Truck (Int Reg) destroyed my parked car this evening.

Tinder Surprise

Hi,
Looking for whatever assistance I can get here, so any piece of advice welcome....

Came back to my parked car (Dublin City Centre) this eve to find the whole side- from back qtr panel to front headlights absolutely destroyed.

There was a note by a witness on the window with registration of a truck that allegedly took the whole side off when reversing.

It's a Dutch reg and I have also been sent photos of same by the very kind witness.

Garda arrived in scene and took details and will call tomorrow, but I'm not holding my breath here.


Any advice?

Ta

T

Supergurrier

Looks like that witness really saved your bacon tbh.

Should all be worked out if you have reg, no way an international fleet vehicle won't have insurance.

CiniO

So if you have his number plate and you have a witness and you reported it to the gards, so all looks positive.

Now you'll need to contact MIBI as they deal with claims on accidents with foreign vehicles.

Good luck, but should be fairly straight forward.

Crumbs868

Is there a flower shop nearby? If it was an NL truck and it happened in a built up area then there is a good chance they were delivering flowers (as not that many NL trucks come to Ireland). If so it would be worth calling these shops, also be aware that its the same few trucks that come every week with their own set run so they are usually at the same each shop similar at the same time each week

RandomAccess

Not sure how much help it will be, but if it was Dutch then theres a good chance the truck was delivering flowers nearby.

Edit: Someone else got there first
(I guess I should have refreshed the page)

ratracer

You have a witness, you have a reg. no, you have pictures! The Gardai will should have the truck before it gets on the ferry out of the country. This will be settled very quickly by the trucks insurance company. It's a pain in the hoop and it will take a few weeks, but no one is injured, it'll get sorted, so as upsetting as it is (and I would be very pissed if it was my car BTW) don't let it get you down too much.

Tinder Surprise

Thanks guys for all the advice.

The flower delivery crossed my mind also as it was near the fruit and veg markets off Capel St that it happened.
I'm nearly sure there is a flower distributor up and around there also.

I have notified my insurance company and gonna get onto MIBI asap (thanks for that piece of advice by the way) and see what they have to say.

Will keep all you kind people updated and thanks again.

punisher5112

Hi op sorry to hear what happened and hope they catch the driver.

Any pic of the car as to how bad.

Very lucky a witness saw it.

I used to work in a furniture shop. An articulated lorry was delivering to us one day and when he was reversing out of our car park, he reversed into a car that belonged to someone who worked an another shop next door.

He pushed the car about 10-15 feet. Surprisingly, there was actually very little damage (made a mess of the front wing and pillar mostly, but didnt look as bad as i expected it would).

As said above, the Insurance company paid out fairly swiftly. I think the car was fixed within the week. (but that said, that was an Irish truck and the driver admitted responsibility at the scene). Im sure it won't be too hard on you OP. Hopefully not anyway.

Bad form on the driver for leaving the scene, but he genuinely might not realise he did it. (Im sure the company would be more annoyed at unexplained damage to their truck than explainable damage).

NIMAN

What a scumbag, wrecking your car then driving off.

Hope it all works out for you.

cerastes

Deleted User wrote: »

I used to work in a furniture shop. An articulated lorry was delivering to us one day and when he was reversing out of our car park, he reversed into a car that belonged to someone who worked an another shop next door.

He pushed the car about 10-15 feet. Surprisingly, there was actually very little damage (made a mess of the front wing and pillar mostly, but didnt look as bad as i expected it would).

As said above, the Insurance company paid out fairly swiftly. I think the car was fixed within the week. (but that said, that was an Irish truck and the driver admitted responsibility at the scene). Im sure it won't be too hard on you OP. Hopefully not anyway.

Bad form on the driver for leaving the scene, but he genuinely might not realise he did it. (Im sure the company would be more annoyed at unexplained damage to their truck than explainable damage).

There could be untold damage,
Even if the owner was lucky enough to have parked it only using their handbrake (something I never do), it have to pushed directly in line with the wheels, if it crabbed even slightly the suspension may have been damaged beyond an economical repair or at least a good one, you say that car was pushed and damaged on its front wing and pillar, doesnt make it sound like it was straight inline, hopefully that driver is never in a crash in that thing, as the ability of a car to absorb or redistribute force in an accident may have been compromised. It sounds like that had the potential to write it off no matter how little damage there appeared to be.

