10 Day Figures January 2015

RedorDead

That time of the year again folks.

Top ten so far:

1. TOYOTA 1678 (up 215)
2. HYUNDAI 1495 (up 309)
3. FORD 1163 (up 345)
4. VOLKSWAGEN 869 (down 49)
5. NISSAN 777 (up 371)
6. KIA 678 (up 225)
7. RENAULT 654 (up 160)
8. AUDI 513 (up 140)
9. SKODA 506 (up 3)
10. GM(OPEL) 503 (up 121)

Overall market is at 11,878 which is up 2261 or 24%

Top ten cars so far:

1 IX35 RANGE 520
2 FOCUS RANGE 472
3 COROLLA RANGE 466
4 GOLF RANGE 450
5 FIESTA RANGE 387
6 YARIS RANGE 373
7 SPORTAGE RANGE 366
8 QASHQAI RANGE 347
9 AURIS RANGE 325
10 I40 RANGE 261

Figures courtesy of SIMI

And for the petrol heads:

Alfa 4 vs 0 in 2014
Fiat 39 vs 25 in 2014
Porsche 8 vs 0 in 2014

dr.fuzzenstein

Alfa is breaking out the bunting!
Interesting to see VW take a hit.

bazz26

Interesting to see the ix35 taking the number one spot again despite the model being 5 years old now. Also interesting to see that Opel have really fallen by the way side since the days of sponsoring the soccer team.

colm_mcm

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Alfa is breaking out the bunting!
Interesting to see VW take a hit.

I'd imagine VW have plenty Passats on order for customers

bazz26

For sure, even demo models of the new Passat are thin on dealership forecourts.

bop1977

No Dacia dusters on that list is a bit of a surprise. I always thought us irish preferred cheap sh1t boxes.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

bop1977 wrote: »

No Dacia dusters on that list is a bit of a surprise. I always thought us irish preferred cheap sh1t boxes.

But it seems we prefer cheap sh1t boxes with a longer warranty and a little bit of spec :P (ix35)

RedorDead

bazz26 wrote: »

Interesting to see the ix35 taking the number one spot again despite the model being 5 years old now. Also interesting to see that Opel have really fallen by the way side since the days of sponsoring the soccer team.

Hyundai do a massive number of demos in early days of January. I expect them to fall away a little again like last year.

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Alfa is breaking out the bunting!
Interesting to see VW take a hit.

VW slow due to slow arrival of new passat and new polo.

bop1977 wrote: »

No Dacia dusters on that list is a bit of a surprise. I always thought us irish preferred cheap sh1t boxes.

Only 131 Dusters done. Down nearly 40% on same stage last year. Sandero outselling it with 142.

Leonard Hofstadter

bop1977 wrote: »

No Dacia dusters on that list is a bit of a surprise. I always thought us irish preferred cheap sh1t boxes.

I suppose with the upturn in the economy, the interest in sh1t boxes will (hopefully) reduce. For a few years in the boom times, a small number of people bought more than the usual poverty spec low powered rubbish. I remember when you'd see a fair few six pot E60s even after the 520d was introduced. Last time I checked, 98% of F10s sold in Ireland were 2.0 four cylinder diesels - so at most a 525d but most likely either a low power 518d or a 520d.

Interesting figures, I would have expected Ford to be higher (and I note that the Mondeo is not in the top 10 either), unless there's lots of Mondeos yet to be delivered.

ofcork

For all the negativity about Toyota they have 3 models in the top 10 and top of the overall so doing something right.

Drummerboy08

captainspeed wrote: »

I suppose with the upturn in the economy, the interest in sh1t boxes will (hopefully) reduce. For a few years in the boom times, a small number of people bought more than the usual poverty spec low powered rubbish. I remember when you'd see a fair few six pot E60s even after the 520d was introduced. Last time I checked, 98% of F10s sold in Ireland were 2.0 four cylinder diesels - so at most a 525d but most likely either a low power 518d or a 520d.

Interesting figures, I would have expected Ford to be higher (and I note that the Mondeo is not in the top 10 either), unless there's lots of Mondeos yet to be delivered.

I put a 6 cylinder 4 series out last week and have a 6 cylinder 5 series waiting to go out too so people are slowly coming back to the bigger engine.

Atlantic Dawn

Thought BMW would be in the top 10.

Voodoomelon

I wonder where Mitsubishi are lower down on the list, with their 1000 year warranties?

colm_mcm

Voodoomelon wrote: »

I wonder where Mitsubishi are lower down on the list, with their 1000 year warranties?

1000 year old designs too

Leonard Hofstadter

One other thing I've wondered: because fuel is now dirt cheap (relatively speaking) will we see some shift to larger engines over the course of the year, and indeed a switch back to petrol now that fuel costs impact far less than before?

