1405 campaign news

QueenP

psnihopeful wrote: »

Haha all this talk of the passing out parade is making me totes emosh!! It would be a very proud moment.

Psni hopeful delete some of ur pm I can't reply cause it says I've reached ur quota lol

the411

I'm always eyeing people up in the gym, wondering if they are in this process too

(not in a weird way, I might add!)

QueenP

the411 wrote: »

I'm always eyeing people up in the gym, wondering if they are in this process too

(not in a weird way, I might add!)

Hahaha I do that too!! And did last time aswell, I was right a few of the times too lols (finding out through friends of friends etc) anytime I see people out running too I wonder are you doing this for the same reason I'm doing it lol

psnihopeful

the411 wrote: »

I'm always eyeing people up in the gym, wondering if they are in this process too

(not in a weird way, I might add!)

Yeah sureeeeee 411!!! Lol just kidding haha. Yeah I'm the exact same! It kinda keeps me motivated though to see others out running.. Reminds me I should get off my backside and do something lol!

warofattrition

Guys and gals,Im not a fitness expert but Id built up my own little regime which is very simple and doesn't require gym memberships or trainers.

It involved running in the park,I found wood chips easiest on the joints.Basically starting off by running at about 50-60%for as long as possible.This started off being around 800m then pushed myself further each time by around 50m up to about 1500m just before my PCA.Then test yourself as to whether you can sprint 20m and then jog 20m ten times.Its a pretty good indicator for the length of the course but remember that youll need to have reserves for the push/pull and that's when the legs may tend to be a bit wobbly!

I had been using barbells(not in a gym,they prob only cost about a tenner) to do arm curls,again just make sure you do more than the previous time and.If your arm isn't sore the next day youre not doing enough.Im not a fitness expert but from what I have gathered this is the case.

I did not have a sedentary job so had some level of activity to build on.

Folks,as a disclaimer:dont take this the wrong way but I would say that if you are carrying excess weight and not active normally,you probably will need a more accelerated programme.

This is one stage of the process that you have complete control over,please bear that in mind!!!

One final thing:the body is capable of many extraordinary things and when you feel you may be struggling,force yourself to get that extra 10-15% in the tank.You need to be staggering out of there banjaxed and gasping.

Before you do stagger out and this is the final final tip when you go to the push/pull,imagine that this it,this is pass or fail and scream and shout with every exertion.Dont be embarrassed at causing such noise.I did,and Im not ashamed to say it.Be aggressive with the machine and bounce back and forth timing the beeps in a nice steady rhythm.

Good luck,If anyone wants me to elaborate further via PM let me know.Ill be happy to help!

Sorry should really be in the PCA thread,Mods please move if necessary

Cromlech

warofattrition wrote: »

Guys and gals,Im not a fitness expert but Id built up my own little regime which is very simple and doesn't require gym memberships or trainers.

It involved running in the park,I found wood chips easiest on the joints.Basically starting off by running at about 50-60%for as long as possible.This started off being around 800m then pushed myself further each time by around 50m up to about 1500m just before my PCA.Then test yourself as to whether you can sprint 20m and then jog 20m ten times.Its a pretty good indicator for the length of the course but remember that youll need to have reserves for the push/pull and that's when the legs may tend to be a bit wobbly!

I had been using barbells(not in a gym,they prob only cost about a tenner) to do arm curls,again just make sure you do more than the previous time and.If your arm isn't sore the next day youre not doing enough.Im not a fitness expert but from what I have gathered this is the case.

I did not have a sedentary job so had some level of activity to build on.

Folks,as a disclaimer:dont take this the wrong way but I would say that if you are carrying excess weight and not active normally,you probably will need a more accelerated programme.

This is one stage of the process that you have complete control over,please bear that in mind!!!

One final thing:the body is capable of many extraordinary things and when you feel you may be struggling,force yourself to get that extra 10-15% in the tank.You need to be staggering out of there banjaxed and gasping.

Before you do stagger out and this is the final final tip when you go to the push/pull,imagine that this it,this is pass or fail and scream and shout with every exertion.Dont be embarrassed at causing such noise.I did,and Im not ashamed to say it.Be aggressive with the machine and bounce back and forth timing the beeps in a nice steady rhythm.