In the OPs instance, fortunately you got what you needed, reg number and photos, thats one decent witness.

CiniO

cerastes wrote: »

There could be untold damage,
Even if the owner was lucky enough to have parked it only using their handbrake (something I never do),

Why?
Do you think it could cause engine damage if it was left in gear?

it have to pushed directly in line with the wheels, if it crabbed even slightly the suspension may have been damaged beyond an economical repair or at least a good one, you say that car was pushed and damaged on its front wing and pillar, doesnt make it sound like it was straight inline,

What are you talking about?
Suspension won't get damaged if car is pushed sideways. It's way more robust that that.
If it was like you are saying, a simple skid would cause a suspension damage.

hopefully that driver is never in a crash in that thing, as the ability of a car to absorb or redistribute force in an accident may have been compromised. It sounds like that had the potential to write it off no matter how little damage there appeared to be.

Well we both haven't seen a car, but I don't believe a car could be damaged to dangerous level, by pushing it be few feet, unless it was pushed against the wall or something.

cerastes

CiniO wrote: »

Why?
Do you think it could cause engine damage if it was left in gear?

If there was any damage, I was referring to the gearbox

What are you talking about?
Suspension won't get damaged if car is pushed sideways. It's way more robust that that.
If it was like you are saying, a simple skid would cause a suspension damage.

Skidding in the wet suggests there isnt grip. Depending on the surface in the car park, Id say aside from that, cars arent generally designed for their suspension to work in that way (skidding), its like saying if a car skids sideways and hit something that stopps its travel that that wont transfer a force and demage its not designed for, the suspension may take it up and so long as all suspension components were replaced, pretty much any part of that could be bent out of shape or have a force applied that might hide a problem or that may have been distributed to the body of the car which could have weakened it, would you be willing to take that chance? sounds like it, I wouldn't. No car is the same after damage.

Well we both haven't seen a car, but I don't believe a car could be damaged to dangerous level, by pushing it be few feet, unless it was pushed against the wall or something.

How can you say you dont believe the car could be damaged to a dangerous level when you already say we both havent seen the car? we havent, I think its a possibility. If it was pushed and a pillar was damaged? that could lead to a beyond economical repair and you cant suggest that might reduce the cars ability to protect its occupants in a crash in the future, if you dont mind taking the risk, Id rather get money for a car I even like and replace it rather than drive around in it, unless the repair is absolutely top notch, even then Id be concerned about driving my family in it, and the resale value? you'll have to mention that too, aside from getting your car repaired, you will never get the right value for it if you say this was done, most would walk away unless there was a serious discount, how do you account for that?

Del2005

NIMAN wrote: »

What a scumbag, wrecking your car then driving off.

Hope it all works out for you.

To be fair the truck driver might not even know he's damaged the car, there are a lot of blind spots when driving large vehicles

When I was doing artic lessons the instructor was telling me of a time with another student that they where stopped by the Gardaí, Garda came up to them thick as asking why the driver had left the scene of an accident. Turns out that someone had red light gambled and smashed into the back of the trailer. Neither the instructor or driver had seen, felt or heard anything and there was substantial damage to both vehicles.

CiniO

cerastes wrote: »

If there was any damage, I was referring to the gearbox

So you are saying that car left in gear, when pushed is likely to suffer damage to the gearbox...
Well, that generally gives me an idea how knowledgeable you are in this subject.

Skidding in the wet suggests there isnt grip.

And skidding on dry suggest there is grip, so?

Depending on the surface in the car park, Id say aside from that, cars arent generally designed for their suspension to work in that way (skidding),

If they weren't they would disintegrate from skidding, and trust me - they don't.

its like saying if a car skids sideways and hit something that stopps its travel that that wont transfer a force and demage its not designed for, the suspension may take it up and so long as all suspension components were replaced, pretty much any part of that could be bent out of shape or have a force applied that might hide a problem or that may have been distributed to the body of the car which could have weakened it,

You are now talking about car skidding and hitting something at speed. That's no way relevant to what we were talking about.

would you be willing to take that chance? sounds like it, I wouldn't. No car is the same after damage.

