2015 Fantasy 6 Nations

andymx11

About time we started getting this together!

http://fantasyrugby.irishtimes.com/index.aspx

I'm just looking forward to (hopefully) having SOB on my team!!

Actually- which version do you all find better, the Irish Times or ESPN scrum?

Manofthewest

Looking forward to sitting down and picking my team for this. Makes watching the matches a lot more interesting.

The Lost Sheep

League created. League called Boards.ie
League PIN: 83368

thomond2006

ESPN scrum is better in that it forces you to pick front five forwards!

The Lost Sheep

thomond2006 wrote: »

ESPN scrum is better in that it forces you to pick front five forwards!

League set up there. league called boards.ie and pin is 83380

thomond2006

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

League set up there. league called boards.ie and pin is 83380

Ok I'll delete mine!

George Hook

Are we all going ESPN scrum then?

The Lost Sheep

George Hook wrote: »

Are we all going ESPN scrum then?

May as well do both....

robo

Cool - just joined the league

Manofthewest

Must join them also. Well once I get the team sorted.

The Lost Sheep

Don't be too bothered if I don't accept ye're teams into the boards.ie leagues for the next day or two. Ive been notified by email of all applicants and will add all before games start at the w/end.

Mr.Prodston

I've set up both an Irish Times and ESPNscrum league over in the Fantasy Sports Arena if anyone wants to join another league

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057374115

The PIN for the ESPNscrum is: 89268

The PIN for the Irish Times is: 89277

I have time for one league and one league only. Which is the most popular?

NoelJ

Just wondering who are the kickers for each team.

I'm guessing its;

Ireland - Madigan then Sexton
France - Lopez or could it be Parra?
England - Cipriani or Ford whoever starts
Wales - Halfpenny
Scotland - Laidlaw
Italy - ???

Johnnio13

Ford starting.
English team named:
Mike Brown (Harlequins); Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby), Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby), Luther Burrell (Northampton Saints), Jonny May (Gloucester Rugby); George Ford (Bath Rugby), Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers); Joe Marler (Harlequins), Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints), Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers), Dave Attwood (Bath Rugby), George Kruis (Saracens), James Haskell (Wasps), Chris Robshaw (Harlequins, capt), Billy Vunipola (Saracens)

George Hook

Actually this one sounds 100 times better than the other two listed above.

http://www.the42.ie/six-nations-fantasy-rugby-1919449-Feb2015/

It's much more in depth like the fox fantasy rugby for the Southern Hemisphere tournaments.

George Hook

George Hook wrote: »

Actually this one sounds 100 times better than the other two listed above.

http://www.the42.ie/six-nations-fantasy-rugby-1919449-Feb2015/

It's much more in depth like the fox fantasy rugby for the Southern Hemisphere tournaments.

Can everyone agree on just one though? I only say it because if I win I want to know that I beat everyone so I can lord it over you all for months?

"No Venjur, I don't agree with you because...."

My reply "Yes, but where did you finish in the fantasy six nations rugby?... exactly"

George Hook

Deleted User wrote: »

Can everyone agree on just one though? I only say it because if I win I want to know that I beat everyone so I can lord it over you all for months?

"No Venjur, I don't agree with you because...."

My reply "Yes, but where did you finish in the fantasy six nations rugby?... exactly"

I'd love to do just one as I am also doing a super rugby fantasy team too.
I only saw that one today though which although it seems like the best is maybe a bit short notice now to get everyone on-board with it. keep it just for future reference perhaps?

errlloyd

Well I signed up the for the Irish Times one. Then I spent an hour or two building a spreadsheet with all the betting statistics so that I know can pick mathematically the strongest team.

BionicRasher

Any particular site that names the starting line ups for each game?
Trawling through different news sites is a bit of a pain

dited

BionicRasher wrote: »

Any particular site that names the starting line ups for each game?
Trawling through different news sites is a bit of a pain

Wales v. England

Wales15Leigh Halfpenny 14Alex Cuthbert 13Jonathan Davies 12Jamie Roberts 11George North 10Dan Biggar 9Rhys Webb
1Gethin Jenkins 2Richard Hibbard 3Samson Lee 4Jake Ball 5Alun Wyn Jones 6Dan Lydiate 7Sam Warburton (capt) 8Taulupe Faletau
Replacements16Scott Baldwin17Paul James18Aaron Jarvis19Luke Charteris20Justin Tipuric21Mike Phillips22Rhys Priestland23Liam Williams

England15Mike Brown 14Anthony Watson 13Jonathan Joseph 12Luther Burrell 11Jonny May 10George Ford 9Ben Youngs
1Joe Marler 2Dylan Hartley 3Dan Cole 4Dave Attwood 5George Kruis 6James Haskell 7Chris Robshaw (capt) 8Billy Vunipola
Replacements: 16Tom Youngs17Mako Vunipola18Kieran Brookes19Tom Croft20Nick Easter21Richard Wigglesworth22Danny Cipriani23Billy Twelvetrees