We're seeing petrol at only €1.20 a litre (and even less in some cases), a few summers ago it got up to almost €1.70, so that's a massive difference.

Does anyone think the relatively low cost of fuel will persuade some people to go back to larger cars, and indeed, will it make cars like the 530d and other large engined German cars more desirable and thus more expensive to buy second-hand because such cars will now be considerably cheaper to run?

Voodoomelon

It could certainly affect second hand car sales, can't imagine it would have an impact on new car sales though.

Bpmull

I don't know how toyota do it. I never see any new ones around id certainly see a lot more new fords or vws around than toyotas maybe it's just where I live. As for the ix-35 I didn't think it would get top but I am after seeing more of them than any other 151 model on the road they are very popular.

Blazer

captainspeed wrote: »

One other thing I've wondered: because fuel is now dirt cheap (relatively speaking) will we see some shift to larger engines over the course of the year, and indeed a switch back to petrol now that fuel costs impact far less than before?

We're seeing petrol at only €1.20 a litre (and even less in some cases), a few summers ago it got up to almost €1.70, so that's a massive difference.

Does anyone think the relatively low cost of fuel will persuade some people to go back to larger cars, and indeed, will it make cars like the 530d and other large engined German cars more desirable and thus more expensive to buy second-hand because such cars will now be considerably cheaper to run?

doubtful..the basic 520D SE model is 47K.
The 530D SE starts at 61K so that's a whopping 14K difference. Anyone that's buying a 530D is not thinking about the mpg difference between them and certainly isn't going to get one just cause diesel/petrol is cheap at the moment. That won't last too much longer I reckon in fairness.
If they're buying a 530D new it's because they want the extra power etc.

Leonard Hofstadter

RedorDead stated that what Hyundai do is register a crapload of demos in the first few days of January. That would easily explain their apparent popularity. Their market share will go down as more cars get registered throughout this month. VW and Ford should go up a bit as Mondeos, Passats etc are delivered.

For Forks Sake

captainspeed wrote: »

RedorDead stated that what Hyundai do is register a crapload of demos in the first few days of January. That would easily explain their apparent popularity. Their market share will go down as more cars get registered throughout this month. VW and Ford should go up a bit as Mondeos, Passats etc are delivered.

Do Hyundai have a delivery out to the Gardai this year?

Theanswers

Blazer wrote: »

doubtful..the basic 520D SE model is 47K.
The 530D SE starts at 61K so that's a whopping 14K difference. Anyone that's buying a 530D is not thinking about the mpg difference between them and certainly isn't going to get one just cause diesel/petrol is cheap at the moment. That won't last too much longer I reckon in fairness.
If they're buying a 530D new it's because they want the extra power etc.

And in fairness, the 530d isn't much more heavy in terms of day to day running costs. Infact in many situations I imagine it might actually have better MPG than's it's cheaper companion 520d (outside cities).

Blazer

Theanswers wrote: »

And in fairness, the 530d isn't much more heavy in terms of day to day running costs. Infact in many situations I imagine it might actually have better MPG than's it's cheaper companion 520d (outside cities).

definitely ..I have a 3L 525D and it's barely heavier on mpg than the 520D I had previously.
In fact if it wasn't for the díckheads in government with their extortionate vrt and vat/excise etc we'd all be driving new 3L cars or bigger.

Leonard Hofstadter

Blazer wrote: »

doubtful..the basic 520D SE model is 47K.

€49k once you add the automatic onto it, which is essential for any diesel because of their ultra narrow power band (and in this class, it's also essential for resale value). When you add up the other stuff that the 530d comes with as standard, such as the metallic paint and the advanced climate control, the 520d is €50,300. Also, the 530d has ambient interior lighting (which seemingly isn't available even as an extra for the 520d SE), and chrome door strips (which I couldn't care less about). Still a lot of extra money, but €10k is a fair bit better than €14k.

If I had the money for an F10, I'd definitely cough up the extra for the 530d; aside from the power, there is one reason above all else that it merits consideration, and that is the fact that it has a proper six cylinder engine, whereas the 520d has a four cylinder tractor engine. Even the supposedly 'good' four pots, like the Mondeo 2.0 TDCi are awful drivel compared to a four or even a three cylinder petrol, and they're also no match for a big six pot diesel. Four cylinder diesels are horrible, clattery, rattly, noisy, uncouth and unrefined yokes compared to a six pot diesel. Granted, of course a six pot diesel is no match for a straight six petrol, but they're still perfectly nice yokes to drive, they're smooth enough, quiet and don't vibrate like crazy. They also sound nicer than a four pot petrol when extended in my opinion, and a LOT nicer sounding than a three or four pot diesel.

road_high

bazz26 wrote: »

Interesting to see the ix35 taking the number one spot again despite the model being 5 years old now. Also interesting to see that Opel have really fallen by the way side since the days of sponsoring the soccer team.

