Papa Francis - Same Sex Marriage

K4t

Speaking in the Philippines yesterday:

Francis went into attack mode. "The family is threatened by growing efforts on the part of some to redefine the very institution of marriage," Francis told the crowd. "These realities are increasingly under attack from powerful forces, which threaten to disfigure God’s plan for creation."

http://www.examiner.com/article/pope-francis-gay-marriage-will-destroy-the-family-disfigure-god-s-plan



I see your true colours, And that's why I love you, So don't be afraid to let them show, Your true colours...

Does the pope **** in the woods?

AboutaWeekAgo

Is the Pope catholic, and making the world safe for pedophiles?

3rdDegree

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Does the pope **** in the woods?

Ah, my favorite line from "Drop The Dead Donkey"! Thank you!

I like Francis. Think he has a bit of integrity, is fighting as best he can against the established church. He also looks like Stan Laurel, which has got to be a plus!

FluffyAngel

This is not going to end well ...


Im off to wake the bigots and naysayers
Anybody got a rainbow flag i can borrow?

conorh91

K4t wrote: »

Francis went into attack mode. "The family is threatened by growing efforts on the part of some to redefine the very institution of marriage," Francis told the crowd. "These realities are increasingly under attack from powerful forces, which threaten to disfigure God’s plan for creation."

http://www.examiner.com/article/pope-francis-gay-marriage-will-destroy-the-family-disfigure-god-s-plan

Just a note to other readers of this thread

First of all, The 'Examiner' link in your post is not a link to the well-balanced Irish Examiner publication. It appears to be a secularist form of thejournal.ie.

Secondly, I cannot find a reputable website which has translated the words attributed to Pope Francis in accordance with your claim.

Certainly, he seems to have defended heterosexual marriage, although not quite in the trenchant language which you seem to attribute to him.

I wonder why you selected that particular quote, when it appears to be of such doubtful accuracy... .

macker33

Well done pope

K4t

3rdDegree wrote: »

I like Francis. Think he has a bit of integrity, is fighting as best he can against the established church. He also looks like Stan Laurel, which has got to be a plus!

Have you met the new leader of the Nazi party? Great guy by all accounts, fighting as best he can against the established church.

K4t

conorh91 wrote: »

Just a note to other readers of this thread

How thoughtful of you but I would hope the posters of Ah are capable of forming their own opinions. The church and its many representatives have told us what to think for long enough.


Also, I hope you won't object to me refusing to take marriage advice from an old virgin in charge of an organization that raped thousands of children for decades.

kneemos

Don't know what he actually said,but seriously it's hardly a shock?

JONJO THE MISER

Be care what you say about the pope he might punch you.

K4t

kneemos wrote: »

Don't know what he actually said,but seriously it's hardly a shock?

It might be for the new faction of After Hours posters (most of them probably call themselves atheists or other such terms), you'll see them out in force on the other thread about Francis. They think it's cool or sticking it to the man to defend the Pope's comments as just a bit of fun and admire him for seemingly not being as bad as the others and having a sense of humour or some integrity. Yes, I've seen the word integrity used. It's sickening.

Soft Falling Rain

K4t wrote: »

How thoughtful of you but I would hope the posters of Ah are capable of forming their own opinions. The church and its many representatives have told us what to think for long enough.


Also, I hope you won't object to me refusing to take marriage advice from an old virgin in charge of an organization that raped thousands of children for decades.

You held firm and came back to the pending sh1tstorm that you created at 2am. Respect for that if nothing else.

FluffyAngel

K4t wrote: »

How thoughtful of you but I would hope the posters of Ah are capable of forming their own opinions.

you must be thinking of the debating Forum...

kneemos

So is the Atheist Forum an endless array of people agreeing with each other?

shruikan2553

kneemos wrote: »

So is the Atheist Forum an endless array of people agreeing with each other?

In not believing in god, mostly. Pizza toppings are a bit of an issue though, some people there are sick and think pineapple belongs on a pizza.

padd b1975

Pope gives sermon to Catholics.

Hold the front page!!

_Brian

I often wonder what people want. Do people want the Catholic Church to just give up and not exist any more ?? If so this is an idiotic ideal and so will never do anything but poke holes in what is said.
If people would like it to change to a more modern forward thinking institution then Popes like the current one are the way forward, but change is slow in such a large old organisation. There is only so much change that can happen at any one time. Remember the year of the three popes, it's widely speculated that John the first was killed in his sleep as he demonstrated an inclination for rapid change.

Tzardine

The Catholic Church seriously needs to get with the times or face the reality of losing a great deal of followers. They can start by allowing same sex marriage and female priests.

