Charlie Hebdo

handlemaster

Will Irish papers print front cover tomorrow of Charlie Hebdo ? Its a historical event in France but I fear the Irish papers will cower

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

I think they're just putting a picture of Charlie Haughey instead.

mossie11

handlemaster wrote: »

Will Irish papers print front cover tomorrow of Charlie Hebdo ? Its a historical event in France but I fear the Irish papers will cower

I wonder will this be on sale in Ireland?

handlemaster

Funny or somthing safe like a cartoon drawing with je suis Charlie in the back ground

handlemaster

mossie11 wrote: »

I wonder will this be on sale in Ireland?

16 diff languages so maybe you could buy online

Streetwalker

The cartoons are very distasteful tbh. I hope they aren't printed.

Peregrine

If they do, someone will definitely bring them to court over it. And with our blasphemy laws, they have a case.

The publication or utterance of blasphemous, seditious, or indecent matter is an offence which shall be punishable in accordance with law.

Irish Constitution, article 40.6 1.i

36.— (1) A person who publishes or utters blasphemous matter shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable upon conviction on indictment to a fine not exceeding €25,000.

(2) For the purposes of this section, a person publishes or utters blasphemous matter if—

(a) he or she publishes or utters matter that is grossly abusive or insulting in relation to matters held sacred by any religion, thereby causing outrage among a substantial number of the adherents of that religion, and

(b) he or she intends, by the publication or utterance of the matter concerned, to cause such outrage.

(3) It shall be a defence to proceedings for an offence under this section for the defendant to prove that a reasonable person would find genuine literary, artistic, political, scientific, or academic value in the matter to which the offence relates.

Defamation Act, 2009

They could argue that it has political value but they probably don't want to risk it.

peckerhead

Nothing to do with the Muslims, really, it's those super blasphemy laws of ours. Sure where would you get it?

Edit: beaten to it...

mossie11

Streetwalker wrote: »

The cartoons are very distasteful tbh. I hope they aren't printed.

The murders are even more distastful!!!

Mint Sauce

Nim wrote: »

If they do, someone will definitely bring them to court over it. And with our laws, they have a case.


Irish Constitution, article 40.6 1.i


Defamation Act, 2009

They could argue that it has political value but they probably don't want to risk it.

So you saying it would be illegal to sell it here. What about an Irish person buying it (else where) and bringing it here?

DarkJager

Nim wrote: »

If they do, someone will definitely bring them to court over it. And with our blasphemy laws, they have a case.


Irish Constitution, article 40.6 1.i


Defamation Act, 2009

They could argue that it has political value but they probably don't want to risk it.

And this is why we need a referendum as soon as possible to remove this law. Modern societies do not protect any religion from criticism or ridicule.

Busted Flat.

Posters should look up a cartoonist called Maurice Sinet who works under the name of Sine and his problems working for Charlie Hebdo and their concerns for free speech. Double standards as far as I am concerned.

handlemaster

25000 max fine... im sure they could afford the hit

wendell borton

Streetwalker wrote: »

The cartoons are very distasteful tbh. I hope they aren't printed.

How are they distasteful, tomorrow issue actually portrays Mahomet in a rather sympathetic way. They're doing him more of a favour than some of his hard-line followers.

https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/charlie-hebdo-cover.jpg

Macavity.

Canada also has a blasphemy law.

Mr. Incognito

I really cant support the hypocrisy of the whole thing.

Two idiots run riot with guns and shoot some people in Paris while we neglect so many human rights violations all over the world.

Its like 911 where the media went on a grief orgy for years ignoring the millions killed in Afghanistan Iraq before and after.

Its all a load of ****e.

Mardy Bum

Busted Flat. wrote: »

Posters should look up a cartoonist called Maurice Sinet who works under the name of Sine and his problems working for Charlie Hebdo and their concerns for free speech. Double standards as far as I am concerned.

Criticising race is different that criticising religion. One is racism the other is long over due.

Corvo

Does anyone know any website or whatever where I could purchase an original copy of the upcoming Charlie Hebdo magazine?

pickarooney

Is it just me or is his head made up of a cock, balls, an arse, labia and pubes?

Streetwalker

mossie11 wrote: »

The murders are even more distastful!!!

Never said they weren't. The murders are sickening don't think for a second I think otherwise.

Streetwalker

wendell borton wrote: »

How are they distasteful, tomorrow issue actually portrays Mahomet in a rather sympathetic way. They're doing him more of a favour than some of his hard-line followers.

https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/charlie-hebdo-cover.jpg

I'm talking in general not tomorrows in particular. Anyway sick of talking and hearing about the whole thing tbh. Like a poster above has mentioned the double standards are laughable.

Panda_Turtle

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

I really cant support the hypocrisy of the whole thing.

Two idiots run riot with guns and shoot some people in Paris while we neglect so many human rights violations all over the world.

