why do elites want to cripple us so much

lufties

By us I mean the little people, the 99%..in recent years I've become more aware of how the world is operated..rich getting richer and..you know the rest. I do wonder why the elites of the world want to constantly battle with us as fellow humans to extract money and squeeze as much as possible. You would think that the rupert murdochs/Rothschilds of this planet would have enough wealth to be satisfied, surely they have the sense to realise they are not immortal. Having thought about this a bit, I can only come to the conclusion that its about power and control, and that sociopaths are at the helm.

The Backwards Man

The only people that they cripple are the people who believe they exist.

There are many other problems facing the people of world more important than the hysterical fear of a secret society consisting of Rupert Murdoch, the Rothschilds, the Queen, David Beckham, Bill Gates, Paris Hilton, a few Sheiks and oligarchs and the Mexican buck that sells mobile phones.

It's beyond ridiculous.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Keep in mind that most Irish people are not among that 99% being bandied about all week. It's a global figure, not an Irish one.
Enjoy being among the 1% and forget the histrionics. It's no big conspiracy.

lufties

The Backwards Man wrote: »

The only people that they cripple are the people who believe they exist.

There are many other problems facing the people of world more important than the hysterical fear of a secret society consisting of Rupert Murdoch, the Rothschilds, the Queen, David Beckham, Bill Gates, Paris Hilton, a few Sheiks and oligarchs and the Mexican buck that sells mobile phones.

It's beyond ridiculous.

Like what? War? Starvation? Why do a family of 6 people have the same wealth as 30percent of americans. The reason for war in Iraq is for oil primarily.

One eyed Jack

lufties wrote: »

By us I mean the little people, the 99%.. in recent years I've become more aware of how the world is operated..rich getting richer and..you know the rest. I do wonder why the elites of the world want to constantly battle with us as fellow humans to extract money and squeeze as much as possible. You would think that the rupert murdochs/Rothschilds of this planet would have enough wealth to be satisfied, surely they have the sense to realise they are not immortal. Having thought about this a bit, I can only come to the conclusion that its about power and control, and that sociopaths are at the helm.

Don't believe all that nonsense about "the little people" and the "99%". Nobody wants to crush you or oppress you or anything else. They're no different than the 99% of the world who are motivated to better themselves in life, and then there's the 1% who feel the world owes them a living, the type of self-absorbed idiot who doesn't want to contribute to society, but feels society should be made to feel pity for them.

99% of people ain't got time for the 1%.

blinding

I guess because they can and we are daft enough to let them.

GoldFour4

I heard that Murdoch has a room in his house where he just drowns kittens when he's bored. God damn the 1%.

TheBeardedLady

Oooooh a Lufties thread! *Gets popcorn*

One eyed Jack

TheBeardedLady wrote: »

Oooooh a Lufties thread! *Gets popcorn*

We gonna need a bigger bag!

emo72

its basically like "Highlander" there can be only one.basically its a battle of the worlds elite and they are trying to beat each other until only one remains. then he gets to be the supreme being and then we are all ****ed. the chosen ones will be able to afford iphones.

RobertKK

The person who cripples one the most is ones self. Believing you are downtrodden and there is nothing you can do, well you just have set yourself up for failure.
People need to believe in themselves, avoid depending on the state, guaranteed failure if you think the state can change your circumstances, it can assist but you have to make the changes.

I never see myself as downtrodden, I am always looking for ways to become the next Rothschild.
I believe my destiny lies in my own hands, the choices I make, not the choices of others.

There is no elite crippling me, people need to do stuff for themselves and make stuff happen for themselves.

Nodin

malistheman wrote: »

I heard that Murdoch has a room in his house where he just drowns kittens when he's bored. God damn the 1%.

Rubbish.












He has a man who does the drowning for him.

lufties

RobertKK wrote: »

The person who cripples one the most is ones self. Believing you are downtrodden and there is nothing you can do, well you just have set yourself up for failure.
People need to believe in themselves, avoid depending on the state, guaranteed failure if you think the state can change your circumstances, it can assist but you have to make the changes.

I never see myself as downtrodden, I am always looking for ways to become the next Rothschild.
I believe my destiny lies in my own hands, the choices I make, not the choices of others.

There is no elite crippling me, people need to do stuff for themselves and make stuff happen for themselves.

With respect, that is a load of hogwash..I don't think I'm downtrodden, I've been lucky in life to have been able to work and travel in many countries. I just think the world could be run better, and fairer. Money controls our civilisation, not politicians.

lufties

TheBeardedLady wrote: »

Oooooh a Lufties thread! *Gets popcorn*

Awe so sweet, thanks.

