1405 campaign news

Catdog33

How do you know 411?

Goonerdee

I don't know but I thought exhausting both merit lists would be more cost effective than using only some of them then starting a new campaign in 2016 for example.

Goonerdee

Being hopeful here.

Catdog33

Ok well until I actually hear that confirmed anywhere and until I get told I'm no longer in the running I'm going to stay positive. Far too much speculation not based on any evidence

Catdog33

Yeah I'm reckoning that too 411. I really doubt though that they will just take 100 and that's it over for us. It really would be a huge waste of money for them to then start from scratch for another recruitment drive. Even if it's another 18months before we get any progress as long as the merit list stays live I'm happy enough! I just want to be in with a shot! Lol

the411

Is anyone else here in the same position as me, having failed the PCA last time?

Catdog33

Yep, 2 seconds

the411

There must have been a high proportion of failures. From an foi, I think 730 passed the AC but only 400 odd passed the PCA.

HighburyLad

Coming from a source in the know, right now the PSNI are going from 11 districts to 8 and there is a lot of internal movement and in some cases people are having to apply for the job they had, as in someone in CID could be moved into uniform into response and if they want to do what they were doing they have to apply as there is less numbers for that role. The psni is going through a massive change internally right now, and this all has to be done by the 1st of April.

Again from what I've been told, at this moment in time they are focused on what's happening now with the force, I believe recruitment isn't priority at this moment because of the significant changes that's taking place as we speak, yes finance comes into play too, but at this moment there is too much going on in the internal side of things. This is what I've been told, this is just something that's holding things up too, finance too yes, but this is also in play too

mambono5

Highburylad that's all public knowledge that districts are changing into council boundary districts and most neighbourhood teams going and neighbourhood and response changing into local policing teams with an awful lot of job descriptions changing your source could just be any newspaper or website. Anyway i'm not long through Garnerville and out at district and it was such an experience, can't believe some people are still waiting from the same campaign really feel for you's all and hope you get the life changing call.

countrycop

mambono5 wrote: »

Highburylad that's all public knowledge that districts are changing into council boundary districts and most neighbourhood teams going and neighbourhood and response changing into local policing teams with an awful lot of job descriptions changing your source could just be any newspaper or website. Anyway i'm not long through Garnerville and out at district and it was such an experience, can't believe some people are still waiting from the same campaign really feel for you's all and hope you get the life changing call.

Coming from the inside have you heard any knowledge of any sort of movement/numbers ??

mambono5

countrycop wrote: »

Coming from the inside have you heard any knowledge of any sort of movement/numbers ??

Nope, just that it's been taken on a squad by squad basis, no-one really knows even the staff, but with the amount of officers leaving over the next few years they are going to have to keep recruiting.

countrycop

I, along with everyone else, would just love some sort of timescale/definitive numbers so we can at least plan and get on with life in the meantime. Congrats on passing out, I hope all is going well for you so far and continues to in the future.

mambono5

countrycop wrote: »

I, along with everyone else, would just love some sort of timescale/definitive numbers so we can at least plan and get on with life in the meantime. Congrats on passing out, I hope all is going well for you so far and continues to in the future.

Thanks, yeh i just took it that i wasn't getting in and even in garnerville took it on a day by day basis cause there are so many hurdles with exams and assessments that you can be kicked out on, only get one resit and if you fail your out, i didn't realise until i was in but if the works put in everyone will get through.

I don't think even the Chief knows what's happening at the minute until all the finances are sorted out!

the411

The Chief has stated, publicly, within this years budget, that he is taking 100 new officers.

I don't think the service would take kindly to people publicising information they have gained from the 'inside' on an openly public forum. The last thing anyone would want to do is jeopardise their place.

mambono5

the411 wrote: »

The Chief has stated, publicly, within this years budget, that he is taking 100 new officers.