Italy v. Ireland

Italy: A Masi; L Sarto, M Campagnaro, L Morisi, L McLean; K Haimona, E Gori
M Aguero, L Ghiraldini, M Castrogiovanni; J Furno, G Biagi; A Zanni, F Minto, S Parisse (captain)
Replacements: A Mancini, A De Marchi, D Chistolini, M Fuser, M Barbini, G Palazzani, T Allan, G Venditti

Ireland: 15 Rob Kearney, 14 Tommy Bowe, 13 Jared Payne, 12 Robbie Henshaw, 11 Simon Zebo, 10 Ian Keatley, 9 Conor Murray,
8 Jordi Murphy, 7 Sean O'Brien, 6 Peter O'Mahony, 5 Paul O'Connell (captain), 4 Devin Toner, 3 Mike Ross, 2 Rory Best, 1 Jack McGrath.
Replacements: 16 Sean Cronin, 17 James Cronin, 18 Marty Moore, 19 Iain Henderson, 20 Tommy O'Donnell, 21 Isaac Boss, 22 Ian Madigan, 23 Felix Jones.

France v. Scotland

Scotland: Stuart Hogg; Tommy Seymour, Mark Bennett, Alex Dunbar, Tim Visser; Finn Russell, Greig Laidlaw (capt)
Alasdair Dickinson, Ross Ford, Euan Murray, Richie Gray, Jonny Gray, Rob Harley, Blair Cowan, Johnnie Beattie.
Replacements: Fraser Brown, Gordon Reid, Geoff Cross, Jim Hamilton, Alasdair Strokosch, Sam Hidalgo-Clyne, Peter Horne, Dougie Fife.

France: S Spedding; Y Huget, M Bastareaud, W Fofana, T Thomas; C Lopez, R Kockott
D Chouly, T Dusautoir (capt), B Le Roux; Y Maestri, P Papé; R Slimani, G Guirado, A Menini.
Replacements B Kayser, U Atonio, E Ben Arous, R Taofifénua, L Goujon, M Parra, R Talès, R Lamerat.

b.gud

BionicRasher wrote: »

Any particular site that names the starting line ups for each game?
Trawling through different news sites is a bit of a pain

The official rbs 6 nations site is probably the handiest for getting all the teams though it will still take a few clicks.

I'm organising a charity fantasy league at work so will be keeping track of all the teams to send them onto whoever has entered so I'll try to post up the teams here once they're all out in the coming weeks.

The Pheasant2

Will Lopez or Kockett be kicking?

errlloyd

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

Will Lopez or Kockett be kicking?

We don't know, I checked the bookies odds to see if anyone knew. But neither has high points scoring odds

I've selected Kockett as my kicker.......................

errlloyd

Deleted User wrote: »

I've selected Kockett as my kicker.......................

I'd actually change that, it's just not worth the risk.

errlloyd

errlloyd wrote: »

I'd actually change that, it's just not worth the risk.

Whats the alternative? Keatley?

Madigan is more likely to score a try tomorrow than Keatley according to Paddy Power

ktulu123

Join the ESPN one there

MrDerp

Deleted User wrote: »

Whats the alternative? Keatley?

There's a general lack of nailed on half backs, so I've put Laidlaw and Keatley in. Will probably put Keatley as kicker as its Italy, who aren't exactly renowned for their discipline.

The thinking is:
- England/Wales could be tight
- Picking french kickers can be folly as the half backs tend to get yanked early or have their kicking duties removed
- I generally pick a kicking 9 as (1) there's an improved chance of MoM points, and (2) I have more flexibility to swap kickers without changing out-half.

It gives general flexibility too
e.g. if Sexton didn't pass a fitness test, and Keatley started against France, I could give Laidlaw the kicking duties without using a transfer. That gives me 5 transfers to handle injuries and PSA fielding a new 15 next week.

Also, I can swap in Sexton next week without needing to rebalance my Irish players with a forced swap.

errlloyd

Deleted User wrote: »

Whats the alternative? Keatley?

I guess Ford, Keatley, Halfpenny and Laidlaw are all definitely kickers. You'd just risking dropping like 5 points because no one actually seems to know if Kockott or Lopez will be kicking.

Keatley get's the nod for me, simply because I expect he will have more opportunities even with a lower %

errlloyd

Deleted User wrote: »

Keatley get's the nod for me, simply because I expect he will have more opportunities even with a lower %

It's a good shout, I went with Ford, simply because I know some of my players will have to be switched out next week, and if I selected Keatley and Murphy I'd be using up two subs straight away.

CatFromHue

Just joined The Irish Times one.