Patser

lufties wrote: »

By us I mean the little people

Little people? What about this obesity epidemic we keep hearing abou?

One eyed Jack

lufties wrote: »

With respect, that is a load of hogwash..I don't think I'm downtrodden, I've been lucky in life to have been able to work and travel in many countries. I just think the world could be run better, and fairer. Money controls our civilisation, not politicians.

You clearly stated in your opening post -

lufties wrote: »

By us I mean the little people

And now you claim you don't feel downtrodden?

Wha'?

TheBeardedLady

*takes another piece of popcorn*

bb1234567

You as a citizen of Ireland are probably among the top 15-20% of the wealthiest people in the world, so shush. Im sure lots of poor africans working back breaking labour day in day out for 2 cents an hour think of you and everyone you know as the 1% you're talking about.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

lufties wrote: »

By us I mean the little people...

Sorry, I misread the OP. Yes, the Leprechauns are being persecuted but you must keep in mind all that gold they have access to and never seem to spend.

Reg'stoy

I think those who worry and spend all their time looking up with envy at the '1%' above them; tend not to realise that more often than not it is themselves who are pissing on their shoes.

I couldn't care less about those above me, only that I on occasion reach down and help those below me.

KomradeBishop

There is no conscious plan/conspiracy among 'elites', to cripple anyone - but there are a lot of self-interested and powerful groups in the world, who will try to maximize their power/influence without caring about the negative effects that will have on others (many of which, probably don't even believe those negative effects happen) - and dysfunctional economic/political systems that cause those negative effects to fall on society overall.

You don't need conspiracies, to show how actions of 'elites' i.e. powerful groups within societies, end up harming the rest of society.

You don't need to be 'ungrateful' of your privileged position in the world either (Ireland being fairly wealthy compared to e.g. African nations), to realize that letting these 'elites' keep on gaining more and more wealth/power at their current rate, is going to threaten both our standard of living and the future of our democracies.

Contrary to what has been claimed over the last number of years, we've not been on the path to economic recovery at all - and it's about to get a whole lot worse again, with no change in sight. We are going to have permanent stagnation, Japanese style, and wealth will keep on being redistributed upwards - if people want to avoid or change that, they're going to need to start giving a toss first.

lufties

KomradeBishop wrote: »

There is no conscious plan/conspiracy among 'elites', to cripple anyone - but there are a lot of self-interested and powerful groups in the world, who will try to maximize their power/influence without caring about the negative effects that will have on others (many of which, probably don't even believe those negative effects happen) - and dysfunctional economic/political systems that cause those negative effects to fall on society overall.

You don't need conspiracies, to show how actions of 'elites' i.e. powerful groups within societies, end up harming the rest of society.

You don't need to be 'ungrateful' of your privileged position in the world either (Ireland being fairly wealthy compared to e.g. African nations), to realize that letting these 'elites' keep on gaining more and more wealth/power at their current rate, is going to threaten both our standard of living and the future of our democracies.

Contrary to what has been claimed over the last number of years, we've not been on the path to economic recovery at all - and it's about to get a whole lot worse again, with no change in sight. We are going to have permanent stagnation, Japanese style, and wealth will keep on being redistributed upwards - if people want to avoid or change that, they're going to need to start giving a toss first.

The ecb can create money with keys on a computer, yet the celtic tiger property bubble was a massive transfer of wealth and nationalisation of private failed banks in the name of neo liberal capitalism. People's lives were ruined in the process.

Desolation Of Smug

The ones spouting "it's all grand, you're imagining it.." ought to go do some research. See who benefited from the world wars, the deaths of millions of people. Have a think of how ruthless you need to be to stomach that for profit, and to keep on doing the same for decades afterwards - then come back with the "ohh, there's no elite, you're a fantasist" shyte.

20Cent

Hoard anything besides money and people think you have a mental disorder.

It's not the 1% that you have to worry about, globally there are about 70 million of them.
It's the 0.01% who are the real movers & shakers of the world you need to look at, all 700k of them, these are the ones who can make or break a country when they decide where to move their money.

As has already been stated, these people do not collaborate to squeeze people, after all it's in their best interests that the 99.99% are spending as they get a cut of every transaction in their sphere of influence.

Unfortunately, they are usually greedy as well, the globalisation of industry (jobs moved to cheaper Asian countries) will ultimately pull the rug from the western elites feet as much of the income that used to go their way is now going East.

In the long term the West will be a much poorer place after having exported al the primary industrial jobs away, now the Chinese are starting to make reai inroads into the upper level jobs as well. We are already seeing Chinese brands replacing Well known Western ones, with these imports, all the income is Going East rather than a Western trader getting stuff made in China cheaply.