I don't think the service would take kindly to people publicising information they have gained from the 'inside' on an openly public forum. The last thing anyone would want to do is jeopardise their place.

exactly i havent given any info that isn't public! although what i will say is don't read everything you believe in the belfast telegraph regarding student officers cause that story was so inaccurate it was laughable

Cromlech

mambono5 wrote: »

exactly i havent given any info that isn't public! although what i will say is don't read everything you believe in the belfast telegraph regarding student officers cause that story was so inaccurate it was laughable

Psuedo-journalisim is the BT's speciality.

Sthm

The answer we're all looking for:

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/251530/response/619734/attach/2/F%202015%2000400%20FOI%20Response.pdf

Sounds like there are 100 of us who received vetting forms so far. They'll only get 40-60 out of that after attrition rates.

chickidee

Thanks STHM for posting by the way.

I think it's a help to all of us.

Goonerdee

I'm liking that FoI response. As I've said if I have to wait two years instead of one I am willing to do so for the dream job.

Icarus9

So from the freedom of information acts 908 people are on the merit list and 810 people have been told they aren't being progressed unless the financial situation changes so only 98 people received vetting forms by that logic. Definitely not going to fill 100 places from that with usual PCA and med failures so wouldn't give up hope if not in the initial vetting group. That said if they are using this merit list through to 2017 and only taking between 100-200 as stated in the link then unless you are mid 70s up there isn't much chance of getting in and no new campaign until 2017 possibly, that doesn't make pretty reading!

chickidee

I think the majority of people in the 70's will make it into the 200.

Icarus9

chickidee wrote: »

I think the majority of people in the 70's will make it into the 200.

Depends how you break down the remaining 810 people, did only 200 people score over 70?

chickidee

Going off campaign one, I believe those with low 70's were in the fourth squad to get in.

4 squads at a maximum of 40 people = 160.

If you take into account estimated PCA,Medical Failures and withdrawals then I hope they will get through all the A's.

That's if they even take the full 200. Either way, it's a long wait for all of us.

ZeGerman

I'd suggest we all sit tight until April, the internal upheaval will hopefully be sorted, the new budget will be released and there is a possibility of government change at Westminster. If the labour party get back in they have president historically for heavy public spending, that's only a good thing for us stuck in limbo.

Goonerdee

Am I reading this wrong or what?

How it reads to me is that only 100 to 200 will be selected for 2015/16 campaign and the rest for 2016/17 campaign depending on numbers required. It isn't 200 for the next three years. Its 100-200 this year and hopefully more after that. Campaign 3 was for 2016/17 but its been scrapped.

I'm looking at this positively. I think everyone should do the same.

Mop a top

chickidee wrote: »

Going off campaign one, I believe those with low 70's were in the fourth squad to get in.

4 squads at a maximum of 40 people = 160.

If you take into account estimated PCA,Medical Failures and withdrawals then I hope they will get through all the A's.

That's if they even take the full 200. Either way, it's a long wait for all of us.

I got a low 70's score. Should have been in intake 4 if the vetting hadn't taken so long lol. Fingers crossed you'll fair better than me lol

countrycop

I wonder how low the AC marks will go for those potential 200 and how far apart the intakes will be? Surely at this stage those who got vetting wont be processed until April with the first intake in June/July and the second and third intake could be closer to Christmas.

chickidee

Sounds about right

chickidee

There's 900 odd of us on the merit list, but only seems to be about 20-30 regular posters on this thread.

I wonder why so little people post this time around when the first campaign was hiving.

Goonerdee

chickidee wrote: »

There's 900 odd of us on the merit list, but only seems to be about 20-30 regular posters on this thread.

I wonder why so little people post this time around when the first campaign was hiving.

I think it is a mixture of exhaustion and frustration about the budget.

chickidee

I'm still quite hopeful.

WannabePC

Just seen there's a tenth intake, happy days for all those who got in! Hopefully that'll be a few more numbers off the 908!

