Do you use dashcam?

Ibetit

Just read the thread Dash cam saves your ass by Mycroft H. Seems like dashcam is very necessary for any car owner. It can be used as a car DVR to record outdoor activities, also for car shooting to take evidence of traffic accident.

Do you guys use dashcams?


Mod edit
If anyone wonders about recommendations there is already a mega thread here
Dash Cams, what to get and where to get it (Q&A only, no vids)
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cormie

Absolutely. Have captured numerous incidents so far which my dash cams have been witness to, 2 which I was requested to make statements to the Garda over. Any vehicle I drive without one feels like something essential is missing and gives me a sense of vulnerability. Considering you can get a decent one for a once off payment of less than €100, which is minuscule to the overall costs of keeping a car on the road with insurance, tax, maintenance, fuel etc, it's a must for every driver in my opinion.

CreepingDeath

Yep, and I don't drive for a living, just the usual commuting run and domestic stuff.

Too many muppets on the road, especially on the M50.
Worth just having it in case there's an accident and it avoids the "their word against yours" situation.

Also I upload any dodgy driving to YouTube for the boardsies entertainment here on the Dashcam thread.

kco3d

Is anyone aware of any incident where an insurance company used the footage from a dashcam to help with their investigation?

Is the video footage admissible as evidence?

Pov06

kco3d wrote: »

Is the video footage admissible as evidence?

I don't see why it shouldn't be.

At the end of the day if you crash and the insurance has to pay out for an accident where the third party "thinks" you caused and they can use the footage to prove otherwise then it is only to their benefit.

visual

It can be used to support your statement but on its own it is not legal evidence.

onlysheep

cormie wrote: »

Absolutely. Have captured numerous incidents so far which my dash cams have been witness to, 2 which I was requested to make statements to the Garda over. Any vehicle I drive without one feels like something essential is missing and gives me a sense of vulnerability. Considering you can get a decent one[/URL] for a once off payment of less than €100, which is minuscule to the overall costs of keeping a car on the road with insurance, tax, maintenance, fuel etc, it's a must for every driver in my opinion.

Yep, mini series are alwaya being my best choice too, going to get a 0806 in maybe

Ibetit

CreepingDeath wrote: »

Yep, and I don't drive for a living, just the usual commuting run and domestic stuff.

Too many muppets on the road, especially on the M50.
Worth just having it in case there's an accident and it avoids the "their word against yours" situation.

Also I upload any dodgy driving to YouTube for the boardsies entertainment here on the Dashcam thread.

Ask for you dodgy driving to YouTube:pac:

Ibetit

onlysheep wrote: »

Yep, mini series are alwaya being my best choice too, going to get a 0806 in maybe

There are quite many threads talk about mini 0806 dashcam there, seems like to be a good device so https://forum.dashcamtalk.com/forums/mini-0806.95/

NIMAN

Serious question, if you had a dashcam and it recorded footage which proved you were at fault, would you rip if down immediately so no-one would see you have evidence of your mistake?

Be honest now!

cormie

Ibetit wrote: »

There are quite many threads talk about mini 0806 dashcam there, seems like to be a good device so https://forum.dashcamtalk.com/forums/mini-0806.95/

Had a quick look at a video review there. Seems to be some good improvements. Also great to see the company constantly improving their product with customer feedback! Where are you getting yours? Which are the official resellers and which give a decent shipped to Ireland do you know?

mikeycoz

Does the data get stored internally or somewhere else?
Reason i'm asking is because I see some of them automatically record via motion sensor.
It doesn't seem very useful if a thief is running off with the dashcam in his swag bag.

Ibetit

NIMAN wrote: »

Serious question, if you had a dashcam and it recorded footage which proved you were at fault, would you rip if down immediately so no-one would see you have evidence of your mistake?

Be honest now!

maybe...I dunno, never thought that would happen. Better that will never

Ibetit

cormie wrote: »

Had a quick look at a video review there. Seems to be some good improvements. Also great to see the company constantly improving their product with customer feedback! Where are you getting yours? Which are the official resellers and which give a decent shipped to Ireland do you know?

This is the manufacture Julie.Sanahi seems that they got no official reseller, but i find joovuu and gearbest are both presale this dashcam now:)

Ibetit

mikeycoz wrote: »

Does the data get stored internally or somewhere else?
Reason i'm asking is because I see some of them automatically record via motion sensor.
It doesn't seem very useful if a thief is running off with the dashcam in his swag bag.