K4t

You first have to acknowledge that they are your "elites" and once you do that you have already crippled yourself.

The standard of living in the western world is better than it ever has been for the majority of people. Could and should it be better? Yes. Why isn't it? Economics is not an exact science.

biko

"Why <something> so much?"
A technique of implying something exists where it may not exist at all.

LeinsterDub

You live in a western democracy with a super high standard of living . Too someone in the poorest parts of the world you are the 1%

K4t

K4t wrote: »

You first have to acknowledge that they are your "elites" and once you do that you have already crippled yourself.

The standard of living in the western world is better than it ever has been for the majority of people. Could and should it be better? Yes. Why isn't it? Economics is not an exact science.

It is true that living standards are at an all time high, the fear is they may have "peaked" due to the exportation of so many jobs East and the fact that local industries can never compete with Chinese goods being imported and sold in supermarkets.

Fewer lower paid unskilled jobs mean that there will always be a stubbornly high unemployment rate, in addition to a larger number of jobs falling into the minimum wage bracket due to the surplus of people to fill them. Increasing the number of low waged jobs will ultimately have a knock on effect that reduces the general living standards of a larger number as wage deflation takes hold.

Recent economic improvements have temporarily halted the trend, But I suspect that this improvement will be short lived.

Roger_007

To anyone who says to me 'isn't it obscene the amount of money that Denis O'Brien or J P McManus or Bill Gates have?', I just say to them 'Why don't you do what they do?'
To those who talk about the wealthy elite, the top 1% or the top 10%, just remember that most Irish people are in the top 10% of the worlds population and virtually all Irish people are in the top half.

shruikan2553

As it has been mentioned by living in Ireland you are probably in the top 10%

The 1% want money so they can afford what they want, the top 10% is no different.

lufties

LeinsterDub wrote: »

You live in a western democracy with a super high standard of living . Too someone in the poorest parts of the world you are the 1%

Thats not the point. Michael noonan chased a woman to the grave for money as a political point. This scumbag is still in public office, Take a look around you, more taxes, property prices on the increase, less(decent) jobs, less money for more, less pension value, later retirement age, less job security, more consuming, more mass media in a race to the bottom etc etc

lufties

TheBeardedLady wrote: »

Oooooh a Lufties thread! *Gets popcorn*

I'm too controversial aren't I? Oops ....can't be have opinions that differ popular consensous..careful now..don't let the side down

Venus In Furs

Roger_007 wrote: »

To anyone who says to me 'isn't it obscene the amount of money that Denis O'Brien or J P McManus or Bill Gates have?', I just say to them 'Why don't you do what they do?'

I'm not critical of the money they make - they're private entrepreneurs.
You need to be a certain type of person to be that successful in business though. I don't even say that as a criticism, just recognition of a reality.

Venus In Furs

lufties wrote: »

I'm too controversial aren't I? Oops ....can't be have opinions that differ popular consensous..careful now..don't let the side down

Ha, love these self proclaimed "unpopular opinion" purveyors. They know the truuuuuth.
Your view isn't controversial at all btw.

Sometimes people question views like that above because they're not particularly well supported - it's not all about being shocked at "controversy".

lufties

Venus In Furs wrote: »

Ha, love these self proclaimed "unpopular opinion" purveyors. They know the truuuuuth.
Your view isn't controversial at all btw.

Well maybe not to you, but comments like 'ooh a lufties thread' could be construed as being either a sly dig, or by that person suggesting my threads are in some way entertaining or controversial. I'd be inclined to think the former though.

TheBeardedLady

lufties wrote: »

I'm too controversial aren't I? Oops ....can't be have opinions that differ popular consensous..careful now..don't let the side down

Yep, you're a reeeeeal renegade, Lufties.

TheBeardedLady

lufties wrote: »

Well maybe not to you, but comments like 'ooh a lufties thread' could be construed as being either a sly dig, or by that person suggesting my threads are in some way entertaining or controversial.

You're paranoid. I was joking. Lighten up.

lufties

TheBeardedLady wrote: »

You're paranoid. I was joking. Lighten up.

Ahhhh, you were joking? sheesh..silly me

TheBeardedLady

lufties wrote: »

Ahhhh, you were joking? sheesh..silly me

:rolleyes:

lufties

TheBeardedLady wrote: »

Yep, you're a reeeeeal renegade, Lufties.

There you go again, your so funny hahahaha

TheBeardedLady

lufties wrote: »

There you go again, your so funny hahahaha

Ah deary me. Night night, Lufties.

