gay as an insult \slagging sexuality

Robsweezie

are you at all arsed about this, straight or gay? when lads tell each other to "come out the closet" and dish the fAgg!t word as part of banter would it rile you at all? or labelling certain actions or interests as gay?

wouldn't bother me too much from a straight standpoint, but that could be just because it doesn't affect me directly. is it just harmless banter or harmful ignorance? have we become so Pc that we can't go there Anymore?

I feel you have to look at that the intention behind it. it can seem ignorant coming from people but if used in a joking context is it all that harmful? it strikes me as humorous ignorance in the sense that when I hear it from folks I dismiss it as their own brand of humour. I know of someone who continuously uses "that's so gay" "I'm not doing that, that's gay" " he\she acts so gay". but coming from him I understand his mentality and level of maturity and so it fits his character.

so is it really that big of a deal? is it all down to context?

DEFTLEFTHAND

Still widely used, for instance I was golfing on saturday morning and hit a wicked fcuking duckhook off the 1st tee. 'You swing like a ******' was a comment from one of my playing partners.

DoYouEvenLift

Definitely down to context, I know gay people who still call other gay people and friends fags and f*ggots jokingly, I don't think it's really that big of a deal or offensive since you can tell if someone is insulting you jokingly like friends do or if they're doing it maliciously

FluffyAngel

many years ago it was an insult or a way to demean a person..

my son now uses it different context meaning ..and has laughed when i ask him to stop .

took me ages to suss that 'sick' didnt mean rushing him to the gp

words and their meanings like time changes ,its the people and there inabilty to get past there predjuices that remain the same.

whiskeyman

If you were to use it in the workplace, you'd be handed your P45 pretty swiftly, so I do think it's still kind of a big deal.

WeHaveToGoBack

Has OP been watching Big Brother? :P

Dr Turk Turkelton

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Still widely used, for instance I was golfing on saturday morning and hit a wicked fcuking duckhook off the 1st tee. 'You swing like a ******' was a comment from one of my playing partners.

Whatever about insulting your sexuality but insulting your golf swing is a step too far.

Menas

Nothing like a bit of lads banter to remind us that some people still live in the stoneage.

anncoates

Thread is gay.

ziedth

As strange as it is I would use gay or queen with the lads messing but I couldn't see myself using the word fagg0t. for example to me anyway "that shirt really makes you look gay" sounds allot better than "that shirt makes you look like a fagg0t "

Quazzie

People need to realise that it is not important what words are used but it is all about how they are used and the intention behind them.

There will always be someone though who will take offense at the smallest of things, so they'll kick up a shítstorm regardless.

OnTheCouch

ziedth wrote: »

As strange as it is I would use gay or queen with the lads messing but I couldn't see myself using the word fagg0t. for example to me anyway "that shirt really makes you look gay" sounds allot better than "that shirt makes you look like a fagg0t "

Well that's because being gay is not an insult in itself. At least it shouldn't be. It's describing someone's sexual orientation, nothing more, nothing less. But queen and fagg0t are demeaning adjectives for gay people.

Same if I were to say what one of my friends is wearing makes him look like a woman. It's not insulting to women to say that. Just that the item of clothing is by societal norms in any case, more suited to a female. If I were to say that it makes him look like a bird on the other hand, there may be somewhat more objection if women were present.

Help!!!!

Gay traditionally means "happy" so shouldn't be an insult

hfallada

Help!!!! wrote: »

Gay traditionally means "happy" so shouldn't be an insult

But I have yet to hear it used in that context since the 1960s.

I find it weird how in Ireland, if you use the N word you are a racist. But call someone a ****** or gay and its funny. Why is there such double standards for no good reason?

efb

I told my nephew that if he used that phrase or racist language he wouldn't be welcome in my house

efb

DoYouEvenLift wrote: »

Definitely down to context, I know gay people who still call other gay people and friends fags and f*ggots jokingly, I don't think it's really that big of a deal or offensive since you can tell if someone is insulting you jokingly like friends do or if they're doing it maliciously

It does demean the person. I see it the same as the N word

Sir Osis of Liver.

efb wrote: »

It does demean the person. I see it the same as the N word

Nacker?

cloud493

I don't use it myself, but I don't have a problem people saying it, long as its in a joking way. I'm not gay myself mind.

efb

Nıgger

padd b1975

Quazzie wrote: »

There will always be someone though who will take offense at the smallest of things, so they'll kick up a shítstorm regardless.

QFT.

Fukuyama

Depends how it's said. And it's not just in Ireland - virtually every single English speaking country uses gay/fag as a joke insult.