You will need a microSD card to store these datas. As for the thief thing, that's why most dashcam comes with a small size and dark colour. Actually if you get a right dashcam and mount it at a right place, you will no need to worry about the thief. Here is also a thread shows where people mount their dashcam, which may helps you
https://forum.dashcamtalk.com/threads/where-did-you-mount-the-camera-post-your-pictures.502/

bladespin

SD card usually, personally I'd be more interested in driving recordings rather than theft as I doubt the cam's pov would capture very much.

TheDoc

Has there been any official comment from the Data Protection office or a reputible body on the standing of these?

I'd be surprised if there were usable in a court and imagine they can only suppliment a statement, if even. They also look to be a risky area relating to Data Protection and Defamation.

I spent two years driving through City Centre Dublin, and noticed an increase in the amount of cyclists using helmet cams, and noticed an absurd amount of cyclists posting videos with the pretence it was a poor ot dangerous driver, but in fact it was a cyclist totally in the wrong.

Raises some interesting questions relating to Data protection at a minimum.

cormie

It's ok to record in public so I can't see how data protection would come into play with a dash cam video as pretty much all footage will be recorded in public.

I've been requested by the Garda to submit video files I recorded to them so there must be some degree of assisting a case with the footage. It does have to be stated as being unaltered and from the original source as far as I know.

TheDoc

cormie wrote: »

It's ok to record in public so I can't see how data protection would come into play with a dash cam video as pretty much all footage will be recorded in public.

I've been requested by the Garda to submit video files I recorded to them so there must be some degree of assisting a case with the footage. It does have to be stated as being unaltered and from the original source as far as I know.

Typical misconception. It's actually not alright. While by and large you can take photographs and video recordings of people in public places, and publish those photos with little issue, in this case you are taking a photograph or video of an individual within their private property.

This can be conceived as a "reasonable expectation of privacy". I believe that you could also be subject to the subjects requests in relation to the photo being taken of them within their private property, and what they would reasonably expect to be a place of privacy.

And then the separate issue arises as you are taking video or photo of what can be portrayed as someones "image", you are now a data controller. And as such are subject to some very strict protocols in managing that data, having a valid reason to store it, having proper facilities to store that data, and most importantly having an explicit purpose for obtaining that data.

there is also then the web of if you took footage of an invidiual and shared it publicly, and that individual then went through court proceeding and was found to have done no wrong, you'd be again liable for defemation and in some cases contempt of court.

I'm not anti dashboard cam or have any beef with them. Just curious as to is there anything concrete here on their purpose or use? Like I said I've never been on the receiving end of one, but I'd be suprised to learn they are actually relevant for anything.

Although can see other threads here where Guardai have requested copies of the footage. That's odd.

Cabaal

Got a dashcam before Christmas really just for peace of mind to be honest,

TheDoc wrote: »

I'm not anti dashboard cam or have any beef with them. Just curious as to is there anything concrete here on their purpose or use? Like I said I've never been on the receiving end of one, but I'd be suprised to learn they are actually relevant for anything.

So lets take one example, you think an insurance company wouldn't be interested in the footage and will use the footage from the car behind if a driver claims they were rear-ended by another car, but in reality the car infront reversed into them?

I think you'll find dashcams can be very relevant to both insurance companys and the Gardai,

hoodie6029

Anyone know if any of the insurance companies give a reduction for having one fitted?

sunnysoutheast

TheDoc wrote: »

Typical misconception. It's actually not alright. While by and large you can take photographs and video recordings of people in public places, and publish those photos with little issue, in this case you are taking a photograph or video of an individual within their private property.

This can be conceived as a "reasonable expectation of privacy". I believe that you could also be subject to the subjects requests in relation to the photo being taken of them within their private property, and what they would reasonably expect to be a place of privacy.

And then the separate issue arises as you are taking video or photo of what can be portrayed as someones "image", you are now a data controller. And as such are subject to some very strict protocols in managing that data, having a valid reason to store it, having proper facilities to store that data, and most importantly having an explicit purpose for obtaining that data.

there is also then the web of if you took footage of an invidiual and shared it publicly, and that individual then went through court proceeding and was found to have done no wrong, you'd be again liable for defemation and in some cases contempt of court.

I'm not anti dashboard cam or have any beef with them. Just curious as to is there anything concrete here on their purpose or use? Like I said I've never been on the receiving end of one, but I'd be suprised to learn they are actually relevant for anything.

Although can see other threads here where Guardai have requested copies of the footage. That's odd.

Would it not operate on the same legal basis as a fixed CCTV camera on your house?

Personally I doubt the footage from either could be used as legal evidence, but for insurance purposes I consider both invaluable.