Turtwig

Honestly the "elites" are scapegoats for many internalized problems. It's convenient to blame the bankers, the EU, the developers as it was their fault but most of this recession was our own fault. Now that we look to be on the edge of the woods we want to increase public spending and lower social charges. It's madness but I guess the key point ,like the recession before us, is had any government controlled public spending differently they wouldn't have been elected. The same applies for the current group if they don't increase public spending we won't elect them. (We probably won't anyway)
Then when the bubble bursts again we'll blame whoever else we can but ourselves.

ressem

People's lives were ruined in the process.

Whose? That was not the cause of the job losses, or the increases in tax, or water/property/wealth taxes.
Trying to preserve state pension payments at the levels that the bubble permitted has a larger contribution to the national debt.(€147 2002 to €230 2009). Worth the tax increases, yeah I think, if we can get the debt down before the next interest rate shock.

What form has the global wealth?
- Commercial property, residential property, agricultural property, property with resources (tapped and untapped mineral wealth)
- Pension funds, Insurance reserves
- Equities, privately held companies
- Art
- Cash reserves
- Infrastructure
- Working assets (machinery, your phone / laptop)
- Loans/ bonds expected to be repaid

Also does the same underlying asset get counted multiple times?

The lowest 2 billion are those in net debt. People will trade themselves into this category in the hope of future gains. i.e. borrowing for education.
Maybe it's a bad way of measuring the people most in trouble across the world.


All have very different effects on the poorest.

- Pricing out the poorest in the third world from agricultural land is a concern, where there may be no substitute work (how many armies are stuffed with men/ kids seeking a source for food).

- Or pricing out people from housing / education is a concern.
- Owning an unused phosphate mine might be a concern.
- Excessively valued patents might be a concern.
- Excessively valued trademarks are not.
- Excessively valued man-made islands/ skyscrapers in Dubai is not.
- Excessively priced old Van Gogh is not.
- Excessively valued football club shares is not.

(Well there's some opportunity loss, in that economy improving infrastructure didn't get built, but the state doesn't do much of that either )

lufties

TheBeardedLady wrote: »

Ah deary me. Night night, Lufties.

Ah don't leave yet you made some very poignant contributions to the thread..

Venus In Furs

lufties wrote: »

Well maybe not to you, but comments like 'ooh a lufties thread' could be construed as being either a sly dig, or by that person suggesting my threads are in some way entertaining or controversial. I'd be inclined to think the former though.

Why not entertaining?

evo2000

There is a small percentage of people that hoard most of the worlds wealth alot of it in off shore accounts so it cant be taxed, its far from a conspiracy unfortunetly, that will never change greed is human nature!

http://www.forbes.com/sites/laurashin/2014/01/23/the-85-richest-people-in-the-world-have-as-much-wealth-as-the-3-5-billion-poorest/

The rich create the rules! the poor live by them!

lufties

Turtwig wrote: »

Honestly the "elites" are scapegoats for many internalized problems. It's convenient to blame the bankers, the EU, the developers as it was their fault but most of this recession was our own fault. Now that we look to be on the edge of the woods we want to increase public spending and lower social charges. It's madness but I guess the key point ,like the recession before us, is had any government controlled public spending differently they wouldn't have been elected. The same applies for the current group if they don't increase public spending we won't elect them. (We probably won't anyway)
Then when the bubble bursts again we'll blame whoever else we can but ourselves.

Is that you enda? Politicians, banks and media colluded in creating a property bubble from 1998 to 2007, speculators deliberately manipulating and driving up property prices. Most people I know who 'bought', just wanted to have their own home. Stop saying it was the fault of ordinary people. The 'elites' of society gambled and ended up with there money back and unaccountable.

MRnotlob606

Bill Gates and Warren Buffet actually do more for poverty than what the 99% does.

porsche959

lufties wrote: »

By us I mean the little people, the 99%..in recent years I've become more aware of how the world is operated..rich getting richer and..you know the rest. I do wonder why the elites of the world want to constantly battle with us as fellow humans to extract money and squeeze as much as possible. You would think that the rupert murdochs/Rothschilds of this planet would have enough wealth to be satisfied, surely they have the sense to realise they are not immortal. Having thought about this a bit, I can only come to the conclusion that its about power and control, and that sociopaths are at the helm.

They don't, the opposite is the case if anything. They want us to keep buying tat. It was buying too much tat financed by credit that got us into this mess in the first place. Currently what we are seeing is a transfer of relative economic power from west to east in part because the west got over-leveraged.

lufties

Venus In Furs wrote: »

Why not entertaining?

Simply because if I respected someone(or there opinions), I wouldn't jump in with throwaway comments trying to take the piss. I'd at least give an opinion on the thread topic.