You replied to someone who said that car had damage to the wing.

How can you say you dont believe the car could be damaged to a dangerous level when you already say we both havent seen the car? we havent, I think its a possibility.

When it comes to accidents everything is possible, but you suggesting suspension must been damaged because car was pushed sideways, and gearbox is broken because it was left on gear is just funny how little you know about the subject.

cerastes

CiniO wrote: »

So you are saying that car left in gear, when pushed is likely to suffer damage to the gearbox...
Well, that generally gives me an idea how knowledgeable you are in this subject.



And skidding on dry suggest there is grip, so?


If they weren't they would disintegrate from skidding, and trust me - they don't.


You are now talking about car skidding and hitting something at speed. That's no way relevant to what we were talking about.


You replied to someone who said that car had damage to the wing.




When it comes to accidents everything is possible, but you suggesting suspension must been damaged because car was pushed sideways, and gearbox is broken because it was left on gear is just funny how little you know about the subject.

Look, I dont know whats with the attitude, you came along and replied to me. Now Ive seen plenty of your posts in the past and a lot of I may have replied to or even agreed with without replying, although I did notice a difference lately and I think I disagreed with you over something recently a few times, so if this is your attitude and in relation to that, dont reply to me again in any post.
but if you are happy to have your car driven into and pushed around a carpark thats fine, its off topic for what the OP needs.
Having said that, I believe we are on opposite sides of the country, if you have access to a truck, Im willing to do this for you to your car if you are so certain no damage will occur.
I consider in an instance like this there will be damage, and no car is ever the same after an accident, aside from it being perfectly repairable, it may not be worthwhile to, but the a vehicle will have a reduced value and if you mention it in a sale, you will get less or be expected to sell it for less or someone will move along to the next car that has not got damage.
I am not willing to have my car pushed or jarred and have someone come along and try tell me definitively there wont be damage when they dont know for sure. As you yourself say, you or I didnt see that car or how it was moved.

CiniO

cerastes wrote: »

Look, I dont know whats with the attitude, you came along and replied to me. Now Ive seen plenty of your posts in the past and a lot of I may have replied to or even agreed with without replying, although I did notice a difference lately and I think I disagreed with you over something recently a few times, so if this is your attitude and in relation to that, dont reply to me again in any post.
but if you are happy to have your car driven into and pushed around a carpark thats fine, its off topic for what the OP needs.
Having said that, I believe we are on opposite sides of the country, if you have access to a truck, Im willing to do this for you to your car if you are so certain no damage will occur.
I consider in an instance like this there will be damage, and no car is ever the same after an accident, aside from it being perfectly repairable, it may not be worthwhile to, but the a vehicle will have a reduced value and if you mention it in a sale, you will get less or be expected to sell it for less or someone will move along to the next car that has not got damage.
I am not willing to have my car pushed or jarred and have someone come along and try tell me definitively there wont be damage when they dont know for sure. As you yourself say, you or I didnt see that car or how it was moved.

Well as you pretty much pointed out, further discussion is pointless.

Just to be on the fun side, I'll throw a link to some skoda repair

cerastes

cerastes wrote: »

Thave to pushed directly in line with the wheels, if it crabbed even slightly

Cars are far more robust than this, every time someone slides their car in a roundabout, undrsteers or oversteers etc they would be ruining the car.

mickdw

cerastes wrote: »

Look, I dont know whats with the attitude, you came along and replied to me. Now Ive seen plenty of your posts in the past and a lot of I may have replied to or even agreed with without replying, although I did notice a difference lately and I think I disagreed with you over something recently a few times, so if this is your attitude and in relation to that, dont reply to me again in any post.
but if you are happy to have your car driven into and pushed around a carpark thats fine, its off topic for what the OP needs.
Having said that, I believe we are on opposite sides of the country, if you have access to a truck, Im willing to do this for you to your car if you are so certain no damage will occur.
I consider in an instance like this there will be damage, and no car is ever the same after an accident, aside from it being perfectly repairable, it may not be worthwhile to, but the a vehicle will have a reduced value and if you mention it in a sale, you will get less or be expected to sell it for less or someone will move along to the next car that has not got damage.
I am not willing to have my car pushed or jarred and have someone come along and try tell me definitively there wont be damage when they dont know for sure. As you yourself say, you or I didnt see that car or how it was moved.

