Help finding landowner when land is not registered

ynul31f47k6b59

Hi all,

Apologies if this is not in the right place but I've searched and could come up with nothing.

We're trying to sort out land affairs at the moment after my father-in-law passed away. He inherited some land, and bought more. Some was in his name, some was not. We have maps and folio numbers for some of it and that's being sorted - but there's an adjoining piece of land that is not showing up on the land registry, so it must not be registered. We're not sure if it's his or not, or an ancestor, or a neighbour - all we have is an old plot number from whenever the bog was divided into strips. How would we find out who owns this? I know about the registry of deeds but I haven't a clue what to do, do I email them or go there or what? I looked at their website but couldn't make head nor tail of it. Any help or advice would be appreciated, thank you

freedominacup

shanna83 wrote: »

Hi all,

Apologies if this is not in the right place but I've searched and could come up with nothing.

We're trying to sort out land affairs at the moment after my father-in-law passed away. He inherited some land, and bought more. Some was in his name, some was not. We have maps and folio numbers for some of it and that's being sorted - but there's an adjoining piece of land that is not showing up on the land registry, so it must not be registered. We're not sure if it's his or not, or an ancestor, or a neighbour - all we have is an old plot number from whenever the bog was divided into strips. How would we find out who owns this? I know about the registry of deeds but I haven't a clue what to do, do I email them or go there or what? I looked at their website but couldn't make head nor tail of it. Any help or advice would be appreciated, thank you

You're probably going to need a solicitor. A good chunk of my father's land is only with the registry of deeds no folio etc. Your solicitor can do a search from his office. AFAIK all transfers now require that a folio be created where none currently exists. Many older terraces in towns and cities have no folios but this is being gradually changed as these properties are changing hands. Point being if someone has inherited this piece of land they will have to engage a solicitor to complete the transfer and create a folio anyway.

Farmer Pudsey

You can also log onto
https://www.landdirect.ie/pramap.aspx/

by going in as guest you can drill down into the area you suspect is the folio no . You can then highlight folio numbers and check against the number you have. If you require you can get a copy of this folio and check it yourself if numbers match. However you may have old folio numbers and may have to cross check with land registery

Nekarsulm

Would your father in law have used a firm of solicitors in the past, whose business passed to a newer firm? Could be a bundle of old will's and transfer documents lying languishing in an office somewhere. Go round every firm for 10 miles radius and make enquiries. Good luck.

ynul31f47k6b59

Thanks for your replies! Unfortunately we don't have any folio for it at all, it's marked on a map as "234" but that doesn't match up with anything. I found a number through that website and someone said they'd get back to me.

I think it's probably safer to go through a solicitor actually, never even thought of that, it's just a big mess of old maps, old deeds, haven't a clue where to start. Thought it might be easy to DIY but don't want to end up in trouble for not doing someting properly!

Thanks again!

mikeoh

had a similar problem....my solicitor just highlighted it on a map sent it to the land registry and for a small fee they will tell you who owns the land.................................I had to get a new OS map to colour in the land plot as far as I can remember

Nekarsulm

Similar situation here, at the moment. A bundle of old wills, and maps, dating back to 1790's. Never registered so no Folio number. Old parchment maps and so on. Luckily there is a clear sale of the leasehold (999 years lease) dating from 1921. And fairly straight forward deeds of transfer from that time till now. Want to split off a half acre. Solicitor reckons about €500 to register the deeds at the land registry, plus whatever it costs for a Surveyor/Architect to mark the plot on an official Ordinance survey map.
Only problem may be a clause in the lease regarding the promise to pay 15 Pounds per year to the lessor. This has never been requested nor paid, to the best of our knowledge. If that throws up an problem in the land registry, they may have to investigate back to the 1700's, at extra cost.

stanflt

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

You can also log onto
https://www.landdirect.ie/pramap.aspx/

by going in as guest you can drill down into the area you suspect is the folio no . You can then highlight folio numbers and check against the number you have. If you require you can get a copy of this folio and check it yourself if numbers match. However you may have old folio numbers and may have to cross check with land registery

that website has caused me to break one of the 10 commandments

coveting thy neighbours goods

kowtow

stanflt wrote: »

that website has caused me to break one of the 10 commandments

coveting thy neighbours goods

It's a good way to pass the time when the weather is too poor to fly the drone over them...

Figerty

I know of a couple of places that there is no title available for. Is it possible that you Father in Law inherited grazing rights for the parcel but others have Turbury rights. There may be a list of names of those with turbary rights or it could be open to all.