Tipperary greenway?

corktina

http://tippfm.com/news/unused_tipp_rail_line_could_become_a_greenway

BrianD3

An ambitious proposal, the disused line can be followed on Google maps but it looks like much of it has been incorporated into fields etc.

Examples of road overbridges

https://maps.google.ie/maps?q=Laffansbridge,+Tipperary&hl=en&ll=52.651942,-7.836556&spn=0.008123,0.045447&sll=52.629729,-7.818146&sspn=0.287986,0.727158&oq=laffans+bridge+t&t=h&hnear=Laffansbridge,+County+Tipperary&z=15&layer=c&cbll=52.651936,-7.836535&panoid=JvaVAdhMk3Hgx6-qlfUCGg&cbp=11,123.82,,0,0

https://maps.google.ie/maps?q=Laffansbridge,+Tipperary&hl=en&ll=52.633506,-7.809691&spn=0.008126,0.045447&sll=52.629729,-7.818146&sspn=0.287986,0.727158&oq=laffans+bridge+t&t=h&hnear=Laffansbridge,+County+Tipperary&z=15&layer=c&cbll=52.633504,-7.809702&panoid=i0eyL6IL1sYngQuWlra98w&cbp=11,312.3,,0,0

Del.Monte

Great article. :rolleyes: Railway between Thurles and Clonmel which went out of service several years ago - 1963 !!!!! It passes through a load of fields and little else - most of it ploughed up years ago.

monument

Del.Monte wrote: »

It passes through a load of fields and little else - most of it ploughed up years ago.

Just like the Great Westren Greenway then?

questionmark?

Doubt it will happen but if it did it would be great not just for tourists but locals alike. I spend most of my time in Bristol and they have the Bristol to Bath cycle path along an old railway line, now I know the population is much greater but the usage is huge, both for commuters and parents bringing the kids out at the weekend.

Grab All Association

Numbers weren't as bad as they said they were. Also the line wasn't closed fully until the early 70s. (correct me if I'm wrong) It was still used for beet trains.

Del.Monte

Chris___ wrote: »

Numbers weren't as bad as they said they were. Also the line wasn't closed fully until the early 70s. (correct me if I'm wrong) It was still used for beet trains.

Closed to passenger traffic on 9/9/1963 and to all traffic on 26/3/1967 - hardly 'several' years ago and it does traverse nothing more than ploughed up fields.

BrianD3

I've had a look at several disused railways on Google maps - while there are many intact road overbridges left much of the rest is gone. I'm talking about long disused railways rather than more "recent" ones still in CIE ownership like the WRC.

Embankments removed, cuttings filled in, rail overbridges with decks removed, trackbeds ploughed into fields and barely visible as a faint scar on an aerial photo etc.

Re: Clonmel to Thurles, here are two relatively intact bridges but embankments have been removed.

https://maps.google.ie/maps?q=Laffansbridge,+Tipperary&hl=en&ll=52.450753,-7.672362&spn=0.00816,0.045447&sll=53.579461,-8.217773&sspn=8.96834,23.269043&oq=Laffansbridge+tipp&t=h&hnear=Laffansbridge,+County+Tipperary&z=15&layer=c&cbll=52.45075,-7.672354&panoid=KKpusCdTb4igYuUYRnbHWg&cbp=11,235.89,,0,0

https://maps.google.ie/maps?q=Laffansbridge,+Tipperary&hl=en&ll=52.461998,-7.698154&spn=0.008158,0.045447&sll=53.579461,-8.217773&sspn=8.96834,23.269043&oq=Laffansbridge+tipp&t=h&hnear=Laffansbridge,+County+Tipperary&z=15&layer=c&cbll=52.461996,-7.698146&panoid=Fw-whBjMO7VGn4Zbr0QAVA&cbp=11,192.1,,0,0

Moving away from Tipperary, this is what remains of Pile Bridge in Monaghan on the Dundalk to Enniskillen line, this would have been a substantial structure.

https://maps.google.ie/maps?q=ballybay&hl=en&ll=54.149555,-6.964366&spn=0.003921,0.022724&sll=52.461998,-7.698154&sspn=0.018068,0.045447&t=h&hnear=Ballybay,+County+Monaghan&z=16&layer=c&cbll=54.149556,-6.964364&panoid=vIbfcsdzqUiWzyXoNYzssA&cbp=11,183.94,,0,0

There are also two more similar dismantled viaducts in that area.