You came in with a nonsense statement that unless a car is pushed in line with the wheels, the suspension will be in bits. That is total crap.
Sure there are many instances where something is pushed in this manner where it could be damaged - where the car is trapped against a kerb springs to mind but you have then attempted to justify your statement with further silly statements.
The skoda chop job by cinio doesn't add to the conversation either.

Cookie_Dough

Tinder Surprise wrote: »

Hi,
Looking for whatever assistance I can get here, so any piece of advice welcome....

Came back to my parked car (Dublin City Centre) this eve to find the whole side- from back qtr panel to front headlights absolutely destroyed.

There was a note by a witness on the window with registration of a truck that allegedly took the whole side off when reversing.

It's a Dutch reg and I have also been sent photos of same by the very kind witness.

Garda arrived in scene and took details and will call tomorrow, but I'm not holding my breath here.


Any advice?

Ta

T

You should contact your
owm insurance company for advice. Either clim from them & they will follow it up with the Dutch insurance company or else apply to the MIBI directly yourself, as another poster has said Doubt gardai will have much involvement to be honest..

cerastes

mickdw wrote: »

You came in with a nonsense statement that unless a car is pushed in line with the wheels, the suspension will be in bits. That is total crap.
Sure there are many instances where something is pushed in this manner where it could be damaged - where the car is trapped against a kerb springs to mind but you have then attempted to justify your statement with further silly statements.
The skoda chop job by cinio doesn't add to the conversation either.

Its one thing to say a car skidding wont affect anything to having it shunted or jarred around a carpark. I didnt say the suspension would be in bits,but that there could be damage, getting shoved around the place may make it beyond an economical repair cost overall. If someone drove off regardless of the vehicle involved or the damage, then this could be a cost that would fall on the victim.
If you or anyone can categorically and definitively say that it will not have any potential damaging side affects ever in all cases where this has occurred and not even been witnessed by you, thats a fairly absolute statement to make, I'm not willing to take that chance.

Honestly, would you accept your car having damage to a pillar and a body panel after being shunted around the place by someone driving something as described? and not have it checked in any other way other than repair the body panels?
I would not be willing to take the chance or the cost hit from someone else as I wouldnt expect any leeway myself.
I hope the OP gets sorted and glad someone got the number and some pics as some arse did this to me albeit with a car, from what I can see the kind of people that do this will do their best to drive off and get away with it.

_Kaiser_

Serious guys.. what has any of this got to do with the OP's question? This is what is wrong with Motors .. little arguments breaking out between "regulars" and derailing the OP completely. Keep it to the Chat thread or something

OP, think you are probably in good shape here thanks to the witness (nice to see that there are still some decent people out there). Hopefully it gets sorted out quickly

inforfun

OP,

Sent the reg via PM or post it here for all i care.
See what i can find on Dutch websites who is the owner et cetera.

Tinder Surprise

inforfun wrote: »

OP,

Sent the reg via PM or post it here for all i care.
See what i can find on Dutch websites who is the owner et cetera.

Really inforfun? Thanks

PM on the way

joe912

cerastes wrote: »

Look, I dont know whats with the attitude, you came along and replied to me. Now Ive seen plenty of your posts in the past and a lot of I may have replied to or even agreed with without replying, although I did notice a difference lately and I think I disagreed with you over something recently a few times, so if this is your attitude and in relation to that, dont reply to me again in any post.
but if you are happy to have your car driven into and pushed around a carpark thats fine, its off topic for what the OP needs.
Having said that, I believe we are on opposite sides of the country, if you have access to a truck, Im willing to do this for you to your car if you are so certain no damage will occur.
I consider in an instance like this there will be damage, and no car is ever the same after an accident, aside from it being perfectly repairable, it may not be worthwhile to, but the a vehicle will have a reduced value and if you mention it in a sale, you will get less or be expected to sell it for less or someone will move along to the next car that has not got damage.
I am not willing to have my car pushed or jarred and have someone come along and try tell me definitively there wont be damage when they dont know for sure. As you yourself say, you or I didnt see that car or how it was moved.

you make Jeremy Clarkson look like an expert on car repairs.
to put it another way, you have bought cars that were previously crashed and repaired, but were happy because you hadn't a clue.