Mappers27

Hi folks, I've a quick question. I have received the phonecall to go to garnerville. The process has obviously been long and at times uninformed. I have booked a holiday (before I heard from them - life must go on) The date of it is after my initial garnerville training but will only be a week after I join my new station. Am I likely to get going on this holiday or should I forget about it? It's a big holiday that means I will be away for just over 2 weeks. I've paid a significant amount already and don't want to loss it. As such, rightly or wrongly this will affect my decision as to whether I join.

Any help anyone can give would be appreciated.

mambono5

If it's after Garnerville you could be alright it's up to your district you get allocated to decide but the problem is you don't get the district until near the end of Garnerville. Best speaking to your SSO when you start and see if you can get something sorted although they may just say they can't do anything about it as it's not when your in Garnerville.

Suzuka

You're insane if you don't join because of the holiday

fish2690

There is a public NI Policing Board meeting on Thursday 5th at 2.30pm.

KevBo2015

You'd be mad not to take the job, you can always go on another holiday if things don't work out, try and sell the one you have already booked etc.

Think about how long this process has been and what would happen should you have to enter it again. There is so much that’s uncertain with these budget cuts and numbers being reduced.

Mappers27

Thanks for the responses guys, I know the job is a good opportunity and has great prospects but there is more to my decision than that. In terms of actually knowing if the holiday time is likely to be granted, does anyone know/ been in this boat?

KevBo2015

I would suggest giving HR a ring and having a chat with them?

If your having second thoughs about joining and this holiday is one of the reasons your thinking about it then maybe its not the career for you. What ever you do think long and hard about the decision, if you decide against it, no big deal life goes on and I am sure you have your reasons.

Good luck what ever you decide to do.

chickidee

Unfortunately, I think it would be largely frowned upon if you were to go off on leave (for whatever reason) as soon as you have started in your new station.

Officers often make personal sacrifices to be available for their shifts. I believe I had heard of one officer who had booked her honeymoon well in advance, and was unable to take it due to restrictions on leave during the time of the G8 Summit.

I think that KevBo's suggestion is advisable, phone or email HR and explain the situation. Ask what your leave entitlement would be, and whether you can utilise it within the first weeks of your deployment to your new station.

Shield

Mappers27 wrote: »

Thanks for the responses guys, I know the job is a good opportunity and has great prospects but there is more to my decision than that. In terms of actually knowing if the holiday time is likely to be granted, does anyone know/ been in this boat?

It's the done thing that Moderators be clear about whether they're posting as a Moderator or just a normal Joe.

For the sake of the following post, and for clarity to my CMods, please consider the following to be personal opinion, and not the opinion of the PSNI:

Hello Mappers27.

You are not the first person to have asked this question, and you won't be the last. If you hang around here long enough, some of the guys currently in Garnerville will be able to correct me if I'm wrong, but, directly after you attest, you have additional training that you must pass before you can become operational. The standard Firearms course being a good example.

You would do well to give your current dilemma serious thought, because this is not going to be the only time you will be seriously inconvenienced in your personal life. You will miss events, social arrangements, school plays, and much more. To rub salt into the wound, while your child is looking for you when they're on the stage, you're cleaning vomit off your shirt, courtesy of someone who doesn't know their limits.

People don't do this job for the money. Most people reading this genuinely want to make a difference, they know they could make a difference if they just had the chance. They accept that they'll have to do the deeply unpleasant things...

Like knock on the front door of a house that's buzzing with giggles and tickles, and in one sentence, smash Daddy's world into tiny pieces, and, look... you can't look them in the eye but you can't look away, the slowly-changing expressions on their faces, they know something's wrong, Daddy is trying to be strong but he's human, he starts to tremble after asking how it happened, you try to remember your training but it's not there, you see the formation of the first of many tears to fall, it's so quiet, they're just standing looking at Daddy, he can't tell them, it's not true, "are you sure?" he asks, your training is useless to you now, he needs...

you.