They are too stubborn to ever change but they will not last another 2000 years unless they do.

mrsbyrne

You couldn't make it up. Head of RCC defends RCC stance on SSM. How can it be?

bjork

mrsbyrne wrote: »

You couldn't make it up. Head of RCC defends RCC stance on SSM. How can it be?

I am shocked. :eek:


The end is nigh

Menas

Not sure what all the fuss is about TBH.
The catholic church is a club. If you like their rules and beliefs then be a member. If you don't...then well don't be a member.
Most of those who criticise the church are not practicing catholic.

That is a bit like me, as a soccer fan, spending my time criticising the rules of Ladies Hockey.

Timberrrrrrrr

K4t wrote: »

Have you met the new leader of the Nazi party? Great guy by all accounts, fighting as best he can against the established church.

Bye bye the last shred of any credibility your argument had :rolleyes:

eviltwin

Trigger Happy wrote: »

Not sure what all the fuss is about TBH.
The catholic church is a club. If you like their rules and beliefs then be a member. If you don't...then well don't be a member.
Most of those who criticise the church are not practicing catholic.

That is a bit like me, as a soccer fan, spending my time criticising the rules of Ladies Hockey.

The church has a major cultural impact which affects everyone. I think if religion was a private thing that didn't impact on anyone other than its members no one would care.

Menas

eviltwin wrote: »

The church has a major cultural impact which affects everyone. I think if religion was a private thing that didn't impact on anyone other than its members no one would care.

But it doesn't impact on everyone does it?
If this was 1950s ireland then I could see your point. But not in 2014.

eviltwin

Trigger Happy wrote: »

But it doesn't impact on everyone does it?
If this was 1950s ireland then I could see your point. But not in 2014.

In relation to SSM it might. Plenty of Catholics will vote against it because of the church's position. Any debate on the issue has a representative from a Catholic organisation even though it's a civil issue. The church still has influence, not as much but it's still there.

El_Duderino 09

At some stage we are going to have to explain to the catholics that it's only secular marriage that the gays want. Catholics have a ceremony, cast their spells and also call that marriage.

This is nothing to do with the religious ceremony. Catholics will never be obliged to perform a gay marriage in their church so what is it to them? They are afraid that society will move further away from them and they will have to either change their position or continue to be further out of touch with their flock.

Solution? Prevent society moving forward... It's the Christian thing to do

kneemos

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

At some stage we are going to have to explain to the catholics that it's only secular marriage that the gays want. Catholics have a ceremony, cast their spells and also call that marriage.

This is nothing to do with the religious ceremony. Catholics will never be obliged to perform a gay marriage in their church so what is it to them? They are afraid that society will move further away from them and they will have to either change their position or continue to be further out of touch with their flock.

Solution? Prevent society moving forward... It's the Christian thing to do

They're allowed have an opinion whatever the motivation. Just like yourself.

Timberrrrrrrr

kneemos wrote: »

They're allowed have an opinion whatever the motivation. Just like yourself.

Having an opinion Is one thing, trying to dictate what people can and cannot do and trying to stop people from being happy is another.

kneemos

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Having an opinion Is one thing, trying to dictate what people can and cannot do and trying to stop people from being happy is another.

So they shouldn't express their opinion?

Timberrrrrrrr

kneemos wrote: »

So they shouldn't express their opinion?

Express away. I just think the use of emotional and religious blackmail by the church try force their opinions on others is wrong.

El_Duderino 09

kneemos wrote: »

They're allowed have an opinion whatever the motivation. Just like yourself.

You misunderstood. I never suggested they don't have the right to an opinion.

They are entitled to have a bullsh1t opinion and if they are foolish enough to say it out loud then we are entitled to highlight how ridiculous it is. I thought we established that last week in the case in France of religion vs freedom of speech remember? Funny enough Pope Francis was on the fence about freedom of speech but I support his right to his ridiculous opinion even if he doesn't.

Now would you care to address my opinion or was your intention simply to derail the discussion?

stimpson

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Having an opinion Is one thing, trying to dictate what people can and cannot do and trying to stop people from being happy is another.

Indeed. Try finding a school for your children in this country where they aren't subjected to religion.

Menas

eviltwin wrote: »

In relation to SSM it might. Plenty of Catholics will vote against it because of the church's position. Any debate on the issue has a representative from a Catholic organisation even though it's a civil issue. The church still has influence, not as much but it's still there.

