blocking music downloads

JuneJones

I heard something on the news some isp would be made to block music downloads like eircom. I did not know eircom blocked music downloads but i do not download so would not know


If someone was using a vpn could the isp still block them? would the isp know what the person with the vpn was doing.? i am curious

yoyo

It happened a while back Irish ISPs were ordered to block the Pirate Bay site.
Mod: Please feel free to discuss the issue but no mentioning proxies/VPNs or any method of bypassing these restrictions, thanks

Nick

ED E

yoyo wrote: »

It happened a while back Irish ISPs were ordered to block the Pirate Bay site.

This is different and predates that.

Eircom operate the three strikes policy. In simple terms:

1. Joe Soap torrents Album X by record company Y
2. Record Company Y pay company z to monitor all torrents they can find of their content and record IPs.
3. Any IPs within the eircom block trigger a letter from company z to eircom to say "your user at this ip at this time was pirating, stoppit!"
4. Eircom give Joe Soap warning.

On his third warning Joe Soap is meant to be cut off. Never heard of it happening but I assume some idiot has continued with multiple warnings.

No other ISP do it, only eircom. All ISPs bloc TBP and KAT as set down by the high court. Now the IRMA and Sony/WB want them to force UPC to follow suit.

JuneJones

ED E wrote: »

This is different a predates that.

Eircom operate the three strikes policy. In simple terms:

1. Joe Soap torrents Album X by record company Y
2. Record Company Y pay company z to monitor all torrents they can find of their content and record IPs.
3. Any IPs within the eircom block trigger a letter from company z to eircom to say "your user at this ip at this time was pirating, stoppit!"
4. Eircom give Joe Soap warning.

On his third warning Joe Soap is meant to be cut off. Never heard of it happening but I assume some idiot has continued with multiple warnings.

No other ISP do it, only eircom. All ISPs bloc TBP and KAT as set down by the high court. Now the IRMA and Sony/WB want them to force UPC to follow suit.

that's it upc

but don't eircom know anyway what people download?

ED E

Eircom dont care. Its the tracking company that do the legwork.

If the music companies can force UPC to do what eircom do (comply with notices) then the precedent will be pretty well set and the smaller operators may well cave to doing the same. UPC have fought them previously though so itll be interesting to see.

JuneJones

ED E wrote: »

Eircom dont care.
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isn't that facilitating it? they know who does it but say nothing

mordeith

JuneJones wrote: »

isn't that facilitating it? they know who does it but say nothing

They are just the service providers. From their point of view they are not responsible for what people use the service for

ED E

JuneJones wrote: »

isn't that facilitating it? they know who does it but say nothing

ESB provide me mains power. If I use that to grow weed, is that the ESBs fault?

ISPs provide a pipe. The users choose what to do with it.

JuneJones

ED E wrote: »

ESB provide me mains power. If I use that to grow weed, is that the ESBs fault?

ISPs provide a pipe. The users choose what to do with it.

but the esb do not know if you grow weed. eircom do know what is happening

yoyo

JuneJones wrote: »

but the esb do not know if you grow weed. eircom do know what is happening

No they don't. For Eircom or any ISP for that matter to employ deep packet inspection, along with the manpower to monitor their thousands of customers just would not be feasible.
To block peer to peer communication methods like torrents likewise would have a knock on effect on many other internet services, online gaming, Skype to name a few

Nick

RikuoAmero

No other ISP do it, only eircom. All ISPs bloc TBP and KAT as set down by the high court.

I'm on Eircom and KAT isn't blocked for me. I don't use a proxy or VPN, I just click the bookmark and it loads (it takes a few seconds longer than most other sites, but apart from that, it works fine).

Dozen Wicked Words

RikuoAmero wrote: »

I'm on Eircom and KAT isn't blocked for me. I don't use a proxy or VPN, I just click the bookmark and it loads (it takes a few seconds longer than most other sites, but apart from that, it works fine).

What browser? Opera?

RikuoAmero

Dozen Wicked Words wrote: »

What browser? Opera?

All of them. I'm going to test them now. Chrome, Firefox, IE, works on all of them. Win 7 machine.

JuneJones

RikuoAmero wrote: »

I'm on Eircom and KAT isn't blocked for me. I don't use a proxy or VPN, I just click the bookmark and it loads (it takes a few seconds longer than most other sites, but apart from that, it works fine).

me neither just checked and do not have vpn or proxy either.

RikuoAmero

JuneJones wrote: »

me neither just checked and do not have vpn or proxy either.

TPB was blocked for me, but KAT never has been. I wonder...could it have something to do with the fact I set my router's DNS settings to OpenDNS or Google DNS (can't remember which, it's one or the other)?

ED E

RikuoAmero wrote: »

TPB was blocked for me, but KAT never has been. I wonder...could it have something to do with the fact I set my router's DNS settings to OpenDNS or Google DNS (can't remember which, it's one or the other)?

Some ISPs only block on the DNS level (UPC), others block the IPs themselves.

Since the TBP seizure some of the blocks seem to have been disabled.