Is it just me or have the prizes started to get a little better after being ****e for so many years. I remember in 09 maybe that they were very good and with weekly prizes too but then it dropped off completely to low 1st, 2nd, and 3rd prizes.

I've gone for the big gamble and went for Kockett. I reckon that game will be highest scoring of them all this weekend.

errlloyd

Deleted User wrote: »

I've gone for the big gamble and went for Kockett

Well that's the other half of it go hard or go home, the legends who used Campagnaro last year won big time in week 1.

awec

Joined the times one

catch--22

My options for kicker are Lopez, Laidlaw and Halfpenny.

At the moment it's Lopez after his solid against the Wallabies last year. But who knows. Any thoughts?

StabiloBoss

catch--22 wrote: »

My options for kicker are Lopez, Laidlaw and Halfpenny.

At the moment it's Lopez after his solid against the Wallabies last year. But who knows. Any thoughts?

I've gone for the same thing. Saint-André is talking him up all week so I think it's likely he'll let him begin with kicking duties anyway. Definitely riskier than someone like Halfpenny, but if you believe France are in for a big win then it could be worth it.

errlloyd

catch--22 wrote: »

My options for kicker are Lopez, Laidlaw and Halfpenny.

At the moment it's Lopez after his solid against the Wallabies last year. But who knows. Any thoughts?

My particular philosophy on goal kicker is that you should always use a flyhalf in fantasy, the fact Halfpenny can kick doesn't make up for the fact that he doesn't score as many tries as the other outside backs, when you consider you have to start a flyhalf anyway.

So look at the combinations.

Say you go for Lopez and Halfpenny (hp kicking), versus Lopez and North for instance. Here are the odds.

Halfpenny is 5/1 (first try) 25/1 (second try), 10/1 (win MOTM) and will finish the match probably.
Lopez is 15/2 (first try) 8/1 (man of the match) and probably won't finish the match (his second try is too low to count.

Which means based on PP HP is worth 4.48, Lopez is worth 3.14. Combined total of 7.62 before goal kicking.

North is 7/4, 13/2 and 14/1 and will also probably finish the match. Meaning he's worth 5.82 points. So the North and Lopez team is worth 10.3 points

So unless you think Halfpenny is going to get 2.5 kicks more than Lopez it's not really worth dropping him. Now considering conversions, penalties and dropgoals are worth the same, I just don't think HP is going to get more opportunities than Lopez, he might even get less, so if the decision is marginal, don't bother.

**The above stats do not factor in predictions for Assists, or for Cards as PP don't offer odds on the first, and the latter are so small as to be irrelevant. If however you feel that there is a chance that Halfpenny is more likely to set up a try than North, it may influence your decision. I happen to think he's not.

total former

errlloyd wrote: »

My particular philosophy on goal kicker is that you should always use a flyhalf in fantasy, the fact Halfpenny can kick doesn't make up for the fact that he doesn't score as many tries as the other outside backs, when you consider you have to start a flyhalf anyway.

So look at the combinations.

Say you go for Lopez and Halfpenny (hp kicking), versus Lopez and North for instance. Here are the odds.

Halfpenny is 5/1 (first try) 25/1 (second try), 10/1 (win MOTM) and will finish the match probably.
Lopez is 15/2 (first try) 8/1 (man of the match) and probably won't finish the match (his second try is too low to count.

Which means based on PP HP is worth 4.48, Lopez is worth 3.14. Combined total of 7.62 before goal kicking.

North is 7/4, 13/2 and 14/1 and will also probably finish the match. Meaning he's worth 5.82 points. So the North and Lopez team is worth 10.3 points

So unless you think Halfpenny is going to get 2.5 kicks more than Lopez it's not really worth dropping him. Now considering conversions, penalties and dropgoals are worth the same, I just don't think HP is going to get more opportunities than Lopez, he might even get less, so if the decision is marginal, don't bother.

**The above stats do not factor in predictions for Assists, or for Cards as PP don't offer odds on the first, and the latter are so small as to be irrelevant. If however you feel that there is a chance that Halfpenny is more likely to set up a try than North, it may influence your decision. I happen to think he's not.

The only factor you haven't considered is the possibility of Kockott taking the kicks for France...

Didn't Lopez miss a couple against Argentina in the Autumn? I wouldn't have rated him as a high percentage goal kicker, but I'm open to correction there.

errlloyd

total former wrote: »

The only factor you haven't considered is the possibility of Kockott taking the kicks for France...

Didn't Lopez miss a couple against Argentina in the Autumn? I wouldn't have rated him as a high percentage goal kicker, but I'm open to correction there.

Well I considered it in my team , I didn't pick Lopez. The statistics equally applies if you sub in any goal kicking ten, because the difference is the difference between North and Halfpenny.

catch--22

errlloyd wrote: »

My particular philosophy on goal kicker is that you should always use a flyhalf in fantasy, the fact Halfpenny can kick doesn't make up for the fact that he doesn't score as many tries as the other outside backs, when you consider you have to start a flyhalf anyway.

