aa x brfr cow what bull

charolais0153

I have a springer here who is after having a saler bull calf no bother.i was just wondering what bull I shud use for next year she is jet black , nice wide long animal
I wsa think ing bout givin her an easy calving charolais bull preferably with dovea (not rhi) any other bull dat wud have a reasonably muscled calf any suggestions would be appreciated

Kovu

If you use a ch you have a chance of the calf coming a mousey colour which the buyers don't usually like. I know it shouldn't but it usually affects the selling price. What about a LM or an easy blue? Something like MBP limousin or HDX blue. Both would bring a nice stylish sort of calf.

wiggy123

agree with kovu..re calf colour from a char.. possibly been brown, buyers dislike..why am unsure.. as are great stock.... try a blue on her??tall BB.. or even a partenise??

Bullocks

Kovu wrote: »

If you use a ch you have a chance of the calf coming a mousey colour which the buyers don't usually like. I know it shouldn't but it usually affects the selling price. What about a LM or an easy blue? Something like MBP limousin or HDX blue. Both would bring a nice stylish sort of calf.

MBP - the only bulls code I can remember . He is the only ai bull that brought consistently good calves out of our aaxfr cows .
The blues are alright but the odd one doesn't have great growth I've noticed from our black cows

wiggy123

true... don't know much re BB bulls... what about Simmental.. could get a nice hfr, milky.. + markings...

Bullocks

wiggy123 wrote: »

true... don't know much re BB bulls... what about Simmental.. could get a nice hfr, milky.. + markings...

I wouldnt be too concerned with milk when she is that close to fr breeding yet , even if I was looking for a heifer I'd sooner bring a bit of muscle/style while knowing the milk should still be in the breed .

charolais0153

wiggy123 wrote: »

true... don't know much re BB bulls... what about Simmental.. could get a nice hfr, milky.. + markings...

i gave simm to a similar cow before mousey colour with white head she has smashing limmy calfs but they are bad sellers

charolais0153

wiggy123 wrote: »

agree with kovu..re calf colour from a char.. possibly been brown, buyers dislike..why am unsure.. as are great stock.... try a blue on her??tall BB.. or even a partenise??

what cows are partenise suited to. What colour wud it be i had charolais out of aax cows they wouldn't sell dat bad they were usually greyish more than brown

Mac Taylor

If selling as weanlings stay away from ch, bad colour and poor sellers. (First hand experience) lim is not a bad cross as long as the calve leaves as much of the AA genes behind him. To be fair the aax cow is only suitable for the guy finishing all his own calves.

deerejohn

I am on the road ai'ing for Munster ai....
The best calves I have seen out of aaxfr cows are bb. The cows generally have plenty milk to drive and shape the bb calf. But having said you need to use the very best bulls that are calfable.
The 2 I use for this are stq(sultan) and ajy(adayjo)

charolais0153

deerejohn wrote: »

I am on the road ai'ing for Munster ai....
The best calves I have seen out of aaxfr cows are bb. The cows generally have plenty milk to drive and shape the bb calf. But having said you need to use the very best bulls that are calfable.
The 2 I use for this are stq(sultan) and ajy(adayjo)

what part of the country do ya ai in.i have used bb before on angus very plain and bad sellers but i suppouse that i only used middlin bulls i had one decent calf out of ,rfc,born in middle of may and we sold him next spring,got on well wit him

deerejohn

charolais0153 wrote: »

what part of the country do ya ai in.i have used bb before on angus very plain and bad sellers but i suppouse that i only used middlin bulls i had one decent calf out of ,rfc,born in middle of may and we sold him next spring,got on well wit him

Limerick, I think it's very important to use the very best bulls that can be calved, whatever the breed. Biggest problem is who are they?
Going back to the op if you are using any top ai bull 25 % fr in the mix is no bad thing provided the bull is a top bull.

Mac Taylor

deerejohn wrote: »

Limerick, I think it's very important to use the very best bulls that can be calved, whatever the breed. Biggest problem is who are they?
Going back to the op if you are using any top ai bull 25 % fr in the mix is no bad thing provided the bull is a top bull.

Deerejohn, out of curiously what easy calving bull would you recommend on lmx out of hca from bfx heifers? Thanks. Mac

Livestockmad

I would recommend a charolais. We have a few charolais out of aaxfr cows and they make great cows! Mind you, you will take a wrap on price when selling the bulls but there is always the option of finishing your self as their easy fatten with aa in the breed

Miname

Livestockmad wrote: »

I would recommend a charolais. We have a few charolais out of aaxfr cows and they make great cows! Mind you, you will take a wrap on price when selling the bulls but there is always the option of finishing your self as their easy fatten with aa in the breed

I'd have to agree. Blues aren't suited, limos you'll take a knock anyways with a black calf and it's only the very odd one that comes that dirty brown colour. The off white one still sells reasonably well.

deerejohn

Mac Taylor wrote: »

Deerejohn, out of curiously what easy calving bull would you recommend on lmx out of hca from bfx heifers? Thanks. Mac

Assuming hca from bfx (bf x aa or he)