Its like 911 where the media went on a grief orgy for years ignoring the millions killed in Afghanistan Iraq before and after.

Its all a load of ****e.

Millions killed by who? They mostly kill each other no?

oppenheimer1

Mardy Bum wrote: »

Criticising race is different that criticising religion. One is racism the other is long over due.

Criticism and mocking/insults are two entirely different things.

It's also known as playing the man and not the ball

reprise

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

I really cant support the hypocrisy of the whole thing.

Two idiots run riot with guns and shoot some people in Paris while we neglect so many human rights violations all over the world.

Its like 911 where the media went on a grief orgy for years ignoring the millions killed in Afghanistan Iraq before and after.

Its all a load of ****e.

I know the feeling. I passed by a funeral cortège today and I had to stop myself screaming out:

"WHAT ABOUT F***ING AFGHANISTAN YOU SELFISH B*ST*R*S"

johnnyskeleton

Streetwalker wrote: »

The cartoons are very distasteful tbh. I hope they aren't printed.

The cover says "all is forgiven" and has a cartoon of Mohammad says "I am Charlie". I dont think thats distasteful at all - if anything its an amazingly powerful statement that there shouldnt be an anti-Islam backlash because of a few terrorists.

vienne86

Corvo wrote: »

Does anyone know any website or whatever where I could purchase an original copy of the upcoming Charlie Hebdo magazine?

They're printing 3m instead of their usual 60K. People who've never heard of Charlie Hebdo will be buying them up. Look out on Ebay in a while.

johnnyskeleton

Streetwalker wrote: »

I'm talking in general not tomorrows in particular. Anyway sick of talking and hearing about the whole thing tbh. Like a poster above has mentioned the double standards are laughable.

So sick of it that you keep posting?

Buona Fortuna

pickarooney wrote: »

Is it just me or is his head made up of a cock, balls, an arse, labia and pubes?

I thought that but I thought nah you've just been looking at too much porn

johnnyskeleton

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

I really cant support the hypocrisy of the whole thing.

Two idiots run riot with guns and shoot some people in Paris while we neglect so many human rights violations all over the world.

Its like 911 where the media went on a grief orgy for years ignoring the millions killed in Afghanistan Iraq before and after.

Its all a load of ****e.

Thats not hypocracy, thats just giving more attention to something that happened closer to home. Sure you may as well say its hypocritical to have he Stephanie Roche thing in the national news when there are floods in pakistan etc

The Cunning Linguist

The Cunning Linguist wrote: »

I think they're just putting a picture of Charlie Haughey instead.

Now that would be grotesque and far more offensive and insulting to the people of our country

Turtwig

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

I really cant support the hypocrisy of the whole thing.

Two idiots run riot with guns and shoot some people in Paris while we neglect so many human rights violations all over the world.

Its like 911 where the media went on a grief orgy for years ignoring the millions killed in Afghanistan Iraq before and after.

Its all a load of ****e.

Next time one of your family members dies someone cries out at their funeral "But what about the slaughtering in Eritrea?". Yeah, you don't really expect that.

By your logic though, if they don't do that they're being hypocritical.

strobe

Streetwalker wrote: »

The cartoons are very distasteful tbh. I hope they aren't printed.

After what happened they essentially had carte blanche to run whatever they liked on the cover. No holds barred. They could have had a field day. I think they've shown an admirable amount of class and restraint. I struggle to see how you've arrived at the opposite conclusion tbh.

RobYourBuilder

Deleted User wrote: »

Now that would be grotesque and far more offensive and insulting to the people of our country

http://i.imgur.com/bJOHPP4.jpg

Karl Stein

Panda_Turtle wrote: »

Millions killed by who?

Western foreign policy. Half a million children were thought to have been killed by sanctions on Iraq before they invaded in 2003 and destroyed the country, presided over a brutal sectarian conflict, pulled out after ****ing the place up and now we have ISIS.

They

Them Muslims is it?

mostly kill each other no?

Irrelevant.

Karl Stein

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

Thats not hypocracy

Did you see the freedom of press records of some of hypocrites who linked arms in a show of world unity?

A quick google will reveal their commitments to freedom of press and that includes some leaders close to home and indeed right here.

reprise

Karl Stein wrote: »

Did you see the freedom of press records of some of hypocrites who linked arms in a show of world unity?

A quick google will reveal their commitments to freedom of press and that includes some leaders close to home and indeed right here.

With respect, this is about the staff of Charlie Hebdo that were murdered and those protecting their freedom, so unless they are explicitly named in your links or you are blaming them personally, it's whataboutery.

Busted Flat.

reprise wrote: »

With respect, this is about the staff of Charlie Hebdo that were murdered and those protecting their freedom, so unless they are explicitly named in your links or you are blaming them personally, it's whataboutery.

It is the hypocrites that's the problem, with their double standards.

