UPC wall socket in my attic

MarkY91

so i have a wall socket in the istting room behind the tv and thats where it connects to my router. getting horrible wifi after "upgrading". just rememebred there that there is a wall socket in the attic that has wires going into the bedrooms connected to our upc boxes upstairs.

this may be a dumb question but could i connect my router to that and have it work like normal? i could then buy a very long cable and run it down to my bedroom and have my router there. would literally save me from canceling upc broadband if all i said is possible.

update>> just remembered we have home phone. that needs to stay downstairs. what im thinking is..

phone connected to horizon box in living room
upc router connected to wall socket in attic like i said originally.

possible?

cerastes

If UPC did the connection then possibly, they put some kind of a splitter/filter device on it to seperate the connection type to the modem/router, so this might be easy enough for them to do, especially if its near the hatch and they dont have to even get into the attic.

I have my router in the attic, I keep meaning to mount it on the underside of the upstairs ceiling, I plug my phone base station of the phone into the modem/router (its a combined device) and then have a second charge stand to charge the two phones off downstairs. I just swap the phones around from time to time or check what the charge status is when about to use them

MarkY91

cerastes wrote: »

If UPC did the connection then possibly, they put some kind of a splitter/filter device on it to seperate the connection type to the modem/router, so this might be easy enough for them to do, especially if its near the hatch and they dont have to even get into the attic.

I have my router in the attic, I keep meaning to mount it on the underside of the upstairs ceiling, I plug my phone base station of the phone into the modem/router (its a combined device) and then have a second charge stand to charge the two phones off downstairs. I just swap the phones around from time to time or check what the charge status is when about to use them

too late for me to be messing around now so ill have to have a go in the morning. are you saying it is possible only if i get upc to call out? and yes its right at the hatch. no need for me to even get off the ladder. i do remember that there is metres upon metres of wire all around the attic that eventually led to the 3 bedrooms and eventually to outside somewhere. there is a splitter too if that helps.

this is what im resorting to. had the epc3925 on 120mb package and had never had a wifi problem. got horizon a week ago and havent even been able to watch netflix on the ps4, got them to send a router out(they dont supply epc3925 anymore) the router isnt any better than horizon

sp hopefully tomorrow, i get this set up!

ED E

Phone cant go to the horizon if the internet has been de-consolidated. Has to connect to the modem in use. If your house is prewired for phones you could tap the phone in in the attic and have it feed the sockets downstairs from the attic. If not just use a second cordless base station pared to the one in the attic.

cerastes

MarkY91 wrote: »

too late for me to be messing around now so ill have to have a go in the morning. are you saying it is possible only if i get upc to call out? and yes its right at the hatch. no need for me to even get off the ladder. i do remember that there is metres upon metres of wire all around the attic that eventually led to the 3 bedrooms and eventually to outside somewhere. there is a splitter too if that helps.

this is what im resorting to. had the epc3925 on 120mb package and had never had a wifi problem. got horizon a week ago and havent even been able to watch netflix on the ps4, got them to send a router out(they dont supply epc3925 anymore) the router isnt any better than horizon

sp hopefully tomorrow, i get this set up!

To be precise, I dont know for sure, you'll have to contact UPC with what your set up is, Im not fully sure what it is, but it sounds to me like you have
a cable tv connection to your living room and a seperate tv connection to your attic, if this was fitted by UPC they may be able to test and use it.
Mine is split using some kind of filter device at a little white box outside similar to and below the gas/elec meter boxes (cant recal what that box is called now), where a seperate line goes to the attic and thats where I connect my router/modem combined device. Its here that I plug in my phone connection using the main base station and I then keep a charge/repeater station down at the phone table.

I also had meters of wire in my attic that I fitted a long time prior to digital using a splitter/booster, I dont know if UPC would use that, be better to get them to either test it and see if its ok or let them run a seperate line to fix their fault/your problem. If they fitted the wring for other tv points themselves in the past, I cant see how they wouldnt be able to use it. I dont know what the billing implications are of having a second line, but if you are having internet problems then you could tell them you want them to do it or suggest you'd have to cancel your service, (assuming you are willing to say that and follow it through, easy for me to say, but its your internet access).