Just in relation to my own story about the car being pushed in the car park...

The car was a 2012 I believe. Think it was an Auris. It was caught at a 45 degree angle but got turned and pushed sideways with the force of the trailer.

It was repaired, rather than replaced. The woman herself wouldn't be too knowledgeable on cars or such, so I never really asked her about the amount of damage done, but I'd imagine if there was 'unseen damage', then the garage that fixed it would have brought it to her attention and told her (rather than offering to only repair cosmetic damage, and leave underlying issues).

As far as I'm aware, as the car was still relatively new (this was early last year) so she brought it to Toyota to get fixed. Whilst I'm sure they outsource panel beating to a contractor or indy (rather than doing it in-house), I'm also sure it'd have been in their best interest to try and sell her a new car instead of repairing the current one, so I'd imagine the fact that it got repaired would be sufficient enough to say that the car wasn't damaged enough to be in write-off territory.


Personally, I'd have thought that a trailer reversing into a car would make sh*te of the car. Was fully sure the windows would smash and shatter under the pressure, the wheels would buckle sideways with it being pushed, etc. but it seemed fairly resilient. It took an initial whack and most of the damage was done in the first 2 seconds. After that it was just getting pushed. Not even any glass cracked.

The car park is entirely flat tarmac and it was a dry day.

Noccy_Mondy

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Serious guys.. what has any of this got to do with the OP's question? This is what is wrong with Motors .. little arguments breaking out between "regulars" and derailing the OP completely. Keep it to the Chat thread or something

OP, think you are probably in good shape here thanks to the witness (nice to see that there are still some decent people out there). Hopefully it gets sorted out quickly

Get outa that, we don't want that sorta crap over in the chat thread!! :P

passatman86

The drivers for the dutch flower trucks stay in bewleys hotel newlands cross, might be the same crowd if that helps

inforfun

Problem with the reg the OP gave me, that it is the trailers reg.
To be sure i would have needed the reg of the truck as they can have 2 different owners.
Still then it would have been a bit difficult to get the owner via the internet but could have asked around.

Now, name of the company on the truck and i could have been a little bit more helpfull.

Sorry OP.

But if you need any info in Dutch, let me know.

CiniO

inforfun wrote: »

Problem with the reg the OP gave me, that it is the trailers reg.
To be sure i would have needed the reg of the truck as they can have 2 different owners.
Still then it would have been a bit difficult to get the owner via the internet but could have asked around.

Now, name of the company on the truck and i could have been a little bit more helpfull.

Sorry OP.

But if you need any info in Dutch, let me know.

Hmm what difference does it make if it's trailer reg or truck reg?
Both must be owned by someone and having trailer owner details is as good as having truck owner details in that case.

inforfun

CiniO wrote: »

Hmm what difference does it make if it's trailer reg or truck reg?
Both must be owned by someone and having trailer owner details is as good as having truck owner details in that case.

Couldnt find owner details for the trailer on the sites i know.
Might do better with the truck registration.

I always thought trucks and trailers had the same reg plates?

inforfun

Deleted User wrote: »

I always thought trucks and trailers had the same reg plates?

Not in Holland
Trailers have their own reg, starting with letter O

CiniO

Deleted User wrote: »

I always thought trucks and trailers had the same reg plates?

I'd risk saying only in Ireland and UK.
Everywhere else, trailers are due registration, and they get their own number plate and own registration cert. This applies to small car trailers and caravans as well.
Many of them are due to vehicle testing like NCT.

I never knew that. Interesting information.

Does that mean that trailers don't get any kind of testing over here? Or does a truck that has a trailer, have to present to the DOE with the trailer attached? (assuming articulated trucks do the DOE and not a different test?)

CiniO

Deleted User wrote: »

I never knew that. Interesting information.

Does that mean that trailers don't get any kind of testing over here?

Trailers with D.G.V.W of over 3.5 tonnes do. They need to be tested by CVRT centre annually.
But trailer up to 3.5 tonnes don't.