KomradeBishop

Nim wrote: »

If they do, someone will definitely bring them to court over it. And with our blasphemy laws, they have a case.


Irish Constitution, article 40.6 1.i


Defamation Act, 2009

They could argue that it has political value but they probably don't want to risk it.

Perfect time for it really, as the outrage against the ridiculous blasphemy laws caused by a case like this, would almost certainly increase the likelihood of a referendum.

Tubridique

What people don't know about ISIS and al Qaeda is the evil hodge podge of individuals that created them. These organisations have their roots in the WW2 era and have been aided and abetted by Nazis whose children and grandchildren still are involved. Over the years, rogue mercenaries, greedy arms dealers, fanatic anti-communists, down on their luck Russian businessmen, varied Mafias and deposed members of overthrown Middle Eastern regimes lended them a hand.

To call these 'Islamic' is like calling these jokers in their original incarnation as the Nazis 'German'. These jokers are an insult to the human race, period. They ruin every country they have touched from Germany to Syria.

fryup

so will it be on sale in ireland??

Mr. Incognito

Turtwig wrote: »

Next time one of your family members dies someone cries out at their funeral "But what about the slaughtering in Eritrea?". Yeah, you don't really expect that.

By your logic though, if they don't do that they're being hypocritical.

No. Frankly i give as much about the death of strangers in Paris about as much as unnamed strangers in Iraq.

I am a bit miffed that the media is trying to whip up a few misguided idiots into some idealistic dangerous militia that means we as a society in the West spend trillions on weapons instead of science, agriculture, clean water and thousands of other things that would enrich our lives instead of ploughing it into arms dealers pockets. Isis is a few pockets of farmers with rifles in the desert. They arent going to do squat.

France destroyed entire countries in its history, Algeria, vietnam, etc and contributes billions on military spending.

This whole victim complex in the west is a farce.

whisky_galore

pickarooney wrote: »

Is it just me or is his head made up of a cock, balls, an arse, labia and pubes?

Now that you mention it...

I wouldn't say it's 'distasteful', though think some Muslims will be less-than-pleased, to put it mildly, if they interpret it that way. I don't think the cartoons are terribly good anyway. Some of the those drawn by others in tribute in the wake of the attacks were far cleverer than any of the scrawls put out by Charlie Hebdo.

Peregrine

KomradeBishop wrote: »

Perfect time for it really, as the outrage against the ridiculous blasphemy laws caused by a case like this, would almost certainly increase the likelihood of a referendum.

Unfortunately, the government are only holding two referendums this year. The first one is on same sex marriage and the second one is either on voting age or age of candidacy for presidential elections. Both to be held together in May.

Which means the blasphemy referendum won't be held until after the general election unless they fast track it in response to the recent developments but I doubt it.

Here's the Constitutional Convention's recommendation:

The report recommends that the offence of blasphemy is removed and replaced
with a new general provision to include a prohibition on incitement to religious hatred. The
report also recommends creating a new set of detailed legislative provisions to include incitement to hatred on a statutory footing.

https://www.constitution.ie/AttachmentDownload.ashx?mid=b37871b4-3d87-e311-877e-005056a32ee4

newport2

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

The cover says "all is forgiven" and has a cartoon of Mohammad says "I am Charlie". I dont think thats distasteful at all - if anything its an amazingly powerful statement that there shouldnt be an anti-Islam backlash because of a few terrorists.

His turban and head are in the shape of balls and a dick, as are his eyes and nose. It was on the radio earlier that this was intentional.

blatantrereg

This is how I imagine Charlie Hebdo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFkBADW6UKk

alwald

I am for the freedom of expression, 100%, but this video has quite shocked me to be honest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzNMewmBdHc

thee glitz

mossie11 wrote: »

I wonder will this be on sale in Ireland?

Easons will have it on Friday.

strobe

alwald wrote: »

I am for the freedom of expression, 100%, but this video has quite shocked me to be honest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzNMewmBdHc

Some people are hypocritical asshole when things touch a nerve/hit too close to home, I'm sure we'll all agree on that.

I actually thought it was going to be this video for some reason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCYbZZTEwiM

bear1

Are we not having a referendum to have the blasphemy law cancelled in May this year?

Deco99

To those saying this breaks blasphemy laws in ireland and that they will sue. Its such an ambiguous law that they when they look into it they won't proceed. No chance of it getting picked up by dpp.

blatantrereg

alwald wrote: »

I am for the freedom of expression, 100%, but this video has quite shocked me to be honest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzNMewmBdHc

There was a bit of a furor over the notion of a comedy being set during the famine recently come to think of it.

Irish people like to feel hard done by but there's not a chance that republican sacred cows would be similarly defiled.

If they were, and there was killing in response (which is not completely unimaginable), most of us wouldn't like it. But we might be even more annoyed about subsequent international glorification of the offensive stuff.