The Opel Astra is gone long in the tooth, due replacing later in the year.
Not sure if the new Corsa has arrived in time to impact early January.
New smaller car later in the year too to replace the Agila also.

bazz26

road_high wrote: »

The Opel Astra is gone long in the tooth, due replacing later in the year.
Not sure if the new Corsa has arrived in time to impact early January.
New smaller car later in the year too to replace the Agila also.

The entire Opel range is not really competitive at the moment. The "new" Corsa is just a facelift of the previous 8 year old design despite GM claiming otherwise. The Astra used to be the best selling car here during the mid 1990s. The current one never brought anything new to the table when it was launched over 5 years ago. The now 6 year old Insignia is getting on a bit too but still sells well especially to fleet buyers. The Agila was never a good seller here in any shape or form, cannot see the new Viva being much better. The Adam seems to sell in small numbers and the Mokka sits in the shadow of the Nissan Juke.

bigroad

Strange Skoda is not in that gang.
I think there is a new Superb on the way this year so thinks might pickup later in the year.

ba_barabus

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

I put a 6 cylinder 4 series out last week and have a 6 cylinder 5 series waiting to go out too so people are slowly coming back to the bigger engine.

I had my ass in a 151 640d today.

Nice......:cool:

RedorDead

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Thought BMW would be in the top 10.

Down in 12th as far as i remember. Their top 5 below. 5 Series down. Massive numbers of X5s sold. A real sign of increased consumer sentiment if anything!

1 5 Series 147 (down 30)
2 X5 82 (up 66)
3 3 Series 79 (up 32)
4 4 Series 44 (down 3)
5 2 Series 36 (new)

Leonard Hofstadter

Interesting that the X5 is second. The boom times are coming back (for some people anyway) when cars like that are being bought in relatively large numbers! I suppose the fact that it's now fitted with a tractor engine (four cylinder diesel) as standard does help, though - as we know Paddy likes the biggest possible car for the smallest amount of cash, with a small capacity engine of course 'to save on the tax'.

How many of those 2 series sales were for the wrong wheel drive MPV pseudo BMW thing? I suppose knowing Ireland, the vast majority were for that version of the 2 series - sure don't you know that the Coupé and the 'vert are not very big cars but come with 'very big' 2.0 litre engines as standard so they will 'cost a fortune to run', and sure because they're rear wheel drive 'you'll get stuck in the snow' :rolleyes:!?

bazz26

Did Subaru sell anything?

bazz26

captainspeed wrote: »

Interesting that the X5 is second. The boom times are coming back (for some people anyway) when cars like that are being bought in relatively large numbers! I suppose the fact that it's now fitted with a tractor engine (four cylinder diesel) as standard does help, though - as we know Paddy likes the biggest possible car for the smallest amount of cash, with a small capacity engine of course 'to save on the tax'.

It's not just here though, the x20d are huge sellers in the UK also.

RedorDead

bazz26 wrote: »

Did Subaru sell anything?

Sold 28 so far. Up from 21 and mainly Foresters (16)

colm_mcm

captainspeed wrote: »

Interesting that the X5 is second. The boom times are coming back (for some people anyway) when cars like that are being bought in relatively large numbers! I suppose the fact that it's now fitted with a tractor engine (four cylinder diesel) as standard does help, though - as we know Paddy likes the biggest possible car for the smallest amount of cash, with a small capacity engine of course 'to save on the tax'.

How many of those 2 series sales were for the wrong wheel drive MPV pseudo BMW thing? I suppose knowing Ireland, the vast majority were for that version of the 2 series - sure don't you know that the Coupé and the 'vert are not very big cars but come with 'very big' 2.0 litre engines as standard so they will 'cost a fortune to run', and sure because they're rear wheel drive 'you'll get stuck in the snow' :rolleyes:!?

As an Irish person, I find that insulting. We're not complete morons and the 520d is sufficient for most people. You can be sure that the extra money for the 6cyl will be lost come trade-in. The dealers know this and would quote off-the-wall pcp prices.

Drummerboy08

Yep, have to agree with you Colm.

Sounds like typical irish begrudgery to me....

colm_mcm

That's Paddy for ya :pac:

micks_address

Anyone buying Honda?

colm_mcm

micks_address wrote: »

Anyone buying Honda?

Pretty stale lineup tbh. Newest model is the Civic which is essentially a refresh of the 2005 model. I'd imagine that and the 1.6 diesel CR-V would be the only real sellers.

georgefalls

Do the figures relate to cars sold, or to cars registered..?

If its cars registered, then most of them will be dealer demo cars. Or am I missing something..?

road_high

colm_mcm wrote: »

Pretty stale lineup tbh. Newest model is the Civic which is essentially a refresh of the 2005 model. I'd imagine that and the 1.6 diesel CR-V would be the only real sellers.

