2/3 of your extortionate motor tax is now confirmed diverted to Irish Water

renegademaster

i'm sure those who are lucky enough to be keeping a car on the road will be delighted to hear that your motor tax, as well as your local property tax is now being pumped into IW. i wish you all the very best of luck renewing your NCT

L1011

Actual figures?

coylemj

If you choose to, you can take any individual tax revenue and pair it off with any item of expenditure to suit your prejudice ....

Examples (not based on real numbers) ......

All VAT from childrens' school uniforms goes to pay TDs wages and travel expenses
All VAT from wheelchairs and aids for the disabled goes to pay ministers' pensions

None of which mean anything. Your thread title mentions 'motor tax' and then you have a go at the NCT which by the way is self-funding. I think you have a bee in your bonnet an agenda and are prepared to concoct any propaganda to air your grievance.

renegademaster

L1011 wrote: »

Actual figures?

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0205/678056-pac-water/

coylemj wrote: »

If you choose to, you can take any individual tax revenue and pair it off with any item of expenditure to suit your prejudice ....

Examples (not based on real numbers) ......

All VAT from childrens' school uniforms goes to pay TDs wages and travel expenses
All VAT from wheelchairs and aids for the disabled goes to pay ministers' pensions

None of which mean anything. Your thread title mentions 'motor tax' and then you have a go at the NCT which by the way is self-funding. I think you have a bee in your bonnet an agenda and are prepared to concoct any propaganda to air your grievance.

the thread title mentions motor tax, yes you are correct, and i tied the NCT into it because with less money being spent on roads then you're more likely to suffer damage to your car and hence maybe not pass your nct.

coylemj

renegademaster wrote: »

the thread title mentions motor tax, yes you are correct, and i tied the NCT into it because with less money being spent on roads then you're more likely to suffer damage to your car and hence maybe not pass your nct.

Why do you say 'less money' is being spent on roads - less money then when? Water always cost money to produce, the only difference now is that the job of producing it has been taken away from local authorities and handed over to Irish Water.

Whatever money is being handed to Irish Water is the same money that used to be given to local authorities to do the same job. You seem to be implying that this is some new expenditure that is diverting money that would otherwise be spent on roads, it is not.

In any event, the revenue from motor tax was never ring-fenced for road maintenance.

L1011

So no actual figures. Figured so...

Geuze

Note that all motor tax goes into the LGF Local Govt Fund.

"Local Government Fund - General Purpose Grant

The Local Government Fund (LGF) is a special central fund which was established in 1999 under the Local Government Act 1998. It is financed by the full proceeds of motor tax and an Exchequer contribution. The Fund provides local authorities with the finance for general discretionary funding of their day-to-day activities and for non-national roads, and funding for certain local government initiatives."


Also note that the LPT now also goes into the same fund.

All the fund is paid in grants to local authorities.

Some grants for roads, other general purpose grants.

So please note that your motor tax ALWAYS paid towards running water plants.

Geuze

http://www.environ.ie/en/Publications/LocalGovernment/Administration/#d.en.35400



Here are the accounts of the LGF:

http://www.environ.ie/en/Publications/LocalGovernment/Administration/FileDownLoad,39429,en.pdf

Geuze

renegademaster wrote: »

i'm sure those who are lucky enough to be keeping a car on the road will be delighted to hear that your motor tax, as well as your local property tax is now being pumped into IW. i wish you all the very best of luck renewing your NCT

This is correct, and has been the case for many years.

Nothing new here.


Motor tax has always been spent on local services, incl. local roads and water.

Idbatterim

2/3 of your extortionate motor tax is now confirmed diverted to Irish Water

At least with motor tax you have the choice, buy a cheapish to tax emissions based car or even the CC are cheap enough for anything below 1.6L IMO. At least this is one tax where you have the choice. If you want to talk about extortion, the only ones being extorted on any tax here IMO are those paying the marginal rate of tax, the rich on 33,800 up, enough to live like a king here in Dublin...

antoobrien

renegademaster wrote: »

i'm sure those who are lucky enough to be keeping a car on the road will be delighted to hear that your motor tax, as well as your local property tax is now being pumped into IW. i wish you all the very best of luck renewing your NCT

The fact that only 1/3 of motor tax can be used for road maintenance has been true since the abolition of private water rates.

The fact that this somehow is news to people is symptomatic of the cloud of blissful ignorance that people have been living under for many years.

endacl

2/3 of MY motor tax pays for landscaping in hospital gardens. I don't know what they use the rest for. I didn't nominate when I filled out the form, allocating how my contributions are to be spent.

