after the Charlie Hebdo murders. What a truly evil little man. I hope someone issues him a knockout punch some day.

He was right though, if you stand on a corner calling everyone that passes by wearing glasses a four eyed ****, do you think you could get through the entire day without someone confronting you about it? Or even going as far as punching you?

K4t

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Dude Francis was once a nightclub bouncer in Buenos Aires. So I'm guessing it'll be him delivering that knockout punch.

Then I'll gouge his eye out.

bodhrandude

He wants parents to smack the fear of god into their kids no doubt.

timetogo

darkpagandeath wrote: »

It's ok here too, Unless someone can point to a law stopping you doing it in Ireland.

Being legal doesn't mean it's OK. There's lots of stuff that isn't illegal that I'd never do.

mad muffin

sjb25 wrote: »

Excellent

Mother ****ing thunder stealer :mad:

RobertKK

K4t wrote: »

Pope Francis ~Said a week after the Charlie Hebdo murders. What a truly evil little man. I hope someone issues him a knockout punch some day.

You claim to be:
Location: West of Ireland and Free From religion

Yet you probably post more on religion than any of us.

Honey Monster

I wouldn't agree with more than 1% of what the Pope says but in this instance he's correct.

The_Valeyard

K4t wrote: »

Then I'll gouge his eye out.

Wouldn't that make you a truly evil little man then?

efb

I don't personally agree but reasonable chastisement wouldn't do much harm

1357

I think you'll find children are totally logical, highly intelligent and completely understanding of everything and anything the world has to throw at them.

So if a young child is, for example, beating up their younger sibling(s) - and doesn't really understand why this is not cool - or the child makes a dash into the path of a huge, deadly, moving-at-speed, metal, machine (car) - I think you'll find appealing to their reasonable side works best. That way, if they go dash out onto the road again, or go to bully their poor innocent sibling(s) they will totally remember what you told them and think again.

K4t

ScumLord wrote: »

He was right though, if you stand on a corner calling everyone that passes by wearing glasses a four eyed ****, do you think you could get through the entire day without someone confronting you about it? Or even going as far as punching you?

Can you direct your disingenuous replies towards someone else? His comments were made in the aftermath of Charlie Hebdo, and he explicitly stated that "You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others." He is a sick minded individual and ceo of one of the most evil corporations in history. And to answer your question, probably not, but if a punch was thrown, it would be the fault of the person throwing it.

K4t

RobertKK wrote: »

You claim to be:
Location: West of Ireland and Free From religion

Yet you probably post more on religion than any of us.

People have short memories. And I didn't create this thread.

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Wouldn't that make you a truly evil little man then?

Depends on your perspective I suppose.

riffmongous

Awful lot of 'Pope said this' threads going round the last weeks, cant we just have a megathread or something?

ScumLord

K4t wrote: »

Can you direct your disingenuous replies towards someone else?

If you don't want to discuss something don't bring it up.

and he explicitly stated that "You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others."

Your cherry picking what he actually said. What he basically says is that if you provoke someone don't be surprised if you get a reaction. It makes perfect sense.

Hitchens

nokia69 wrote: »

only when he talks about matters of faith

maybe faith does come into it somehow?

floggg

K4t wrote: »

Can you direct your disingenuous replies towards someone else? His comments were made in the aftermath of Charlie Hebdo, and he explicitly stated that "You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others." He is a sick minded individual and ceo of one of the most evil corporations in history. And to answer your question, probably not, but if a punch was thrown, it would be the fault of the person throwing it.

Does it matter when he said it?

He never said that anybody deserved it, he just pointed out that a punch was a highly probable reaction.

Also, Charli Hedbo would have been the first ones to make fun of an atrocity at others expense, so lets not get offended on their behalf about some insensitive timing.

floggg

K4t wrote: »

Pope Francis ~Said a week after the Charlie Hebdo murders. What a truly evil little man. I hope someone issues him a knockout punch some day.

Evil for saying kids should get a smack every now and then?

If so, my parents are apparently evil. Better call them and tell them.


I'm obviously not advocating beating a kid up or leaving bruises, but a little slap every now and then never did me (or the rest of my generation) any harm.

