Diet? Pfft! Freeze that fat away!!

NoQuarter

Just browsing Grabone there and spotted this:

http://www.grabone.ie/dublin/cool-sculpt-ireland-17

Is this crap legit? I'd never heard of freezing fat away, anyone know the science? Does this actually work to an extent or is it complete nonsense?

I'd pay 150 to instantly go sub 10%

Darkest Horse

NoQuarter wrote: »

Just browsing Grabone there and spotted this:

http://www.grabone.ie/dublin/cool-sculpt-ireland-17

Is this crap legit? I'd never heard of freezing fat away, anyone know the science? Does this actually work to an extent or is it complete nonsense?

I'd pay 150 to instantly go sub 10%

Without even opening the link - complete and utter nonsense.

NoQuarter

How do they get away with this stuff? The say the fat cells freeze and are broken down by the body. Would this even remotely work?!

Sounds dodgy anyways, ill stick to my kale crisps!

Oryx

It did come up here quite some time ago:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=83826307

MightyMandarin

Never saw the point in getting any sort of fat removal procedure at all. If you lose it the 'natural way' then you have much less of a chance to put it back on. If you can't lose fat yourself, then your diet is already crap. what makes anyone think their diet will suddenly improve when they see abs is just beyond me.

NoQuarter

MightyMandarin wrote: »

If you lose it the 'natural way' then you have much less of a chance to put it back on.

This raises another interesting question, why is that?

Chancer3001

NoQuarter wrote: »

This raises another interesting question, why is that?

Because you'll have changed your eating habits

_Brian

Their "ideal client" is already slim.

MightyMandarin

NoQuarter wrote: »

This raises another interesting question, why is that?

Because you don't know how to maintain a low bf%; if you did, you wouldn't be getting a procedure.

Seanachai

MightyMandarin wrote: »

Because you don't know how to maintain a low bf%; if you did, you wouldn't be getting a procedure.

I'm considering it myself, I think the technology has improved. I have a slow thyroid and stubborn fat that I can't shift with diet.

Cake Man

Seanachai wrote: »

I'm considering it myself, I think the technology has improved. I have a slow thyroid and stubborn fat that I can't shift with diet.

Ah, the old classic “I’ve a slow thyroid/metabolism which makes me a scientific anomaly and physically can’t lose weight”. You just consume too many calories if you can’t shift the fat with diet and aren’t consistently in a calorie deficit.

Ceepo

Cake Man wrote: »

Ah, the old classic “I’ve a slow thyroid/metabolism which makes me a scientific anomaly and physically can’t lose weight”. You just consume too many calories if you can’t shift the fat with diet and aren’t consistently in a calorie deficit.

Ah the old classic ”. You just consume too many calories if you can’t shift the fat with diet and aren’t consistently in a calorie deficit".

Helpfully answer 🙄

If only things were that simplistic.
There are many reason people cant shift weight.
And you're right consuming to many calories is one.
So is Leptin resistance
And even hypothyroidism.
OP stated they have a slow thyroid problem, How can you tell them they consume to many calories without knowing the amount of calories they consume and without knowing the amount that they should consume..

Mellor

Ceepo wrote: »

So is Leptin resistance

How does leptin resistance cause people to gain weight?

Ceepo

Mellor wrote: »

How does leptin resistance cause people to gain weight?

Basically Leptin is the signal to tell the brain that you are full.. if you're leptin resistant to don't get the signal....

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/leptin-101
https://www.webmd.com/diet/obesity/features/the-facts-on-leptin-faq
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/251429.php

Loads more on this topic, let Google be your friend 😉

Mellor

Thanks for posting the links, but I'm well aware what leptin is and how it works. I'm wasn't sure if how you thought it worked based on the previous discussion.

Ceepo wrote: »

Basically Leptin is the signal to tell the brain that you are full.. if you're leptin resistant to don't get the signal....

Right, and what happens if you don't get that signal? You see where I'm going with this

Zillah

So, out of curiosity I did a bit of googling on this. There is some scientific evidence to suggest that it can have a small effect (20% or so) on reducing localised fat deposits. You don't lose weight overall but it can have a small impact on overall fat distribution, which could be helpful from a purely aesthetic/confidence point of view if there is a particular bulge that someone doesn't like despite being a healthy weight, and if they have money and time to burn.

Aint no point if you're just fat though.

Ceepo

Mellor wrote: »

Thanks for posting the links, but I'm well aware what leptin is and how it works. I'm wasn't sure if how you thought it worked based on the previous discussion.



Right, and what happens if you don't get that signal? You see where I'm going with this

I would be disappointed if you didn't come back with this reply.
But I would make a difference in being overweight if you are Leptin resistance.