There is a proposal for a greenway linking the Grand and Royal Canal greenways using the Enfield to Edenderry MGWR branch line. This is part of the GDA cycle network plan so perhaps it is more viable as a greenway than some of the other lines. I was recently given an article from a local newspaper (attached scan greenway.jpg) from someone who lives near there.

Muahahaha

Great idea but its going to need the cooperation of a lot of landowners. The Mayo one took years to get off the ground before agreements were finally all in place, I'd imagine this would be similar

101sean

Some of it crosses good land and has long since disappeared, another part crosses bogland. Around Laffansbridge it lost in a quarry and much is missing through Fethard (station itself is sound though and the site of a Sunday flea market and a museum). I made an effort to drive round and see what remains of the line a couple of years ago, only made it far as a nice lunch in Fethard so don't know what's there south of that!

I'm sure these could all be worked around and it's a good sign the council is considering it, will be a long time before anything solid happens I would have thought.

Ted_YNWA

101sean wrote: »

Some of it crosses good land and has long since disappeared, another part crosses bogland. Around Laffansbridge it lost in a quarry and much is missing through Fethard (station itself is sound though and the site of a Sunday flea market and a museum). I made an effort to drive round and see what remains of the line a couple of years ago, only made it far as a nice lunch in Fethard so don't know what's there south of that!

I'm sure these could all be worked around and it's a good sign the council is considering it, will be a long time before anything solid happens I would have thought.

Just the remnants of a bridge on outskirts of Fethard.

https://www.google.ie/maps/@52.464196,-7.700413,3a,75y,171.25h,71.9t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1smLEh6W6A6MtB5CpOYIxABA!2e0

Between there & Clonmel station would be primarily farmland now.

mikemac1

This could never happened if Tipp North and Tipp South councils had to work together

whisky_galore

monument wrote: »

Just like the Great Westren Greenway then?

No it's not. Some reasonable fertile farmland vs. bogland, sheep and rocks.

whisky_galore

From a quick Google maps, there are substantial gaps in the formation that are lost to agriculture. Don't see it being a runner, just more of the current 'Greenway Mania'.

Grab All Association

Most of the track bed is still owned by CIE though.

Jimmy Garlic

Chris___ wrote: »

Most of the track bed is still owned by CIE though.

As far as I know if a patch of land is used by someone for more than 12 years without challenge then they own it.

loyatemu

Mayo is scenic though, mountains, lakes, the Atlantic. South Tipp is just rolling farmland - can't see it being much of a tourist draw.

Grab All Association

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

As far as I know if a patch of land is used by someone for more than 12 years without challenge then they own it.

I thought that only applied to residential squatting. Actually I hope your right (Thinks about stealing unused land owned by Shannon Development )

whisky_galore

Chris___ wrote: »

I thought that only applied to residential squatting. Actually I hope your right (Thinks about stealing unused land owned by Shannon Development )

Applies to any land afaik.

whisky_galore

Chris___ wrote: »

Most of the track bed is still owned by CIE though.

Not now, they would have washed their hands of it years ago. Even if, by chance, a patch wasn't sold off, squatters rights apply at this remove. CIE no longer have any interests here.

deisegreenway

Very nice idea but unfortunately the route is very far gone. With prime agri land and replacing embankments and structures, it would cost a fortune (probably €6 million upwards).

end of the road

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

As far as I know if a patch of land is used by someone for more than 12 years without challenge then they own it.

yes. your right

the dark phantom

The route is protected from development, STCC passed some law on it during the boom. A lot of work would have to go into turning it to a greenway as lots of embankments and bridges are gone.

Grandeeod

whisky_galore wrote: »

From a quick Google maps, there are substantial gaps in the formation that are lost to agriculture. Don't see it being a runner, just more of the current 'Greenway Mania'.

This.

Muahahaha

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

As far as I know if a patch of land is used by someone for more than 12 years without challenge then they own it.

I think for private land squatters rights kick in after 12 years. But if the land is publically (State) owned then it becomes 30 years. For a farmer to acquire the land under squatters rights he would have to prove that no CIE engineer/inspector/employee or otherwise put a foot upon the land for the previous 30 years. Something as simple as a gate with a padlock on it which is changed once in the 30 year period would be enough to ensure it remains in public ownership. Or CIE might send an inspector down the old tracks once every few years and log it with their legal department.