Much a do about nothing.

cork guitar player

Can kids smack the pope by any chance?

darkpagandeath

floggg wrote: »

Evil for saying kids should get a smack every now and then?

If so, my parents are apparently evil. Better call them and tell them.


I'm obviously not advocating beating a kid up or leaving bruises, but a little slap every now and then never did me (or the rest of my generation) any harm.

Much a do about nothing.

Not buying kids a new console at xmas now is grounds for them to call child line...

K4t

ScumLord wrote: »

Your cherry picking what he actually said. What he basically says is that if you provoke someone don't be surprised if you get a reaction. It makes perfect sense.

No. You're cherry picking what you think I meant, for reasons beyond my understanding. If you cannot see how the head of the largest religion in the world saying "You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others", a week after 12 journalists were murdered for publishing satirical depictions of the prophet Muhammad, is despicable behaviour, then imo you are either stupid, playing devil's advocate or being disingenuous. And I know you're not stupid.

Digital Solitude

cork guitar player wrote: »

Can kids smack the pope by any chance?

That's just what he wants!

floggg

K4t wrote: »

No. You're cherry picking what you think I meant, for reasons beyond my understanding. If you cannot see how the head of the largest religion in the world saying "You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others", a week after 12 journalists were murdered for publishing satirical depictions of the prophet Muhammad, is despicable behaviour, then imo you are either stupid, playing devil's advocate or being disingenuous. And I know you're not stupid.

It's not despicable. Poorly timed perhaps (but that's only because of people like yourself who over-react to these things and see any deviation from the socially accepted response to tragedy as despicable) but it's not like he ever once said they deseved it.


But he clearly did not like their style or their willingness to use religion to bait others and sell magazines, and it would be wrong of him to come out with meaningless platitudes for a magazine which offended his sensibilities just for the same of appeasing people such as yourself.

fleet_admiral

I smack my son occasionally when he is bold. I do it because I choose to use it as a form of discipline not because the leader if the worlds largest and most evil cult says its ok

1357

I've actually quite liked the new pope. But this whole "You cannot do this" or "You cannot do that" didn't sit too well with me.

You shouldn't do this or you shouldn't do that might have been acceptable. That would be just advice, and not an order or a warning. Listen Fran, I quite like you, for a pope - but nobody tells me what I can and cannot do.

K4t

floggg wrote: »

Does it matter when he said it?

12 journalists murdered for publishing satirical depictions of Muhammad.


1 week later - Pope Francis says - "You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others."


As the leader of the world's largest religion? Yes, I believe it does matter when he said it, especially as most of the world and media's gaze was centred on the Charlie Hebdo murders. But even if he had said it 10 years ago, it is still a despicable thing to say. It is a perfect example of the evil of religion, it is a support of blasphemy laws, and it is a support for the argument that those journalists should not have provoked those men to shoot them dead.

SaveOurLyric

"Pope condones physical violence against children"

floggg

K4t wrote: »

12 journalists murdered for publishing satirical depictions of Muhammad.


1 week later - Pope Francis says - "You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others."


As the leader of the world's largest religion? Yes, I believe it does matter when he said it, especially as most of the world and media's gaze was centred on the Charlie Hebdo murders. But even if he had said it 10 years ago, it is still a despicable thing to say. It is a perfect example of the evil of religion, it is a support of blasphemy laws, and it is a support for the argument that those journalists should not have provoked those men to shoot them dead.

The timing of the comment does not change its substance - it only changed how you (choose to) read it.

When read as a whole, I can find nothing disagreeable in his comments - and if there was I would likely be all too happy to jump on it.

I've no love it respect for the man or his position, but I refuse to manufact outrage.

Iranoutofideas

The way some people react to this they must think that people are advocating taking out a bold child with a Mike Tyson style uppercut to the snotbox.