Mellor

Ceepo wrote: »

I would be disappointed if you didn't come back with this reply.

There’s a different physiological trigger that perhaps causes overeating but none the less the process is the same.
The body is still storing excess consumed energy as body fat. Fundamentally that is the reason, and removing that factor prevents or reverses weight gain just as in other cases. Saying that's not the case is simply wrong.

But I would make a difference in being overweight if you are Leptin resistance.

What does separating in a special case achieve? Does it actually help anyone? Debatable imo.
More often than not these factors are rolled out as excuses and obstacles rather than contributory factors. People talk about having different fat, that can't be shifted with diet. Leptin resistance doesn't created diet resistance fat.

By all means be aware that it's part of the picture. But the process to combat weight gain is the same regardless, that should be reinforced imo.
Could it be harder for someone who is leptin resist, sure. But presenting the notion that it was entirely out of their hands (as some sources suggest) does more harm than good imo.

Ceepo

Mellor wrote: »

There’s a different physiological trigger that perhaps causes overeating but none the less the process is the same.
The body is still storing excess consumed energy as body fat. Fundamentally that is the reason, and removing that factor prevents or reverses weight gain just as in other cases. Saying that's not the case is simply wrong.


What does separating in a special case achieve? Does it actually help anyone? Debatable imo.
More often than not these factors are rolled out as excuses and obstacles rather than contributory factors. People talk about having different fat, that can't be shifted with diet. Leptin resistance doesn't created diet resistance fat.

By all means be aware that it's part of the picture. But the process to combat weight gain is the same regardless, that should be reinforced imo.
Could it be harder for someone who is leptin resist, sure. But presenting the notion that it was entirely out of their hands (as some sources suggest) does more harm than good imo.

People who are leptin resistance need an intervention, they don't need to be told that they're eating to much and not exercising enough.
Leptin resistance cause the loop to be broken to say you have enough fuel and you dont need more food, the result is,
Eating more: Your brain thinks that you must eat in order to prevent starvation.
Reduced energy expenditure: In an effort to conserve energy, your brain decreases you energy levels and makes you burn fewer calories at rest.
Thus, eating more and exercising less is not the underlying cause of weight gain but rather a possible consequence of leptin resistance, a hormonal defact.

There is help out there for this but unfortunately in this country it's not really checked for by the medical profession.
While I'd agree that it is in there own hands, if they had the very basic information around Lepin and not just telling them to eat less and exercise more, it would go some way to help them understand what is going on....

OP sorry as I know this is of topic

Mellor

You describing it in unquantified terms.
If it does BMR by 500 caps and increases appetite by 500 caps. It becomes a huge task.
50 cake and it’s a breeze.

Then there’s the issue of prevalence. Does it affect 1% of overweight people or more? There people who suggest that everyone how carried fat on their stomach is resistant.

Ceepo

Mellor wrote: »

You describing it in unquantified terms.
If it does BMR by 500 caps and increases appetite by 500 caps. It becomes a huge task.
50 cake and it’s a breeze.

Then there’s the issue of prevalence. Does it affect 1% of overweight people or more? There people who suggest that everyone how carried fat on their stomach is resistant.

Why would I start to quantify it?
This thread is not about Leptin.
I stated that leptin resistance can be a factor in weight gain/loss as can hypothyroidism.

You question how and I answered you. You then stated that you already knew all about it,
but you seemed to feel the need to question my knowledge around it.
If you feel more knowledgeable on the subject then I'm happy for you.
I am certainly no expert on, there are plenty of people out there with a vast amount of knowledge on the subject, and they're still trying to understand it and how to over come it.
It is not high up on my list of priority issues.
Also to add I know someone who has been told that, that were lepin resistance, this had a very positive effect on their mental health as they suffered depression because the hate themselves for being overweight.
They were not helped by "expert and professional " people telling them to eat less and exercise more.
Being told they were Lepin resistance gave them the knowledge that in some part it wasnt just a case of them being weak, but that there was a underlying problem....

As this is off topic, I dont see the need to clarify or elaborate any further that lepin resistance plays a role in weight loss/gain ..

I bid you a good day

Mellor

Ceepo wrote: »

I stated that leptin resistance can be a factor in weight gain/loss as can hypothyroidism.

You question how and I answered you.

Actually you said leptin resistance creates weight gain without excess calories.
I asked how, in order to point out that excess calories are still required in that case.


Weight gain without the excess calories would be quite the magic trick.

Ceepo

Mellor wrote: »

Actually you said leptin resistance creates weight gain without excess calories.

I did... where ?

What I said was it may be a reason for not losing weight.
Sorry if that wasn't clear enough.. I'll try to spell thing out better in the future