I know gay men who'd people gay for having a trait or habit that'd be very stereotypical of gay people. It's a joke. Would never actually call someone a ****** or homo or some other such term in a derogatory way. Definitely not if I though they were sensitive about it.

My mate buys these farpa-mocha-skinney-late-marshmallow "coffees". I laugh and tell him they're gay. I mean they're supper childish/feminine, not that they're attracted to BBC (Big Black Coffees). :P

Chorcai

South Park Season 13 | Episode 12

Will explain it for you.

DeJa VooDoo

Robsweezie wrote: »

are you at all arsed about this, straight or gay? when lads tell each other to "come out the closet" and dish the fAgg!t word as part of banter would it rile you at all? or labelling certain actions or interests as gay?

wouldn't bother me too much from a straight standpoint, but that could be just because it doesn't affect me directly. is it just harmless banter or harmful ignorance? have we become so Pc that we can't go there Anymore?

I feel you have to look at that the intention behind it. it can seem ignorant coming from people but if used in a joking context is it all that harmful? it strikes me as humorous ignorance in the sense that when I hear it from folks I dismiss it as their own brand of humour. I know of someone who continuously uses "that's so gay" "I'm not doing that, that's gay" " he\she acts so gay". but coming from him I understand his mentality and level of maturity and so it fits his character.

so is it really that big of a deal? is it all down to context?

Context is everything.
At the same time some people wake up every morning looking to 'take offence'.

And there's plenty of them up this morning and logged on....

padd b1975

Chorcai wrote: »

South Park Season 13 | Episode 12

Will explain it for you.

I prefer to be guided by real life experiences.

The_Valeyard

Wait...what? Like if someone said:


"Uh, this thread is sooooo gay"

Richard Hillman

I always call my friends fags and always will.

Turtyturd

Don't think either of them should be used today as an insult to anybody but calling someone gay has a childish ring to it. Fagg*t on the other hand is almost aggressive and a lot more derogatory Imo.

Joeseph Balls

Haven't heard the term in years bar Fairy tale of New York. Probably since primary school 20 years ago.

ziedth

ziedth wrote: »

As strange as it is I would use gay or queen with the lads messing but I couldn't see myself using the word fagg0t. for example to me anyway "that shirt really makes you look gay" sounds allot better than "that shirt makes you look like a fagg0t "

That's not stange at all imo. Comments like "that's so gay" or "Ha, ghey!" are often said light-heartedly without any actual malice behind them. I don't use the phrase myself (unless it's an in joke with friends who know that I'm heterosexually challenged) but I don't get outraged on hearing them either. Context is important for that one.

"Fagg0t" though is a much more sinister and hateful word, specifically designed to ridicule and shame someone. I'd definitely feel uncomfortable hearing people use it (unless they're singing "Fairytale of New York"), doubly so if it was directed at me.

Although I did get a cheap giggle when I was living in the UK and saw "******s in gravy" on a menu! :pac:

BetterThanThou

I'm gay and really don't give a crap. Words like "fag" and "queer" don't really refer to someone's sexual orientation anymore, I personally use them quite a lot with my friends, usually it's a generic insult, like "c***", it has no meaning, just to be an insult. Hell, I'll even use the phase "that's gay" if something doesn't go the way I wanted it to. I'll admit, I purposely use that phrase just because it's ironic, but I have absolutely no problem with others using phrases like that, they've totally evolved from what they originally meant. Of course, they can still be used in a negative way against homosexuals, but that's quite rare.

dd972

This sort of badinage among blokes is usually an attempt to portray a ''jack-the-lad'' persona and try to distance oneself from being too bookish, sensitive, etc, anything that the western male stereotype frowns upon. Usually there's no aggressive or malevolent Homophobia behind it all.

Annasopra

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I always call my friends fags and always will.

If I had "friends" calling me that they would no longer be friends and I would certainly let them know that their choice of names is scumbaggish.

Cienciano

I have no problems calling things gay. Some things just are. Personally I wouldn't call someone a fag or ******. Comes across a bit harsh

DeJa VooDoo

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I always call my friends fags and always will.

Isn't a fag a cigarette?
As in when you're out for a scoop and your mate says 'are you going out for a fag?'

Donkey Oaty

BetterThanThou wrote: »

I'm gay and

Could not read any further than this because it is bound to be some sort of diatribe that takes offence at everything, like that lot always do.

Dr Turk Turkelton

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

Could not read any further than this because it is bound to be some sort of diatribe that takes offence at everything, like that lot always do.

Read on in future...