Did you not get the form, op?

Valetta

renegademaster wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0205/678056-pac-water/

Nowhere does it say 2/3 of motor tax goes to IW.

Where are you coming up with the figure?

Maybe you should change the thread title to something meaningful

elastico

coylemj wrote: »

If
All VAT from childrens' school uniforms goes to pay TDs wages and travel expenses

I just want to state that there is no VAT on childrens school uniforms, but I agree your general point is still valid.

munchkin_utd

the problem is that income tax is too low (or actually more accurately allowances too high)/ social charges dont cover social programmes/ council tax doesnt cover council expenditure/ water charges dont cover water expenditure
- so that all the indirect taxes like motor tax and excise duties go to make up the difference on the various categories of expenditure that folks dont want to actually pay for.

and as for a free medical system that happens to cost about €3000 per head, man woman and child - thats just pure magic how it gets funded.

Iwannahurl

The Irish Water connection is what will get many people exercised.

There may be quite a few people who have no awareness of the Local Government Fund (LGF), and its sources of revenue, but once Motor Tax (which many motorists and car marketing people continue to portray as something rather different) and Irish Water are mentioned in the same breath then tempers will rise and umbrage will be taken.

Local Property Tax (LPT) also goes into the LGF, and the Motor Tax to LPT ratio is about 2:1.

This ensures that Local Authorities are unable to break their addiction to private motor transport.

AlekSmart

antoobrien wrote: »

The fact that only 1/3 of motor tax can be used for road maintenance has been true since the abolition of private water rates.

The fact that this somehow is news to people is symptomatic of the cloud of blissful ignorance that people have been living under for many years.

This "Facts" business is all well n good,but tends to spoil a good oul rant,so we'll have none of that sorta thing here,thank you very much

A quick flick through the vast archive of shoutin n' roarin "XXXX says NO" video clips on U-Tube et al,will reveal a truly impressive level of ignorance,much of it studied,but a frighteneing amount still very real.

renegademaster

Valetta wrote: »

Nowhere does it say 2/3 of motor tax goes to IW.

Where are you coming up with the figure?

Maybe you should change the thread title to something meaningful

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/motor-tax-cash-used-to-fund-irish-water-30968852.html

This is a fund where revenues from motor tax and local property tax payments are deposited by the State.
Traditionally, the money in this fund was given to local authorities to maintain services and regional roads.
However, this changed last year and a further payment from the same fund, expected to be €399m, will be made this year.
Department of Environment secretary general John McCarthy told the Dáil Public Accounts Committee (PAC) there was nothing unusual about the source of the funds.
He said motor tax proceeds were used to fund a range of things, including the subvention to Irish Water.
The committee was told that two-thirds of the subvention originated from motor tax payments.
PAC chairman John McGuinness said it was difficult to justify this when councils were being "starved of money to fix the potholes".

Graham

How much of the LGF used to be spent by local authorities to manage and maintain water services?

Guy:Incognito

renegademaster wrote: »

2/3 of your extortionate motor tax is now confirmed diverted to Irish Water

renegademaster wrote: »

[
However, this changed last year and a further payment from the same fund, expected to be €399m, will be made this year.
.
He said motor tax proceeds were used to fund a range of things, including the subvention to Irish Water.
The committee was told that two-thirds of the subvention originated from motor tax payments.
".

Two thirds of the amount given to Irish water coming from motor tax is not the same as two thirds of motor tax going to Irish water. Your line in red and your thread title are two different things.

As for the subject of them getting money anyway, seeing as no one has had a bill yet, how do you reckon the lads have been getting paid? Did you think they were working for free for the first year or so till money from bills started coming in?

renegademaster

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Two thirds of the amount given to Irish water coming from motor tax is not the same as two thirds of motor tax going to Irish water. Your line in red and your thread title are two different things.

As for the subject of them getting money anyway, seeing as no one has had a bill yet, how do you reckon the lads have been getting paid? Did you think they were working for free for the first year or so till money from bills started coming in?

irish water will inevitably be brought down by non-payment and what will we do to recover the €1,000,000,000+ that's been thrown at this latest quango?

monument

renegademaster wrote: »

irish water will inevitably be brought down by non-payment and what will we do to recover the €1,000,000,000+ that's been thrown at this latest quango?

This thread does not belong in Commuting and Transport or any transport related forum. Locked.