They might be willing to clamber around your attic? I dont know, but they may be able to do any work just with the hatch open if everything is in reach (something I prefer myself in case someone else puts their foot in it, ie the ceiling).
So possibly they might be able to do add a filter device and use a line there?
These are just ideas/options

I replied when I saw the query and you mentioned phone as I do what ED E says, ie main phone base station unit plugged into modem/router device (which is also a charger but is unused as that) in attic and repeater/phone charger downstairs.
It is possible to keep a router in attic/seperate and have Horizon too, at least as far as I was told, that may differ location to locations (I believe as ED E says, this is call de-consolidating? as I asked and was told told this when I was iffy about taking up the horizon offer as I was concerned about my internet connection deteriorating, as of yet I still havent taken up Horizon. I was told I could keep my old router and still have horizon.

Also, I do not know what speeds you will get with a wifi router in the attic or even a wifi router anywhere with your usage? (netflixs?) maybe you'd need to hardwire something? Others may advise better on that, but Id be interested to see the answer myself.

MarkY91

Thanks for the replies. It seems to be a lot of hassle and I couldn't understand some of what yous said as I'm not familiar with all of this.ill follow up on it in the morning and if somehow it works then great. Then I'd have to sort the phone out. That's mosty the part I can't get my head around when yous explained.

I could go with home plugs but for 2 pairs they're very expensive and I'd rather not go spending money I don't have because of upc killing off my half decent wifi

cerastes

MarkY91 wrote: »

Thanks for the replies. It seems to be a lot of hassle and I couldn't understand some of what yous said as I'm not familiar with all of this.ill follow up on it in the morning and if somehow it works then great. Then I'd have to sort the phone out. That's mosty the part I can't get my head around when yous explained.

I could go with home plugs but for 2 pairs they're very expensive and I'd rather not go spending money I don't have because of upc killing off my half decent wifi

Hassle? seems like a very easy fix.
Seperate your wifi from your tv at some point, you seem to have wiring in place that may manage this.
Then as most landline type phones have two base stations (one sending out the signal and a charger to the phones and the other a simply a charger.
You could put the main unit wherever your router is put, and the other anywhere convenient for you to leave it.

No idea what you mean about home plugs? you mean sending the broadband around the electrical wiring? which I believe was an option at some point, havent heard of it in a while,
2 pairs? twisted pairs? I dont think its that expensive, unless you are buying short lenghts of pre moulded leads. The hassle to me with hardwiring is getting it physically around the house without it looking too bad or having to drill to many holes.

MarkY91

cerastes wrote: »

Hassle? seems like a very easy fix.
Seperate your wifi from your tv at some point, you seem to have wiring in place that may manage this.
Then as most landline type phones have two base stations (one sending out the signal and a charger to the phones and the other a simply a charger.
You could put the main unit wherever your router is put, and the other anywhere convenient for you to leave it.

No idea what you mean about home plugs? you mean sending the broadband around the electrical wiring? which I believe was an option at some point, havent heard of it in a while,
2 pairs? twisted pairs? I dont think its that expensive, unless you are buying short lenghts of pre moulded leads. The hassle to me with hardwiring is getting it physically around the house without it looking too bad or having to drill to many holes.

The phone only has one station. One to charge it. I'll give it a go now and see how I get on. I said it seems a hassle as its a bit confusing for me all of this

MarkY91

so i tried it. it was unsuccessfull. i even connected my laptop via ethernet and it could not get going.

i cant get my head around how to get it going even though it was been explained sadly. i think ill just try run a freakishly long ethernet cable up to my room!

cerastes

MarkY91 wrote: »

so i tried it. it was unsuccessfull. i even connected my laptop via ethernet and it could not get going.

i cant get my head around how to get it going even though it was been explained sadly. i think ill just try run a freakishly long ethernet cable up to my room!

you tried it? whats it? what did you do,
If you mean you just connected up to the cable in the attic.
You have to ensure these cable connections are connected and set up for use with UPC, you cant just plug into them and expect them to work, do they even have a filter or are they connected to UPC?
Ring UPC when they are available, thats what you are paying them for, the service, get them to resolve it I suggest, based on whats been said in the thread, you should have more than enough information.

MarkY91

cerastes wrote: »

you tried it? whats it? what did you do,
If you mean you just connected up to the cable in the attic.
You have to ensure these cable connections are connected and set up for use with UPC, you cant just plug into them and expect them to work, do they even have a filter or are they connected to UPC?
Ring UPC when they are available, thats what you are paying them for, the service, get them to resolve it I suggest, based on whats been said in the thread, you should have more than enough information.

yeah i just connected them. its a upc socket that they installed for the tv boxes upstairs. ill give them a ring tomorrow as its sunday.

i wish i knew more of this so i could explain and solve it myself but sadly im unable to do neither

MarkY91

GOOD NEWS! i got it working. all i need now is a long coax cable to go down where my tv cable comes from in my ceiling the i can take the router into my bedroom. but it IS indeed working as is.

my last proble is the home phone. you say i need a 2nd base? where do i get one that works for the phone?

after that, i cant see any other queries or problems i may encounter

ED E

What phone have you got? Depending on model you might need to buy a twinpack of a new model.