Good luck,If anyone wants me to elaborate further via PM let me know.Ill be happy to help!

This is probably one of the best pieces of advice I've seen regarding PCA.
I can't agree more about being able to find the reserves to push a bit harder when needed and being vocal during the push pull does seem to help.

Personally when I came out of that hall my face felt like it was throbbing, lungs were on fire and was so happy there was a wall to rest against, I had pushed that hard I would have ended up on the floor.

Catdog33

psnihopeful wrote: »

Does anybody feel like this process has completely taken over their lives? It's constantly on my mind and I'm forever googling psni recruitment. Being kept in limbo and the uncertainty doesn't help!

Trying to focus on other things but just can't help mulling over it all.

Totally! I got made redundant at the end of last year and every day I'm looking for and applying for jobs that I have absolutely no fooking interest in! It's killing me but I know I need a plan B but I'm going to be miserable doing plan B!

Even worse is I failed my PCA by 2 seconds in August and the guys who passed it that day just started in GV last month! Could not be more annoyed at myself! Everything seemed to go tits up from then on! Especially now with this stupid delay letter!

I'm still not quite over failing the PCA last time and I'm finding it hard to motivate myself with the delay and uncertainty and I can't even watch police shows on TV because I feel sick! LOL!

KevBo2015

Some great advice guys thanks! Sometimes when I'm coming home from work I think I can't be bothered but then just think of the dream and really it's you against you no one else at the pca stage. Really hope I'm doing enough to pass it I will be completely and utterly destroyed if I fail.

Any other tips? I've been doing some circuits, road running, skipping and boxing. Around 5 or 6 days a week.

Cromlech

KevBo2015 wrote: »

Some great advice guys thanks! Sometimes when I'm coming home from work I think I can't be bothered but then just think of the dream and really it's you against you no one else at the pca stage. Really hope I'm doing enough to pass it I will be completely and utterly destroyed if I fail.

Any other tips? I've been doing some circuits, road running, skipping and boxing. Around 5 or 6 days a week.

When running I alternated between distance and pace, so one day would be 5 miles moderate pace and the other would be 1.5 mile best effort. Towards the end of each run I would run from one lamppost to the next as fast as possible and then jog to the next after that etc. Have a look at Fartlek Training.

Goonerdee

warofattrition wrote: »

Guys and gals,Im not a fitness expert but Id built up my own little regime which is very simple and doesn't require gym memberships or trainers.

It involved running in the park,I found wood chips easiest on the joints.Basically starting off by running at about 50-60%for as long as possible.This started off being around 800m then pushed myself further each time by around 50m up to about 1500m just before my PCA.Then test yourself as to whether you can sprint 20m and then jog 20m ten times.Its a pretty good indicator for the length of the course but remember that youll need to have reserves for the push/pull and that's when the legs may tend to be a bit wobbly!

I had been using barbells(not in a gym,they prob only cost about a tenner) to do arm curls,again just make sure you do more than the previous time and.If your arm isn't sore the next day youre not doing enough.Im not a fitness expert but from what I have gathered this is the case.

I did not have a sedentary job so had some level of activity to build on.

Folks,as a disclaimer:dont take this the wrong way but I would say that if you are carrying excess weight and not active normally,you probably will need a more accelerated programme.

This is one stage of the process that you have complete control over,please bear that in mind!!!

One final thing:the body is capable of many extraordinary things and when you feel you may be struggling,force yourself to get that extra 10-15% in the tank.You need to be staggering out of there banjaxed and gasping.

Before you do stagger out and this is the final final tip when you go to the push/pull,imagine that this it,this is pass or fail and scream and shout with every exertion.Dont be embarrassed at causing such noise.I did,and Im not ashamed to say it.Be aggressive with the machine and bounce back and forth timing the beeps in a nice steady rhythm.

Good luck,If anyone wants me to elaborate further via PM let me know.Ill be happy to help!

Sorry should really be in the PCA thread,Mods please move if necessary

Thank you.

Unfortunately I am carrying too much weight and I have a desk job. Needless to say going hammer and tongs at the running after Xmas has reaggrevated an old knee injury. I had to go to a physio to get some advice on strengthening the old leg joints.

I am wondering would it be easier to run on sand than on tarmac as I can get to a beach on my days off.

warofattrition

Goonerdee wrote: »

Thank you.