2 year old calving
selling weanlings, parathenaise, gonzo looks easy enough at this stage, Cambridge safer
would also seriously consider aa if the heifers are continental enough, rgz or even kya

A small live calf of a 2 year old that goes back incalf easily is worth more than sale price in my opinion, after that there's plenty time for bb and ch

charolais0153

deerejohn wrote: »

Assuming hca from bfx (bf x aa or he)

2 year old calving
selling weanlings, parathenaise, gonzo looks easy enough at this stage, Cambridge safer
would also seriously consider aa if the heifers are continental enough, rgz or even kya

A small live calf of a 2 year old that goes back incalf easily is worth more than sale price in my opinion, after that there's plenty time for bb and ch

what are. The best cows for parataneise.never used dem before

deerejohn

I was on a farm this morning, 4 calves in a pen, all ai 2 from Munster, 2 from someone else.
1 calf stood out a mile, big enough, wide and heavy, an stq (sultan) from a aa x bf cow.

If a cow is following the bf, use blue (stq)
if a cow is following the aa, use char (lgl)

deerejohn

charolais0153 wrote: »

what are. The best cows for parataneise.never used dem before

I believe lim, ch, or SIM cross with good size and good width over the shoulder s is vital in what I have seen, used sirex before about 3 years ago, 3 bulls slaughtered at 17 mts came into 1800, 1 e, 2 u+.

Mac Taylor

deerejohn wrote: »

Assuming hca from bfx (bf x aa or he)

2 year old calving
selling weanlings, parathenaise, gonzo looks easy enough at this stage, Cambridge safer
would also seriously consider aa if the heifers are continental enough, rgz or even kya

A small live calf of a 2 year old that goes back incalf easily is worth more than sale price in my opinion, after that there's plenty time for bb and ch

Thanks for the reply, the head was a bit cloudy when I posted last night. I'm hoping to take delivery of some hca heifers out of bfx dairy cows

Farrell

deerejohn wrote: »

I believe lim, ch, or SIM cross with good size and good width over the shoulder s is vital in what I have seen, used sirex before about 3 years ago, 3 bulls slaughtered at 17 mts came into 1800, 1 e, 2 u+.

He's a bull that gets slated, would you use him again?

Tyson Lannister

Farrell wrote: »

He's a bull that gets slated, would you use him again?

I don't think sirex gets slated? Are you sure you're not mixing him up with SNX Sansonnet? As far as I'm aware you can't get sirex straws anymore, but am open to correction on that.

Farrell

Tyson Lannister wrote: »

I don't think sirex gets slated? Are you sure you're not mixing him up with SNX Sansonnet? As far as I'm aware you can't get sirex straws anymore, but am open to correction on that.

Yes you are correct, Eurogene had both at one stage

Tyson Lannister

I have a lot of aaxfr cows myself and have gonzo and stq lined up for them. I think they are great cows to breed replacements from- a few gonzo heifers off them should be ideal as the cows have so much milk.

charolais0153

Tyson Lannister wrote: »

I have a lot of aaxfr cows myself and have gonzo and stq lined up for them. I think they are great cows to breed replacements from- a few gonzo heifers off them should be ideal as the cows have so much milk.

Are u saying gonzo (pt) if so wat bull would u cross to these cows again would they be good maternal calvers from his icbf figures he sould be ok for milk

Tyson Lannister

charolais0153 wrote: »

Are u saying gonzo (pt) if so wat bull would u cross to these cows again would they be good maternal calvers from his icbf figures he sould be ok for milk

If we are talking about Munster AI I'm planning to put Bourvil on them for first calving and then Bulls like STQ and CBQ in the hope of getting export quality calves without c-sections.

deerejohn

Farrell wrote: »

He's a bull that gets slated, would you use him again?

I would only rate sirex with Rocky, edj, and cf52.
but I think with all parathenaise watch top line width on what you are crossing on, no problem with ass though !

Farrell

deerejohn wrote: »

I would only rate sirex with Rocky, edj, and cf52.
but I think with all parathenaise watch top line width on what you are crossing on, no problem with ass though !

Would that cause issue with calving?
Don't know if this right or not, but was warned against nice ended heifers for breeding (pelvis issues), but they'd help for the export factor

deerejohn

Farrell wrote: »

Would that cause issue with calving?
Don't know if this right or not, but was warned against nice ended heifers for breeding (pelvis issues), but they'd help for the export factor

Sorry, what I meant was protect parathanaise bulls when crossing, they need cows with good width over and behind shoulders particularly.
They in turn will supply the back end.
Some people say it's very important to feed parathanaise cattle a little all the time as they can be slow to put on weight quickly if let go behind

Farrell

Tyson Lannister wrote: »

This is a CBQ calf off a chxAAbrfr. He is a tank of an animal now.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/l4ht4g8boi1267j/dropbox.jpg?dl=0
That said I'm a big fan of KCE got some great calves off him this year off plain AAxbrfr cows. From reading on here I've gone with STQ this year. I wonder would STQ heifers off AAxbrfr cows be worth keeping?

Nice stock, hearing good stuff on STQ crossed with HO cows.
I'd be tempted to try those heifers, but it's a gamble if you're not there when they're calving