Exactly. Old Civic, no Accord (was actually quite popular here at one stage) and no MPVsmall SUV (yet). The Jazz has never been popular here as it's not well known and perceived as expensive.

road_high

bazz26 wrote: »

The entire Opel range is not really competitive at the moment. The "new" Corsa is just a facelift of the previous 8 year old design despite GM claiming otherwise. The Astra used to be the best selling car here during the mid 1990s. The current one never brought anything new to the table when it was launched over 5 years ago. The now 6 year old Insignia is getting on a bit too but still sells well especially to fleet buyers. The Agila was never a good seller here in any shape or form, cannot see the new Viva being much better. The Adam seems to sell in small numbers and the Mokka sits in the shadow of the Nissan Juke.

Agree. See lots of Insignias about but a lot are fleet cars. The new Mondeo and Passat are bound to hurt though now.
The Astra is just not competitive with the Focus or Golf. Only bright spot in the range is the saloon which looks cracking in my opinion and almost premium in the right colour/spec. The Adam is overpriced for what it is too.

NIMAN

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

But it seems we prefer cheap sh1t boxes with a longer warranty and a little bit of spec :P (ix35)

Sorry to hark back to an old post, but as someone looking at changing cars recently I found the Kia's far from cheap. They are more or less the same prices as makes like Ford and very close to VW too.

Its the warranty helping them sell now I think. They ain't cheap no more.

road_high

NIMAN wrote: »

Sorry to hark back to an old post, but as someone looking at changing cars recently I found the Kia's far from cheap. They are more or less the same prices as makes like Ford and very close to VW too.

Its the warranty helping them sell now I think. They ain't cheap no more.

Hy-and-dry exact same . Over 24k for a mid spec I 30 diesel is bloody nuts in my opinion. If they were closer to 20k they "might" be a bargain. But at those mad prices I'd be off to my nearest Ford or VW garage to do a deal.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

NIMAN wrote: »

Sorry to hark back to an old post, but as someone looking at changing cars recently I found the Kia's far from cheap. They are more or less the same prices as makes like Ford and very close to VW too.

Its the warranty helping them sell now I think. They ain't cheap no more.

Might not be cheap to buy anymore but they are made cheaply.

bear1

I'm surprised Alfa sold anything considering their terrible lineup.
I'd nearly wager they were all 1.6 Giuliettas.
Still though, nice to see them get something back.
Porsche though... wow.
An average of 913 cars sold per day so far.... we truly are going back to the early 00s

Drummerboy08

7 of those 8 Porsche are diesel Macans.

Just saying.

bazz26

road_high wrote: »

Hy-and-dry exact same . Over 24k for a mid spec I 30 diesel is bloody nuts in my opinion. If they were closer to 20k they "might" be a bargain. But at those mad prices I'd be off to my nearest Ford or VW garage to do a deal.

Yet over 24k for a mid spec Octavia diesel seems to be more acceptable. The power of marketing and perception - it's ok to pay that money for an Octavia because it's a rebadged VW whereas a Hyundai or Kia is Korean therefore should be cheap as chips.

bear1

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

7 of those 8 Porsche are diesel Macans.

Just saying.

Diesel Porsches...... My God.

road_high

bazz26 wrote: »

Yet over 24k for a mid spec Octavia diesel seems to be more acceptable. The power of marketing and perception - it's ok to pay that money for an Octavia because it's a rebadged VW whereas a Hyundai or Kia is Korean therefore should be cheap as chips.

Octavia is a good bit bigger car. Feels far better to sit in and just more substantial. 6 speed box essential on one though imo.
Nothing to do with the badge the Hyundai feels flimsy and overpriced for 24k.

road_high

bear1 wrote: »

I'm surprised Alfa sold anything considering their terrible lineup.
I'd nearly wager they were all 1.6 Giuliettas.
Still though, nice to see them get something back.
Porsche though... wow.
An average of 913 cars sold per day so far.... we truly are going back to the early 00s

What is the guilietta like? They look great but getting on now. If they were well priced might be worth a look

bear1

road_high wrote: »

What is the guilietta like? They look great but getting on now. If they were well priced might be worth a look

Early ones had some niggles but all in all I haven't heard anything bad about them.
I seriously wouldn't bother with the 1.6 diesel and go for either the Cloverleaf or the 170 diesel.
They look good, much better than the MiTo IMO but Alfa are pretty much dead these days.

road_high

bear1 wrote: »

Early ones had some niggles but all in all I haven't heard anything bad about them.
I seriously wouldn't bother with the 1.6 diesel and go for either the Cloverleaf or the 170 diesel.
They look good, much better than the MiTo IMO but Alfa are pretty much dead these days.

I love the mito but it was panned by critics