Claiming squatters rights is never as easy as some think. Judges (who tend to be property owners themselves) are loathe to give land away to some chancer, especially if it is public land.

New thread here and new campaign also

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057747241&page=2
https://www.facebook.com/tipperarygreenways/

Banjoxed

Grab All Association wrote: »

Most of the track bed is still owned by CIE though.

Cool the jets on that Greenway mania! Direct rail services to Clonmel via Thurles, me buckos!

Banjoxed

Muahahaha wrote: »

I think for private land squatters rights kick in after 12 years. But if the land is publically (State) owned then it becomes 30 years. For a farmer to acquire the land under squatters rights he would have to prove that no CIE engineer/inspector/employee or otherwise put a foot upon the land for the previous 30 years. Something as simple as a gate with a padlock on it which is changed once in the 30 year period would be enough to ensure it remains in public ownership. Or CIE might send an inspector down the old tracks once every few years and log it with their legal department.

Claiming squatters rights is never as easy as some think. Judges (who tend to be property owners themselves) are loathe to give land away to some chancer, especially if it is public land.

I think that disposes of 7,865 pages of "the black cow is white" codology some years back on the Never Ending Thread :pac:

Banjoxed

Banjoxed wrote: »

Cool the jets on that Greenway mania! Direct rail services to Clonmel via Thurles, me buckos!

I take it your joking here but still not quite sure.... In case you arent joking, Irish rail as you might know already are barely staying afloat so putting on a service which is effectively a dead fish is highly unlikely

Ted_YNWA

There is no line left and only for I'd platform at Laffansbridge, there is barely any evidence of it left.

Banjoxed

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I take it your joking here but still not quite sure.... In case you arent joking, Irish rail as you might know already are barely staying afloat so putting on a service which is effectively a dead fish is highly unlikely

Of course I am joking. It is remarkable how easily spooked this board can get in case a local politician somewhere gets a sniff of an idea.

West Cork on the other hand..

Do I need Irony hashtags for that last sentence, mods?

Ted_YNWA

Ted_YNWA wrote: »

There is no line left and only for I'd platform at Laffansbridge, there is barely any evidence of it left.

I've had a look at aerial maps and there is plenty of markings along the route. Yes someplaces along the old route are undoubtedly a no go but i dont see how a solution cant be found. Its the best time to hit on this project because everyone has seen the benefits of the Waterford green way.

end of the road

Deleted User wrote: »

I've had a look at aerial maps and there is plenty of markings along the route. Yes someplaces along the old route are undoubtedly a no go but i dont see how a solution cant be found. Its the best time to hit on this project because everyone has seen the benefits of the Waterford green way.

the waterford greenway actually has something to see along it though. does this former rail route?

end of the road

end of the road wrote: »

the waterford greenway actually has something to see along it though. does this former rail route?

Some of the sites are spectacular and unique along the Waterford route ill admit but people already visit Tipperary and the greenway will further give an incentive.. The derrynaflan chapel is along the route. Fethard have opened a new Horse and country museum recently. Some lovely countryside. No viaducts or tunnels to my knowledge but they are only a bonus as opposed to a deal breaker. Perhaps we can even create some new features of our own if it goes ahead.

Seaswimmer

end of the road wrote: »

the waterford greenway actually has something to see along it though. does this former rail route?

I don't think the scenery or lack thereof is that important for greenways. The Mayo Greenway is pretty boring all the way from Westport to well past Newport but is still very popular. The big advantage of greenways is that it gets people out on bikes in a relatively safe environment who would otherwise not cycle.

I posted on the cycling forum about how my wife managed to cycle to Howth and back recently using the new Clontarf cycle path. She would never dream of doing that on the road and there are probably thousands like her.

Seaswimmer

Seaswimmer wrote: »

I don't think the scenery or lack thereof is that important for greenways. The Mayo Greenway is pretty boring all the way from Westport to well past Newport but is still very popular. The big advantage of greenways is that it gets people out on bikes in a relatively safe environment who would otherwise not cycle.

I posted on the cycling forum about how my wife managed to cycle to Howth and back recently using the new Clontarf cycle path. She would never dream of doing that on the road and there are probably thousands like her.

Exactly, scenery is a bonus and tbf to them in Waterford they struck gold with the Kilmacthomas viaduct and Durrow tunnel