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Tax is in arrears but I wasn't able to tax it?

  • 05-02-2015 1:03am
    #1
    Henleyz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 ✭


    Basically, I bought a car with tax that ended the 30th of November on the 9th of January, he sent the log book to Shannon the next day, I only received it on Monday the 2nd of Feb and now I'm in arrears of 70 euro between the 1st of Jan and the 31st of Jan, it even says on MotorTax.ie that the car was changed over to my name and a log book sent out on the 29th of Jan which was a Thursday and I received the book the following Monday the 2nd of Feb, and because of this I need to pay an extra 70 quid?

    Not a lot of money but I'm still fuming, how do I get out of this mess as it wasn't my fault at all?


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  • #2
    mickdw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,688 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    You bought a car on 9th of January. You therefore owe tax for entire month of January.


  • #3
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    mickdw wrote: »
    You bought a car on 9th of January. You therefore owe tax for entire month of January.


    Not really.. It could've been off the road.. OP cant declare or tax until getting the log book, as far as I am lead to believe..?


  • #4
    Henleyz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 ✭Henleyz


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Not really.. It could've been off the road.. OP cant declare or tax until getting the log book, as far as I am lead to believe..?

    Yeah I was waiting for the book to tax it, but I got the only Monday, there was absolutely noway that I could tax it in January, if I had the log book sooner I would have...


  • #5
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Henleyz wrote: »
    Yeah I was waiting for the book to tax it, but I got the only Monday, there was absolutely noway that I could tax it in January, if I had the log book sooner I would have...


    Declare it off the road..?


  • #6
    Henleyz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 ✭Henleyz


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Declare it off the road..?

    What do you mean? I was planning on Taxing it in the morning when my paycheck comes in but I'm not paying an extra 70 quid...


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  • #7
    9935452
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭9935452


    Henleyz wrote: »
    What do you mean? I was planning on Taxing it in the morning when my paycheck comes in but I'm not paying an extra 70 quid...

    I stand to be corrected but you have 10 days to declare it off the road.
    Out of curiosity did you have the car on the road or was it off the road?


  • #8
    Henleyz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 ✭Henleyz


    9935452 wrote: »
    I stand to be corrected but you have 10 days to declare it off the road.
    Out of curiosity did you have the car on the road or was it off the road?

    I bought it and it was parked up while I was waiting for the log book to tax it, I don't think it was declared off the road, I bought it from a dealer, he let the tax run out and then sold it to me, I got the log book on the last day of January practically (impossible to tax it that day too) and now I owe 70 because they issued it to me at the end of January but I never received it til feb 2nd...


  • #9
    9935452
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭9935452


    Henleyz wrote: »
    I bought it and it was parked up while I was waiting for the log book to tax it, I don't think it was declared off the road, I bought it from a dealer, he let the tax run out and then sold it to me, I got the log book on the last day of January practically (impossible to tax it that day too) and now I owe 70 because they issued it to me at the end of January but I never received it til feb 2nd...

    'If you have just bought a new vehicle or just acquired a second hand one and do not intend to use it immediately, you will have ten days from the date of purchase (as specified in the registration document or the notification of transfer of vehicle ownership) to furnish a declaration of non-use'

    I think you will be caught for it . you are over the 10 days .
    If you really don t want to pay the 70 euro , the only way i see id transfer the ownership to someone else and transfer it back. otherwise pay the 70 quid.


    you dont need a logbook to declare it off the road form RF150 is the form needed


  • #10
    evosteo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,401 ✭✭✭evosteo


    This is a consequence of the new ****ty rules brought in. You could buy a car from somebody on the last day or two of the month and you liable for the tax on that car retrospectively for that month. Suppose the only lesson to be learned here is to only buy a car/ change ownership at the start of a month.


  • #11
    9935452
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭9935452


    evosteo wrote: »
    This is a consequence of the new ****ty rules brought in. You could buy a car from somebody on the last day or two of the month and you liable for the tax on that car retrospectively for that month. Suppose the only lesson to be learned here is to only buy a car/ change ownership at the start of a month.

    Agree but i would consider the 9th to be the start of the month.
    Option b is buy a car with tax. Option C is drive with no tax til the logbook arrives, if you get caught explain the situation and worst case scenario is just pay the tax you were going to pay anyhow.


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  • #12
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    Henleyz wrote: »
    What do you mean? I was planning on Taxing it in the morning when my paycheck comes in but I'm not paying an extra 70 quid...

    it's not an extra €70, it's the 70 euro for January. Once the tax is out a month you can't tax it in the normal way and must pay for 3/6/12 months plus the arrears. So if you taxed in January you'd have a tax disc up to end march...if you tax it now, you'll get a tax disc to end April.


  • #13
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    evosteo wrote: »
    This is a consequence of the new ****ty rules brought in. You could buy a car from somebody on the last day or two of the month and you liable for the tax on that car retrospectively for that month. Suppose the only lesson to be learned here is to only buy a car/ change ownership at the start of a month.

    that's nothing to do with the "new" rules. It has always been the case that you have to pay the tax back to the first of the month of purchase. (Bear in mind this guy bought on the 9th, not thelast few days.)


  • #14
    CJhaughey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,907 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


    You can do it online once you have sent the logbook in to Shannon, keep checking the motortax.ie website in the transactions section.
    When you see it has been processed then you can request a PIN online and tax it that way.
    You don't need a physical logbook to tax it.


  • #15
    ianob7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 715 ✭✭✭ianob7


    I think some tax offices allow 28 days from date of purchase to declare off the road ....


  • #16
    mgbgt1978
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,261 ✭✭✭mgbgt1978


    http://www.environ.ie/en/LocalGovernment/MotorTax/QA-DeclaringaVehicleOffTheRoad/
    I think they don't ;)


  • #17
    Colonial
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87 ✭✭Colonial


    Henleyz wrote: »
    Yeah I was waiting for the book to tax it, but I got the only Monday, there was absolutely noway that I could tax it in January, if I had the log book sooner I would have...

    Its a stupid law from this government. Just change the car into someone elses name for 24 hours and back to wipe it...


  • #18
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    yes it's stupid. I wonder how many years it will take to amend it


  • #19
    goz83
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,035 ✭✭✭goz83


    It can be worked around in some cases, but the car was bought on the 9th, so it should have been transferred a few days later. Part of the problem is relying on the owner to post the logbook. Sometimes they forget to post it. We should be able to transfer ownership online, using the PIN system and the physical logbook can be a formality, or part of history.

    I bought a car on January 23rd. The tax ran out at the end of December. I was sending the car to the bodyshop for a bumper repair, so I was not going to pay a months of road tax when the car was not mine for most of the month and wasn't to be used for the rest of the month. So, I asked the seller to date it for Feb 1st and delay posting it until the end of the month. It worked out well. I paid for 3 months tax the moment it changed ownership online. Vlc arrived today.


  • #20
    mayota
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭mayota


    corktina wrote: »
    it's not an extra €70, it's the 70 euro for January. Once the tax is out a month you can't tax it in the normal way and must pay for 3/6/12 months plus the arrears. So if you taxed in January you'd have a tax disc up to end march...if you tax it now, you'll get a tax disc to end April.

    I thought you get til the 7th of the month before 'arrears' kick in. i.e. If OP can still tax the car tomorrow for 3, 6 or 12 months and the disc will start January.


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