Unfortunately I am carrying too much weight and I have a desk job. Needless to say going hammer and tongs at the running after Xmas has reaggrevated an old knee injury. I had to go to a physio to get some advice on strengthening the old leg joints.

I am wondering would it be easier to run on sand than on tarmac as I can get to a beach on my days off.

Sorry,Gooner,Im not sure if that's a question to me or not but I wouldn't be qualified to answer it.

I would reiterate the running on wood chips is easier and even grass would be better than pounding the roads.

A treadmill would probably be better than all of the above though!!

A wee tip on the knee injury,if you make it to Pca,guide yourself round the course,getting down off the gate carefully and protecting your weak knee and push primarily with your uninjured knee on push/pull,using your upper body to compensate in the pulling action on the weak knee.Sorry to state the obvious but protect it at all costs and give it time to heal!!

the411

Have you guys received your PCA invite yet?

To be honest, I'll be glad if I've a few more months to train - that's if funding does go ahead eventually .

Goonerdee

warofattrition wrote: »

Sorry,Gooner,Im not sure if that's a question to me or not but I wouldn't be qualified to answer it.

I would reiterate the running on wood chips is easier and even grass would be better than pounding the roads.

A treadmill would probably be better than all of the above though!!

A wee tip on the knee injury,if you make it to Pca,guide yourself round the course,getting down off the gate carefully and protecting your weak knee and push primarily with your uninjured knee on push/pull,using your upper body to compensate in the pulling action on the weak knee.Sorry to state the obvious but protect it at all costs and give it time to heal!!

Sorry, the Thank you was for you. The rest of the post was just a general gripe/wonderment at life!

Goonerdee

the411 wrote: »

Have you guys received your PCA invite yet?

To be honest, I'll be glad if I've a few more months to train - that's if funding does go ahead eventually .

At this moment my low AC score is a blessing as much as it is a curse.

HighburyLad

Just seen the psni strength of force statistics has been updated, I saved an image on my phone last month just to see what if anything has changed, and it has. Last month had 163 student officers and 6813 regular officers, this month as of Feb it states 163 student officers and 6826.75 regular officers, last week 39 passed out of garnerville squad 4 I believe, possibly 5, not sure, but doing the math basically since Jan til now looks like 26 retired. I seen also from Dec to Jan that it dropped from 6837 down to 6813, and I don't think anybody passed out from garnerville in Dec looks like if there is no body passing out each month it looks like there is massive dip due to retirements and natural wastage. Just thought I would post it up there.

fish2690

HighburyLad wrote: »

Just seen the psni strength of force statistics has been updated, I saved an image on my phone last month just to see what if anything has changed, and it has. Last month had 163 student officers and 6813 regular officers, this month as of Feb it states 163 student officers and 6826.75 regular officers, last week 39 passed out of garnerville squad 4 I believe, possibly 5, not sure, but doing the math basically since Jan til now looks like 26 retired. I seen also from Dec to Jan that it dropped from 6837 down to 6813, and I don't think anybody passed out from garnerville in Dec looks like if there is no body passing out each month it looks like there is massive dip due to retirements and natural wastage. Just thought I would post it up there.

Good stats thanks lad. But where does the .75 come from? An officer fandering about with one arm or something?

the411

I can't find the exact clip, but the Chief stated in one of the previous policing board meetings that he required just under 6,900 officers to maintain operational resilience.

The fact that he has nearly met this quota would suggest that they may only go ahead with 100 officers from this campaign, after all.

HighburyLad

the411 wrote: »

I can't find the exact clip, but the Chief stated in one of the previous policing board meetings that he required just under 6,900 officers to maintain operational resilience.

The fact that he has nearly met this quota would suggest that they may only go ahead with 100 officers from this campaign, after all.

Put it this way 411, currently 163 student officers, in at the moment this is roughly 4 squads, if each squad is of 39 and an average of 20 to 26 retire say 26 for arguments sake, just roughly, currently 163 student officers will bring the force up to 6878 that's with retirements in mind, just forecasting. 6963 is what the cc said to maintain operational resilience, that's to maintain it, they would need more than that to maintain due to retirements so if they get to 6963, then the next month 20 to 30 retire their down again.