MarkY91

ED E wrote: »

What phone have you got? Depending on model you might need to buy a twinpack of a new model.

Gigaset AS300 supplied from upc(i think) only one shows up on adverts. 25 euro

cerastes

I might have one, I'll look.

MarkY91

cerastes wrote: »

I might have one, I'll look.

that would be great! really dont have the cash to be wasting away to fix upc's awfull service.

degsie

cerastes wrote: »

Then as most landline type phones have two base stations (one sending out the signal and a charger to the phones and the other a simply a charger.
You could put the main unit wherever your router is put, and the other anywhere convenient for you to leave it.

This sounds confusing to me! A twin DECT set normally comes with one base station (with integrated charging cradle), one separate charging cradle, and two phones. You would register both phones to the base station. The base station would be connected to where your service provider provides a POTS phone port. The other phone can sit anywhere else within range of the base station on its own charging cradle. So, you only need ONE base station.

ED E

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B005BCPI68/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used

15 quid used on amazon.

cerastes

degsie wrote: »

This sounds confusing to me! A twin DECT set normally comes with one base station (with integrated charging cradle), one separate charging cradle, and two phones. You would register both phones to the base station. The base station would be connected to where your service provider provides a POTS phone port. The other phone can sit anywhere else within range of the base station on its own charging cradle. So, you only need ONE base station.

Im sure the OP said he didnt have a spare charging cradle, if he doesnt then getting into or opening the attic to charge the phone/s isnt practical.
He will still need a charging station.

cerastes

I have the spare charging cradle, I had the AS300 off UPC, I was given a different pair of phones, I dont know where the rest of it is, but the spare charging cradle is there, Im sure it works but I havent and cant test it as no gigaset phone, cant find that.
edit, if you want its yours Im not using it.
If you can collect near me thats fine, I could arrange to meet you nearby me, where are you based?

MarkY91

cerastes wrote: »

I have the spare charging cradle, I had the AS300 off UPC, I was given a different pair of phones, I dont know where the rest of it is, but the spare charging cradle is there, Im sure it works but I havent and cant test it as no gigaset phone, cant find that.

ill pm you!

MarkY91

yeah, ill be drilling a hole in me ceiling so my router can be placed in my room. the base from the phone will be beside the router plugged into it. with another base, i can charge it using it wherever i like and use it as long as it can receive a signal from the one in my room? it should as ive often been on the phone out in the back garden which is a good distance.

have a cat5e ethernet wire. should i buy a cat6? ill go into maplin in town and get the long wire and a cat6 if it is reccomended to get.

cerastes

I should have said, you can have it, dont want or need it anyway, just laying around the place, well in a box of other stuff.
If you send me on your address I might be able to drop it off later as going out, but not really free during the week other than that.

degsie

cerastes wrote: »

Im sure the OP said he didnt have a spare charging cradle, if he doesnt then getting into or opening the attic to charge the phone/s isnt practical.
He will still need a charging station.

Ah, ok. I thought you were getting the terms 'base unit' and 'charging cradle' mixed up

MarkY91

sadly cerastes spare charging unit didnt fit my AS300

cerastes

ED E wrote: »

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B005BCPI68/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used

15 quid used on amazon.

This seems to be the best option, argos have a sale on now but they dont have anything close or cheaper unless its a single phone which arent the same make.

degsie

The DECT standard allows phones from different manufacturers to interoperate.

cerastes

degsie wrote: »

The DECT standard allows phones from different manufacturers to interoperate.

I see, didnt realise, still it'd be handy to have the same phones/charge stations so they match the charging units and are not searching for the right one phone/charger combination, but that may be something the OP is willing to put up with.
The amazon offer seems a fairly good offer with three phones, it is sterling though with a fiver on top for delivery, using a parcelmotel account might make that handier, but I dont think you'd get three phones or two phones, even a basic setup new here would work out similar, unless the OP can get the same phone type.
Might be worth checking the exact model and going on ebay too.