I would never post footage on Youtube etc. I also wouldn't ever let on I had a dashcam following any accident. If it's spotted, so be it.

kerry4sam

Ibetit wrote: »

Just read the thread Dash cam saves your ass by Mycroft H. Seems like dashcam is very necessary for any car owner. It can be used as a car DVR to record outdoor activities, also for car shooting to take evidence of traffic accident.

Do you guys use dashcams?

I'm getting my dashcam installed later today before I hit the road for a funeral. Gonna hit record and see what it's like. Will be all new to me.

sunnysoutheast

hoodie6029 wrote: »

Anyone know if any of the insurance companies give a reduction for having one fitted?

I didn't find any in Ireland. Some in the UK do.

I don't think it will take long for this to happen, however, perhaps combined with the "black box" type policies initially.

cormie

TheDoc wrote: »

Typical misconception....

That's an interesting take on it, is that just your own perception or how the law actually states it to be? You could post it on this thread and see what the legal folk think: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057334933

Moneymaker

I don't leave home without it.

TheDoc

cormie wrote: »

That's an interesting take on it, is that just your own perception or how the law actually states it to be? You could post it on this thread and see what the legal folk think: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057334933

The law states and references a persons reasonable expectation to privacy. So that's down to interpretation by the court.

Anyway I'm not looking to start a big row or anything. I'm not dismissing dash cams.

Been toying with getting one myself but the lack of clarity on how they are relevant bar a bit of laugh on YouTube is holding me back.

ironclaw

sunnysoutheast wrote: »

I didn't find any in Ireland. Some in the UK do.

I don't think it will take long for this to happen, however, perhaps combined with the "black box" type policies initially.

I think the issue you would have there as what constitutes a dash cam, what it records, quality, fitting, is it operating etc etc. I don't see why they would lower a premium as there is a large difference in dashcams on the market. I'd rather have one to prove I was / wasn't innocent than expect a company to drop my premium.

Also, if you say you have one, you may be in hot water as they'll request it for any claim. Then you have to ask how much data do they have access to, all of it? Only the incident? I'm sure there are plenty of times you'd rather forget you had one, we all have moments.

bladespin

TheDoc wrote: »

in this case you are taking a photograph or video of an individual within their private property.

That would be one serious piece of kit to actually be able to photograph the individual inside the vehicle instead of the vehicle itself.

I doubt there's a DC with a high enough resolution available to do it.

vectra

Wouldnt leave home without it working.
Have the mini 0803 but going to upgrade soon to the 0806,
Not sure if I sell this one or keep it as a rear view cam.

TheDoc

TheDoc wrote: »

The law states and references a persons reasonable expectation to privacy. So that's down to interpretation by the court.

Anyway I'm not looking to start a big row or anything. I'm not dismissing dash cams.

Been toying with getting one myself but the lack of clarity on how they are relevant bar a bit of laugh on YouTube is holding me back.

As a photographer...


Any public place is fair game. There is no reasonable expectation to privacy if you are driving on a public road (do you really think you have any privacy in what is effectively a steel bubble surrounded by windows?).

You could argue an expectation to privacy if you had extreme tints on the car, but even then, if you can be seen through them, tough siht. You can't expect privacy because you thought a tint was darker than it actually is.


Anyone on private property is also fair game, if they can be seen from a public place (ie' if i can see you eating your cereal because your kitchen overlooks the road, then i can photograph you from the street).

If your toilet overlooks the street, and you're peeing with the curtains/blinds open, then i can photograph you from the street all i like.

On the other hand, if you have the curtain closed, but i can still photograph you standing at a very obscure angle to try and see through a small crack in the curtain, then i cant legally do that, as you have a reasonable expectation to privacy (you've made a reasonable attempt to cover up, and it's fair to assume you wouldn't know about the slight crack in the curtain).




For dash cams, 99% of the time you'll be fine. If you're on private property then you're in a gray area (technically if cameras are prohibited in the shopping centre's car park, for example, you're supposed to turn it off upon entering the car park. However any footage taken while there is still yours to use.


You get away with using people's images/faces/whatever because it's 'editorial' use. (Or 'educational' i suppose, in the sense of Youtube videos. :pac: )


(Hence photographers running alongside cars with their cameras against the glass, at the dail, courts, etc.)


(EDIT: My "tough siht" etc. comments aren't directed at you, obviously, Doc. I'm just talking about Joe Soap in general).

Yiikes

I have one which I used for 2 months. I stopped using it as it didnt seem worth it after the novelty wore off, putting it up and down every time and the wire from the cigarette plug to it was annoying me.... I got rear ended the next day.

Hachiko

some wankr keyed my car recently, I am always putting off getting a dash cam but think i need one pronto, one that records outside movement too, like the Blackvue DR650GW.

akura

I've had one for month's but it's still in the box
I kept forgetting to get a memory card but ordered one just now :cool:

TheDoc

Deleted User wrote: »

As a photographer...