I remember reading when recruitment opened last year, that they would need the guts of a thousand or more new recruits to maintain or plateau the numbers if that makes sense, I believe the police fed quoted it, and from the response with the planning of a third recruitment campaign i guess that was right. So effectively including us it was another 800 Odd new recruits. Trust me this is good news for us. Again these numbers aren't official just an estimate but it could be more or less, but that's the base of what I would say the powers that be will be looking at.

I hope that makes sense, hard to type it out as such lol.

HighburyLad

fish2690 wrote: »

Good stats thanks lad. But where does the .75 come from? An officer fandering about with one arm or something?

A decimal place is a job share lol, so probably either an acting sergeant or possibly part timers effectively doing regular hours

psnihopeful

HighburyLad wrote: »

Put it this way 411, currently 163 student officers, in at the moment this is roughly 4 squads, if each squad is of 39 and an average of 20 to 26 retire say 26 for arguments sake, just roughly, currently 163 student officers will bring the force up to 6878 that's with retirements in mind, just forecasting. 6963 is what the cc said to maintain operational resilience, that's to maintain it, they would need more than that to maintain due to retirements so if they get to 6963, then the next month 20 to 30 retire their down again.

I remember reading when recruitment opened last year, that they would need the guts of a thousand or more new recruits to maintain or plateau the numbers if that makes sense, I believe the police fed quoted it, and from the response with the planning of a third recruitment campaign i guess that was right. So effectively including us it was another 800 Odd new recruits. Trust me this is good news for us. Again these numbers aren't official just an estimate but it could be more or less, but that's the base of what I would say the powers that be will be looking at.

I hope that makes sense, hard to type it out as such lol.

Yayyyyyyy!!! I'm feeling hopeful again! Woohoo!!

WannabePC

Well we have the policing board meeting tomorrow afternoon so let's hope we all get an answer on future recruitment and the number being taken on if possible too!

fish2690

NEXT MEETING IN PUBLIC: 5th February 2015 in Waterside Tower at 2:30pm You can watch the meeting in public live on You Tube #nipblive.

the411

Would someone please post any recruitment information that comes out of tomorrow's meeting.

I'm away on family matters, and would greatly appreciate it.

fish2690

How are people feeling about the Board meeting today? I'm nervous.

WannabePC

fish2690 wrote: »

How are people feeling about the Board meeting today? I'm nervous.

You and me both! Hopefully nerves will turn into excitement and motivation to keep up training etc!

KevBo2015

I am looking forward to it and hopefully some good news comes out of it, the top brass and those who decide what direction this whole process is going in are keeping their cards close! With all this recent budget talks and agreements I would like to think the news will be good.... or at least shine some light on it all.

WannabePC

If we don't get at least some info on further recruitment today I may very well cry! lol

psnihopeful

WannabePC wrote: »

If we don't get at least some info on further recruitment today I may very well cry! lol

You and me both. I already feel like throwing a very soppy tantrum. Lol!

WannabePC

psnihopeful wrote: »

You and me both. I already feel like throwing a very soppy tantrum. Lol!

Here's hoping that won't be the case! Went for a hard run this morning and it better not have been in vein! Lol

countrycop

Can somebody please post the details of recruitment from the board meeting when they come through.. It would be most appreciated! Thank you!

WannabePC

countrycop wrote: »

Can somebody please post the details of recruitment from the board meeting when they come through.. It would be most appreciated! Thank you!

The Chief Con said at the start of the meeting that the 20 million they have received is not an additional sum of money for next year but 20 million less that's not being taken off the budget for the new financial year. Instead of losing 60 million next year they're only losing 40 million off the policing budget. He did mention "reducing recruitment". Nothing else at all but we're not even half an hour into the meeting yet or the Q and A's yet.

Catdog33

I was trying to listen while my dogs decided to pick the worst
Moment to go mental at a cat outside the window.. But I thought he said something about having to deal with having less police officers and taking less on? Im hoping I missed what he said or picked up wrong? Can anybody clarify? I feel sick!

Catdog33

So they can only offer a balanced budget for 2015-16 by reducing recruitment.. Great we all know what that means! Feeling like total crap right now
To be honest. Not the positive news I was hoping for... Good luck to the ones that got their vetting forms you're in the running for the small number of Jobs they are offering!