FloatingVoter

The Pope is an old lad in Rome. He doesn't cross my mind from one end of the day to the next. Why are people who don't "believe in God / organised religion" constantly starting threads about the bloke.
I don't believe in Beatles therefore I don't start John Lennon threads.
I don't believe in GAA therefore you'll not find me in the GAA forum.
....and so on....
...Ringo, stop messing with the ****ing drums and make some tea.

haveringchick

People do whast they have to do to get by.
If some folk get by through obsessively posting on chat rooms about how very much they hate RCC, and their vitriol attracts them some badly needed notice, then really that's cool.
Nothing anybody can say can change the fact that Pope Francis is a sure fire superstar.

FloatingVoter

haveringchick wrote: »

Nothing anybody can say can change the fact that Pope Francis is a sure fire superstar.

Agreed. I mean the man named himself after the Chairman of the Boards himself, Francis Albert.
He's doin' it his way.

floggg

haveringchick wrote: »

People do whast they have to do to get by.
If some folk get by through obsessively posting on chat rooms about how very much they hate RCC, and their vitriol attracts them some badly needed notice, then really that's cool.
Nothing anybody can say can change the fact that Pope Francis is a sure fire superstar.

Not really - he's still the sexist homophobic leader of an organisation which oversaw an unprecedented cover up of horrendous and systematic abuse of children and vulnerable women, and whose policies do significant harm to tackler the HIV epidemic and over population in the developing world, against many other wrongs.

The only thing he's got going for him is that he's not anywhere near as much of a dick as the last guy. Still getting a lot more wrong than he's getting right though.

haveringchick

It's just as well nobody's making you pay any attention to anything he says , floggg or adhere to any of his recommendations. Your totally free to motor along there totally ignoring anything Pope Francis says or does.

K4t

floggg wrote: »

The timing of the comment does not change its substance - it only changed how you (choose to) read it.

When read as a whole, I can find nothing disagreeable in his comments - and if there was I would likely be all too happy to jump on it.

I've no love it respect for the man or his position, but I refuse to manufact outrage.

I am not manufacturing anything. The general apathy by a lot of people for the pope does not mean that I am manufacturing outrage.


"You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others."

That sentence said anytime is a dangerous remark from the leader of the largest religion in the world, and said 1 week after 12 journalists have been murdered for exerting their right to free expression by satirising a religious figure, is downright sinister and utterly despicable.

moc moc a moc

Welp, if the leader of the biggest group of organised child abusers in history says it's OK, then who am I to argue.

1357

haveringchick wrote: »

It's just as well nobody's making you pay any attention to anything he says , floggg or adhere to any of his recommendations. Your totally free to motor along there totally ignoring anything Pope Francis says or does.

Are they recommendations though? I mean if we take the word recommendation, as in, a suggestion or proposal as to the best course of action, especially one put forward by an authoritative body.

Then telling people they cannot do this or they cannot do that is surely an order or a demand or a threat or something other than a recommendation?

eviltwin

I don't think smacking should be seen as punishment of first resort. I know it's not easy to keep your cool and people lash out. It's the ones who smack with a clear head because they can't be bothered to try alternatives that bother me. Hitting a kid just don't sit right with me no matter what they do.

fungi_forest

who the **** cares what a man says. go shove a dildo up your hole if you complain about it.

if he said you should not smack your kid you would complain about that.

stupid human scum

MRnotlob606

I am a Catholic. But he is right

1357

eviltwin wrote: »

Hitting a kid just don't sit right with me no matter what they do.

I get this. I do.

I just happen to think if it's in a "C'mere ye pup, you must never dash onto the road and into the path of a huge, deadly, moving-at-speed, metal, machine" followed with a mild (I do get what you're saying, I feel quite bad even writing the following word when talking of a child) slap, kind of way.

There's a weird world beyond words. Beyond our modern understandings.

We are apes remember. In fact I'm after probably just proving that with my words above (the weird world beyond words, and not that we are apes, obviously).

Interesting! Why do I think, generally, it's not OK to slap a child, but think it's acceptable in the instance of the child running out onto a road?

Is it in my genes? Did my great, great, great, great grandfathers child run in front of a galloping horse?

Hmmmm!

crockholm

It is actually the perfect time to start slapping your kids,when they are Young-they are smaller than you and relatively weak-you dont want to start hitting them when they are 25 and you are in your 50's-your odds decrease with age, so pimp-slap a toddler, while you still can.