(Hence photographers running alongside cars with their cameras against the glass, at the dail, courts, etc.)


(EDIT: My "tough siht" etc. comments aren't directed at you, obviously, Doc. I'm just talking about Joe Soap in general).

Thanks for the reply. Like I said I'm not advocating there IS an issue with them, just had reservations personally before purchasing.

To be honest entirely forgot how people run alongside cars taking photographs, so that dispels my thoughts on a car being potentially viewed as a place of reasonable privacy.

Might have a flick through the other threads and see what the general consensus is on models of cams etc.

cormie

They are well worth the investment, I had a lady knock into the side of me as she was in the wrong lane on a roundabout, as soon as she got out of her car she was saying she knows the ROTR as her husband is a driving instructor and tried put the blame on me. I told her I had it on video and I'd send it to her. The video showed the lane signage before the roundabout so she didn't have any argument after that and we settled up between us, actually it was only €20 for a polish and I told her to donate it to the ISPCA which she was happy to do, but had it been more significant damage and they didn't want to go through insurance, it would have been much easier having the evidence on video.

ScottStorm

vectra wrote: »

Wouldnt leave home without it working.
Have the mini 0803 but going to upgrade soon to the 0806,
Not sure if I sell this one or keep it as a rear view cam.

Keep it for rear view.

Jawgap

Have a Garmin Virb that I use in the car and on the bike - I've come to regard it as almost an essential bit of kit.

mrcheez

You should get one for the front and back of your car, just as I have for the front and back of my bicycle.

When I had an incident and reported it to the Garda (including a DVD of the video), I was told that it could be used as evidence if I wished to proceed with the case.

Next thing we need are drones to follow us and video from a distance: https://www.airdog.com/

EazyD

Does anyone have an idea if the Falcon Zero (Incredisonic) is good? I like the idea of a two way cam in one unit.

RandomAccess

I have a mini 0801 and I'm thinking of upgrading to a higher resolution camera. Maybe to a Vico Marcus.
I would definitely prefer to have a sharper image to capture detail at longer distances.
The most serious incident I captured was a pedestrian walking out in front of a taxi. I got in touch with the Guard that was investigating the incident and gave him a copy of the clip.

JumpShivers

Do you have to take down your dash cams every time you've parked up somewhere, or do you leave them up?
Just wondering if anyone has ever been broken into for their dash cams or it was mistaken for a GPS.

RandomAccess

JumpShivers wrote: »

Do you have to take down your dash cams every time you've parked up somewhere, or do you leave them up?
Just wondering if anyone has ever been broken into for their dash cams or it was mistaken for a GPS.

The Mini 0801 is a very tiny camera, if its installed discretely then you would only see it if you looked for it. So I leave mine up all the time.

But if you parked in a dodgy area (which is inadvisable anyway) it can very quickly be unclipped from the mount.

funnysunny

What about MINI 0806? Can't find any review about this dashcam

vectra

funnysunny wrote: »

What about MINI 0806? Can't find any review about this dashcam

Here > https://forum.dashcamtalk.com/forums/mini-0806.95/

sunnysoutheast

JumpShivers wrote: »

Do you have to take down your dash cams every time you've parked up somewhere, or do you leave them up?
Just wondering if anyone has ever been broken into for their dash cams or it was mistaken for a GPS.

We have Mini 801s and just leave them in place all the time. They are mounted as discretely as possible by the mirror.

I'm not sure the mount for the 801 would handle regular clipping and unclipping that well.

H3llR4iser

I don't have a dashcam but often think about getting one. The closest I have been to needing one was about one year ago, when I was queued in traffic behind a SUV driver, who almost reversed into me while trying to maneuver to a different lane. If it hit me, the driver would surely have claimed I rear ended them.

I can also see how they could be useful in case they captured criminal activities or traffic collisions not involving the car they are mounted on. Sometimes the CCTV installed on buses is used this way.

However I do think there should be some kind of regulatory act, as many people seem to take the vigilante stance and try to use the cams as tools to create cases around victimless crimes. The example mentioned earlier about cyclists+helmet cam+shaming is a good one...and some car drivers aren't immune to the virus.

bladespin

H3llR4iser wrote: »

However I do think there should be some kind of regulatory act, as many people seem to take the vigilante stance and try to use the cams as tools to create cases around victimless crimes. The example mentioned earlier about cyclists+helmet cam+shaming is a good one...and some car drivers aren't immune to the virus.

The data protection act should be enough to cover their use; camera - public place etc etc.