'While we will balance the budget for next year, this can only be delivered by reduced recruitment plans. PSNI is becoming a smaller organisation – losing more people each year than we can afford to replace.'

Sthm

Remember though, the original plans were to recruit 378 from campaign two and then 378 from a third campaign. Given retirements etc., the third campaign was required to bring numbers to operational resilience. The reduced plans could mean just shelving the third campaign for the next financial year.

I'm guessing it'll maybe be clarified in a few more weeks when the Draft Medium Term Resource Plan is released.

Catdog33

Sthm, I really really hope so!!!! But of course it's another couple of weeks before the Draft Medium Term Resource Plan is released which is even more waiting! It's just so hard to stay positive throughout all this and I'm really trying with keeping up fitness etc but it's all consuming!

the411

Is there no medium through which we can get a definite answer.

I would prefer to know now if I've no chance, so I can come to terms with it and move on.

Sthm

Catdog33 wrote: »

Sthm, I really really hope so!!!! But of course it's another couple of weeks before the Draft Medium Term Resource Plan is released which is even more waiting! It's just so hard to stay positive throughout all this and I'm really trying with keeping up fitness etc but it's all consuming!

Trust me, I know all too well of the anxious wait.

The only thing I can say is that it seems like yesterday that I applied for C1309. The weeks and months have pretty much flown in and they seemed to fly more when I put this process to the back of my mind... which I have tried to despite my posting here a bit too much!

countrycop

Has the Q&A session happened yet? Hopefully somebody will ask a specific recruitment question

newpsni

Not the best of news from the CC however ladies and gentlemen, as I have found out through past experience, positive thinking brings positive outcomes.
If you correct your mind, your life will correct itself... Just putting it out there

See the good in everything that happens, it's meant to be this way

fish2690

That's it over. No questions or real definitive mention of recruitment.

WannabePC

Well that was a waste of nearly an hour and a half of my time! Nothing definitive said about recruitment so we're back again to speculation for who knows how long before we hear something about future recruitments plans.

Razer33

As much as i warn against pessimism im finding it very hard to find any positives in this situation

countrycop

So we are none the wiser, if anything it didn't look promising? What a disaster!!!

HighburyLad

Wow.... So was reading up on the posts as I've been in work, and reading the report on the meeting on the PSNI website, and I'm not gonna lie as optimistic as I have been, it's starting to really get hard to remain positive, I don't understand though why it was publicised so much that this 20 mil reprieve would allow recruitment to continue, which seems to be untrue, really disheartening, kinda lost for words at the moment, I will try and find out any information I can from my sources but at the same time I'm starting to really think if I really want this which I do I will have to go further a field which I will.

psnihopeful

I dunno why but I still have a good feeling about it all? Maybe I'm
Kidding myself but going to keep working on the fitness anyway.

HighburyLad

I just feel like I've been kicked in the gut a bit I dunno why, I really am an optimist, just kinda numb a bit for whatever reason, I think I expected him to say yes we'll be taking on the number needed for campaign 2....

psnihopeful

I agree with sthm though that the CC could be referring to the third campaign because why would they even consider the idea of a third recruitment campaign if they genuinely didn't have the need for it...

Try and remain hopeful it's the only way we will get through this without losing our sanity lol (here's hoping)

Goonerdee

Ok, I wish I had a punchbag right now, I'd be demolishing it!

So frustrated!

Catdog33

Highbury I feel exactly like you do! I really don't understand what the statement on 20th January was all about. That was 2 weeks ago we heard that 20million would allow recruitment to go ahead! Since then we've had letters going out saying recruitment is on hold for most people and now today basically saying the only way to balance the budget is to significantly reduce recruitment and that they can't afford to replace the people that are retiring!
It's a constant roller coaster!
It definitely does test you! Very very difficult to remain positive!

KevBo2015

Things don't sound good for those in the second campaign who received the not being processed letters. It would be so much easier for everyone if they would give a definite answer. 1. We will continue with the second campaign merit list and recruit xxx when the money becomes available. 2. We cannot afford to recruit any more officers for one financial year however hope to start again at xx a time. At least people would know them.

It looks like campaign 2 is shot tho of you've not received vetting forms?