And LGBT ireland is another club with rules who have a position on this and influence their members and partake in debates on the subject.
I am not defending either organisation, I just recognize their right to exist, to have their own rules and to exert influence on their members.
And I recognise, as a non member, that I wont waste my time trying to influence these clubs from the outside.

eviltwin

Trigger Happy wrote: »

And LGBT ireland is another club with rules who have a position on this and influence their members and partake in debates on the subject.
I am not defending either organisation, I just recognize their right to exist, to have their own rules and to exert influence on their members.
And I recognise, as a non member, that I wont waste my time trying to influence these clubs from the outside.

Of course lgbt groups have a position on it....it directly affects them guy

El_Duderino 09

eviltwin wrote: »

Of course lgbt groups have a position on it....it directly affects them guy

And it won't effect the catholics. Catholics who care about their religion won't be using gay marriage and catholics won't be obliged to perform the ceremony so what exactly is their gripe again?

kneemos

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

At some stage we are going to have to explain to the catholics that it's only secular marriage that the gays want. Catholics have a ceremony, cast their spells and also call that marriage.

This is nothing to do with the religious ceremony. Catholics will never be obliged to perform a gay marriage in their church so what is it to them? They are afraid that society will move further away from them and they will have to either change their position or continue to be further out of touch with their flock.

Solution? Prevent society moving forward... It's the Christian thing to do

They believe marriage is a sacred thing between a man and a woman AFAIK.

Oops69

Typical Machiavellian Jesuit .

Timberrrrrrrr

kneemos wrote: »

They believe marriage is a sacred thing between a man and a woman AFAIK.

Fine, but no need to force their beliefs on others right?

Bootros Bootros

K4t wrote: »

It might be for the new faction of After Hours posters (most of them probably call themselves atheists or other such terms), you'll see them out in force on the other thread about Francis. They think it's cool or sticking it to the man to defend the Pope's comments as just a bit of fun and admire him for seemingly not being as bad as the others and having a sense of humour or some integrity. Yes, I've seen the word integrity used. It's sickening.

Really. I personally think it odd that anybody is starting threads on the Pope opposing gay marriage. In other news David Cameron opposes Marxism.

kneemos

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Fine, but no need to force their beliefs on others right?

Are they?

Shrap

Bootros Bootros wrote: »

I personally think it odd that anybody is starting threads on the Pope opposing gay marriage.

Oh I don't find it odd. It's time people realised that the new cute n cuddly pope with his "homosexuals are people too" soft soaping words, is actually just as hard line about not wanting to allow them to live their lives equally as the last pope, or any other pope. Same sh1t, different pope.

Timberrrrrrrr

kneemos wrote: »

Are they?

The Pope and the church will use emotional and religious blackmail to get people to vote the way THEY want them to vote, There will be people in this country who have no problem with SSM but will be compelled by their church and it's leader to vote against something that will not affect any of them in any way shape or form.

eviltwin

kneemos wrote: »

Are they?

How would you describe the NO campaign in relation to SSM? Have you not heard the religious representatives lately.

El_Duderino 09

kneemos wrote: »

They believe marriage is a sacred thing between a man and a woman AFAIK.

Agreed. And there are 2 things called marriage.

1 There is a binding contract protected by the state

2 priest says prayers and they call it marriage.

Gay marriage will only effect 1

The catholics are pretending they have ownership of both.

Shrap

eviltwin wrote: »

How would you describe the NO campaign in relation to SSM? Have you not heard the religious representatives lately.

Yes. The trouble is that church is not a place where you can stand up and counter their views. Literature is being handed out that contains misinformation and lies about the effects SSM will have on the institution of marriage, and there is no forum to debate this literature as yet. It is basic propaganda, if you are being told what to think with no room for dissent.

kneemos

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

The Pope and the church will use emotional and religious blackmail to get people to vote the way THEY want them to vote, There will be people in this country who have no problem with SSM but will be compelled by their church and it's leader to vote against something that will not affect any of them in any way shape or form.

Perfectly entitled to do so,as are others to do the opposite.

kneemos

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Agreed. And there are 2 things called marriage.

1 There is a binding contract protected by the state

2 priest says prayers and they call it marriage.

Gay marriage will only effect 1

The catholics are pretending they have ownership of both.

No,they believe it will damage something the hold sacred.

Timberrrrrrrr

kneemos wrote: »

Perfectly entitled to do so,as are others to do the opposite.

Really? Please explain the emotional and religious blackmail that the no side would be able to use? Why is it ok for the church to tell lies on these subjects?

eviltwin

kneemos wrote: »

No,they believe it will damage something the hold sacred.

They also don't believe in divorce, contraception, ivf but they all are available.

Timberrrrrrrr

kneemos wrote: »

No,they believe it will damage something the hold sacred.

So you agree that some Mulims should be allowed to enforce Sharia law or stoning because it's something they hold sacred?