Or does a truck that has a trailer, have to present to the DOE with the trailer attached? (assuming articulated trucks do the DOE and not a different test?)

I'm not sure here, but I think truck and trailer tests are completely separate, and don't need to be done at the same time.

Crumbs868

CiniO wrote: »

I'd risk saying only in Ireland and UK.
Everywhere else, trailers are due registration, and they get their own number plate and own registration cert. This applies to small car trailers and caravans as well.
Many of them are due to vehicle testing like NCT.

Irish trailers also have a reg usually seen welded to the side of the chasis.

A Google would have thrown that up in the time it took for you to write your "facts"

keithclancy

Crumbs868 wrote: »

A Google would have thrown that up in the time it took for you to write your "facts"

Jees ... You must be great fun on a night out

Crumbs868

keithclancy wrote: »

Jees ... You must be great fun on a night out

Don't go to the pub, no patience to listen to 'experts' ðŸ˜

testicle

NIMAN wrote: »

What a scumbag, wrecking your car then driving off.

Hope it all works out for you.

It's possible the truck driver knew nothing about it

joe912

Crumbs868 wrote: »

Irish trailers also have a reg usually seen welded to the side of the chasis.

A Google would have thrown that up in the time it took for you to write your "facts"

what are you suggesting that if you are involved in an accident with a lorry you should run around the trailer with a rag trying to see if you can read the trailer registration, that would prove nothing or would it be better to just take the reg of the lorry.

CiniO

Crumbs868 wrote: »

Irish trailers also have a reg usually seen welded to the side of the chasis.

A Google would have thrown that up in the time it took for you to write your "facts"

Don't understand what you want from me.
In Ireland trailer must have a registration plate the same as towing vehicle. Same in UK. Everywhere else in EU (or nearly everywhere) case is different, as trailers have their own registration number which they display on registration plate - not the towing vehicle registration plate.

What you are talking about is trailer mark number which is assigned to trailers in Ireland (over 3.5t) when they are first licensed. I don't know if it's legal obligation to have this number displayed on the side of the trailer or not. However it completely doesn't matter, as we were talking about registration numbers which vehicles display on their rear.
Trailer marks you mentioned, are completely irrelevant to this.
Nothing wrong with my facts.

Nomis21

CiniO wrote: »

Don't understand what you want from me.
In Ireland trailer must have a registration plate the same as towing vehicle. Same in UK. Everywhere else in EU (or nearly everywhere) case is different, as trailers have their own registration number which they display on registration plate - not the towing vehicle registration plate.

What you are talking about is trailer mark number which is assigned to trailers in Ireland (over 3.5t) when they are first licensed. I don't know if it's legal obligation to have this number displayed on the side of the trailer or not. However it completely doesn't matter, as we were talking about registration numbers which vehicles display on their rear.
Trailer marks you mentioned, are completely irrelevant to this.
Nothing wrong with my facts.

I was a UK truck driver. A real pain in the a**e having to change the registration of the trailer everytime trailers were swapped, sometimes several times a day. Many times when a driver forgot to take the trailer number plates off when dropping a trailer, he might be hundreds of miles away before realising and not ever returning to the place where he left them.

The walls of truck Drivers canteens in depots are covered in lost number plates.

CiniO

Nomis21 wrote: »

I was a UK truck driver. A real pain in the a**e having to change the registration of the trailer everytime trailers were swapped, sometimes several times a day. Many times when a driver forgot to take the trailer number plates off when dropping a trailer, he might be hundreds of miles away before realising and not ever returning to the place where he left them.

The walls of truck Drivers canteens in depots are covered in lost number plates.

I also agree it would be better for trailers to have their own registration number to display on number plate like it is on the Continent, but that's just my opinion.

CiniO

CiniO wrote: »

Trailers with D.G.V.W of over 3.5 tonnes do. They need to be tested by CVRT centre annually.
But trailer up to 3.5 tonnes don't.

Tractor trailers don't need to be tested either.

SEPT 23 1989

Would foreign deliveries not happen at roughly the same time every week?

inforfun

I guess so.


Also, probably too late now but that thing has to get off the island at 1 point....
Too late as in... probably is already.