So look at the combinations.

..... I happen to think he's not.

Thanks for that detailed reply. Food for thought!

Now it just comes down to 'is Lopez actually going to kick?'

The Lost Sheep

Ive accepted everyone who's applied to date to the ESPN league and the Irish Times league. Wont get a chance to accept anyone else today until 7/8 o clock...

errlloyd

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Ive accepted everyone who's applied to date to the ESPN league and the Irish Times league. Wont get a chance to accept anyone else today until 7/8 o clock...

I don't think it matters when they join the league (they could join next week), as long as they have their teams ready by 8:05 or w/e

BionicRasher

ESPN seems to be down since about 5pm. Bit of a disaster

errlloyd

catch--22 wrote: »

Thanks for that detailed reply. Food for thought!

Now it just comes down to 'is Lopez actually going to kick?'

Well I have to admit for a while there it wasn't looking too good. Halfpenny was nailing his, and ford who I had, wasn't.

But it worked out, the three kicks Halfpenny got will not be more than any of the dedicated goal kicking fly halves, and the trade off is the loss of one back. What didn't work out for me was George North, who probably shouldn't have finished the match.

Anyway, Faletau assist, Webb try and Ford MOTM with kicks means 34 points after game 1, the only issue is my OH is on 37

MarkSRFC21

Lopez out half, halfpenny kicker and youngs assist leaves me with 49 overall. Not a bad total to start off with I suppose.

North got a full appearance despite being knocked out at least once and maybe twice. Silver linings and all that...

errlloyd

It's a very weird round. Last year the top guys were up on 97 or so after round one, but because two MVPs were Out Halves and two try scorers were Scrum Halves, I think the most you could have picked up were two MVPs, 3 tries and a couple of assists, unless you had picked players who weren't starting. In comparison last year you'd have gotten 4 tries and 2 MVPs just picking Campagnaro and Huget.

The only starting player in the Ireland v Italy match who was worth anything more than 3 was Murray, his try had no assist. The other one was TOD and Madigan.

Similarly in the Scotland game it was only worth picking Euan Murray who I am fairly sure (given he won't play 80 or Sundays) is mathematically the worst pick possible, so fair play to anyone who had him.

That means that while normally looking for 70 per round is a good score, this week much lower is acceptable.

Galactic British Empire Rebellion
Mike Brown 15 Luke McLean
Anthony Watson 14 Leonardo Sarto
Jonathan Joseph 13 Luca Marisi
Luther Burrell 12 Andrea Masi
Jonny May 11 Giovanbattista Venditti
George Harrison Ford 10 Kelly Haimona
Ben Youngs 9 Edoardo Gori
Joe Marler 1 Alberto De Marchi
Dylan Hartley 2 Leonardo Ghiraldini
Dan Cole 3 Martin "Chewie" Castrogiovanni
Dave Atwood 4 George Biagi
George Kruis 5 Marco Bortolami
James Haskell 6 Francesco Minto
Chris Robshaw 7 Mauro Bergamasco
Billy Vunipola 8 Sergio Parisse

Tom Youngs 16 Andrea Manici
Mako Vunipola 17 Matias Aguero
Kieran Brookes 18 Dario Chistolini
Nick Easter 19 Josh Furno
Tom Croft 20 Samuela Vunisa
Richard Wigglesworth 21 Guglielmo Palazzani
Danny Cipriani 22 Tommaso Allan
Billy Twelvetrees 23 Giulio Bisegni

|

01: Jack McGrath |01: Eddy Ben Arous
02: Rory Best |02: Guilhem Guirado
03: Mike Ross|03: Rabah Slimani
04: Devin Toner|04: Pascal Pape
05: Paul O'Connell CAPTAIN |05: Yoann Maestri
06: Peter O'Mahony |06: Thierry Dusautoir
07: Sean O'Brien |07: Bernard Le Roux
08: Jamie Heaslip |08: Damien Chouly
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09: Conor Murray |09: Rory Kockott
10: Jonathan Sexton|10: Camille Lopez
11: Simon Zebo |11: Teddy Thomas
12: Robbie Henshaw |12: Wesley Fofana
13: Jared Payne |13: Mathieu Basteraud
14: Tommy Bowe |14: Yoann Huget
15: Rob Kearney|15: Scott Spedding
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16: Sean Cronin|16: Benjamin Kayser
17: Cian Healy |17: Uini Atonio
18: Martin Moore|18: Vincent Debaty
19: Iain Henderson |19: Romain Taoififenua
20: Jordi Murphy|20: Loann Guojon
21: Isaac Boss|21: Morgan Parra
22: Ian Madigan|22: Remi Tales
23: Felix Jones |23: Remi Lamerat


Has the Scotland team been announced?