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House Planning

  • 18-01-2015 9:36pm
    #1
    SuperO'B
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭


    Hi there,

    I am looking at buying/building a house and trying to work out which is the better option for me. I have plans for a house done on a website that I would like but nothing official or with correct measurements.

    Does anyone have any recommendations for an architect or draftsman in Limerick that could convert the plans into something I could use to get quotes for a build? It wouldn't have to be perfect and ready to build on but enough to get a decent enough quote so I know the ball park figures I'm dealing with and can make a decision.

    I'm new at this so haven't got a clue really..


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  • #2
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,357 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    What size is the house?
    A lot will depend on planning constraints.


  • #3
    SuperO'B
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭SuperO'B


    kceire wrote: »
    What size is the house?
    A lot will depend on planning constraints.

    We're aiming for in and around 3600 sq/ft. Basically we have an outline that we like and would like to see what a quote would be for that general design and at that size. At least then we can look and see if building is not an option given the quotations and the hassle of building. If it is financially worth it then we can look at getting a detailed design done.

    I'm aware that a lot of the build costs can come down to finish etc. which I don't have in the general outline but even if quotes are €20k-€30k out then that would still be good enough for me to make a decision. Would I be better going to an Architect or draftsman do you reckon and any recommendations if so?

    Thanks


  • #4
    goz83
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,035 ✭✭✭goz83


    At 400m, assuming a cost of €1500 per metre, you're looking at 600k.


  • #5
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,357 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    SuperO'B wrote: »
    We're aiming for in and around 3600 sq/ft. Basically we have an outline that we like and would like to see what a quote would be for that general design and at that size. At least then we can look and see if building is not an option given the quotations and the hassle of building. If it is financially worth it then we can look at getting a detailed design done.

    I'm aware that a lot of the build costs can come down to finish etc. which I don't have in the general outline but even if quotes are €20k-€30k out then that would still be good enough for me to make a decision. Would I be better going to an Architect or draftsman do you reckon and any recommendations if so?

    Thanks

    As above, 600k would be a preliminary budget outline. If that scares you then adjust budget or house style.


  • #6
    SuperO'B
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭SuperO'B


    kceire wrote: »
    As above, 600k would be a preliminary budget outline. If that scares you then adjust budget or house style.

    That's a bit more than I was expecting. I was asking friends etc. over the weekend who have built and they said I was estimating too high at €120 per square foot. One of my mates built a 2600 sq/ft house for €150k. It was direct labour alrite but still a large difference. Anybody know anyone in the Limerick area who could draft up some plans?


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  • #7
    ht9zni1gs28crp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,011 ✭✭✭ht9zni1gs28crp


    2600sq/ft for a €150K is unbelievably impressive...

    im at 1880sg/ft and will be highly delighted to get it in at €150k...that's direct labour to the bone...


  • #8
    db
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭db


    You will get a lot more for your money if you buy rather than build in the Limerick area at the moment. House prices are still close to rock bottom and there is plenty of choice out there. If you factor in the time to get planning (if you can), then to get your mortgage in place, select the builder and wait for him to be ready to start and build time, you are looking at a minimum of 2 years. In the meantime you can be sure the costs of building will have gone up. Unless you have a site and are confident of getting planning you are better off buying at the moment.


  • #9
    SuperO'B
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭SuperO'B


    db wrote: »
    You will get a lot more for your money if you buy rather than build in the Limerick area at the moment. House prices are still close to rock bottom and there is plenty of choice out there. If you factor in the time to get planning (if you can), then to get your mortgage in place, select the builder and wait for him to be ready to start and build time, you are looking at a minimum of 2 years. In the meantime you can be sure the costs of building will have gone up. Unless you have a site and are confident of getting planning you are better off buying at the moment.
    This is a major factor for me as well I must say. The hassle of organising and building versus buying a house and maybe doing it up if needs be could be enough to swing it.


  • #10
    SuperO'B
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭SuperO'B


    Paola Spoiled Trip wrote: »
    2600sq/ft for a €150K is unbelievably impressive...

    im at 1880sg/ft and will be highly delighted to get it in at €150k...that's direct labour to the bone...

    Ya I'll double check but he's an honest bloke and wouldn't have any need to make anything up about it. It's a fine house as well.


  • #11
    BryanF
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 10,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭BryanF


    SuperO'B wrote: »
    Ya I'll double check but he's an honest bloke and wouldn't have any need to make anything up about it. It's a fine house as well.
    But his prize was direct labour and probably to a differnet set of building Regs.
    You are aware that part L 2011 renewable Regs and the si9 BCA regs means only your assugned certifer will not except self-building


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  • #12
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,357 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Paola Spoiled Trip wrote: »
    2600sq/ft for a €150K is unbelievably impressive...

    im at 1880sg/ft and will be highly delighted to get it in at €150k...that's direct labour to the bone...

    You start building before March 2014 yeah.
    New building control regs mean the OP cannot go direct labour at this time.


  • #13
    SuperO'B
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭SuperO'B


    kceire wrote: »
    You start building before March 2014 yeah.
    New building control regs mean the OP cannot go direct labour at this time.

    Any chance of expanding on this?


  • #14
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,357 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    SuperO'B wrote: »
    Any chance of expanding on this?

    Have a read here

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1626

    Also check ou the BCMS System.
    Also Google "Building Control Ammendment Regulations 2014"


  • #15
    SuperO'B
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭SuperO'B


    kceire wrote: »
    Have a read here


    Also check ou the BCMS System.
    Also Google "Building Control Ammendment Regulations 2014"

    Thanks for the link. I've read up as much as I can on this. The new regulations state that you can still do direct labour on a property but am I right in guessing that the wording of the regulations mean that you can only do the direct labour if it is actually you yourself doing the work and deemed a competent builder? Basically, the option to delegate direct labour is gone?


  • #16
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 42,171 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    SuperO'B wrote: »
    Thanks for the link. I've read up as much as I can on this. The new regulations state that you can still do direct labour on a property but am I right in guessing that the wording of the regulations mean that you can only do the direct labour if it is actually you yourself doing the work and deemed a competent builder? Basically, the option to delegate direct labour is gone?

    it basically breaks down to:
    your assigned certifier must be willing to accept a novice as a competent builder in order to continue with what is commonly referred to as 'direct labour' builds, and a client will pay a hefty premium for that to happen. Most assigned certifiers will not accept a novice declaring themselves as a 'competent builder' nor should they do so either.


  • #17
    SuperO'B
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭SuperO'B


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    it basically breaks down to:
    your assigned certifier must be willing to accept a novice as a competent builder in order to continue with what is commonly referred to as 'direct labour' builds, and a client will pay a hefty premium for that to happen. Most assigned certifiers will not accept a novice declaring themselves as a 'competent builder' nor should they do so either.

    Ok thanks. I still have the option however of hiring direct labour as opposed to a building contractor to do the work? Assuming of course that the assigned certifier is happy with the competency of the tradesman used?


  • #18
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 42,171 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    SuperO'B wrote: »
    Ok thanks. I still have the option however of hiring direct labour as opposed to a building contractor to do the work? Assuming of course that the assigned certifier is happy with the competency of the tradesman used?

    No, not really.

    Someone has to sign the form, prior to commencement, to say they are the nominated builder..... and take in all the responsibilities which is included.

    So either you sign as the builder. ... something the assigned certifier probably wouldn't accept, or you get a builder to accept the responsibilities and sign the form. ... but your basically appointing a contractor at that stage.


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