Or does he?

chickidee

That's deep thinking for a Monday evening, Shield.

pb82

Shield wrote: »

It's the done thing that Moderators be clear about whether they're posting as a Moderator or just a normal Joe.

For the sake of the following post, and for clarity to my CMods, please consider the following to be personal opinion, and not the opinion of the PSNI:

Hello Mappers27.

You are not the first person to have asked this question, and you won't be the last. If you hang around here long enough, some of the guys currently in Garnerville will be able to correct me if I'm wrong, but, directly after you attest, you have additional training that you must pass before you can become operational. The standard Firearms course being a good example.

You would do well to give your current dilemma serious thought, because this is not going to be the only time you will be seriously inconvenienced in your personal life. You will miss events, social arrangements, school plays, and much more. To rub salt into the wound, while your child is looking for you when they're on the stage, you're cleaning vomit off your shirt, courtesy of someone who doesn't know their limits.

People don't do this job for the money. Most people reading this genuinely want to make a difference, they know they could make a difference if they just had the chance. They accept that they'll have to do the deeply unpleasant things...

Like knock on the front door of a house that's buzzing with giggles and tickles, and in one sentence, smash Daddy's world into tiny pieces, and, look... you can't look them in the eye but you can't look away, the slowly-changing expressions on their faces, they know something's wrong, Daddy is trying to be strong but he's human, he starts to tremble after asking how it happened, you try to remember your training but it's not there, you see the formation of the first of many tears to fall, it's so quiet, they're just standing looking at Daddy, he can't tell them, it's not true, "are you sure?" he asks, your training is useless to you now, he needs...

you.

Or does he?

It's no longer like that shield

It's an intensive 22 week course including firearms and psp

The emphasis is on you to do the pre reads and most of the learning yourself

Pass out friday report to station on monday for operational duty is how it goes now, driving courses are detailed from district at a later date and if needed

And Mappers27

I gave up a holiday in vegas to do my training, I was due to be best man for my best mates wedding, not only did I have to cancel the holiday but I had to let my best mate down, horrible but thankfully he understands the nature of the job. Will be worth it a million times over in the long run

1212

And in addition to above you don't actually get put on the holiday booking system until you pass out.

Shield

Much appreciated. Can you advise our new forum member what his first impression to his colleagues would be if he went AL on Day 1 in his station?

Back in my day, after you attested, you were allocated your week off somewhere in the 10 weeks of ODP phase 2 training, which made ODP 11 weeks but one week of that was mandatory AL during those 11 weeks.

pb82 wrote: »

It's no longer like that shield

It's an intensive 22 week course including firearms and psp

The emphasis is on you to do the pre reads and most of the learning yourself

Pass out friday report to station on monday for operational duty is how it goes now, driving courses are detailed from district at a later date and if needed

And Mappers27

I gave up a holiday in vegas to do my training, I was due to be best man for my best mates wedding, not only did I have to cancel the holiday but I had to let my best mate down, horrible but thankfully he understands the nature of the job. Will be worth it a million times over in the long run

countrycop

Here's hoping for some development/news in tomorrow's board meeting.

HighburyLad

countrycop wrote: »

Here's hoping for some development/news in tomorrow's board meeting.

I hope your right bud, was just thinking we applied in May 2014, it's now March 2015 and we've only passed the assessment centre, still have the remaining stages to pass, and at that rate God only knows if it's to happen, when it will. Folks in campaign 1 are still waiting too. I was just sort of researching and really googling and was looking up Police Scotland and it says they're process now takes 10-12 weeks from applying to offer is made. Just such a stark contrast in comparison to here, wish here was as efficient, suppose money slows everything down.

fish2690

Anyone watching live later? Could i get any relevant info posted up as I am away to a doctors appointment this afternoon. I'll try and get watching it tomorrow.

lionfunk

Im watching it now, by april 2016 police numbers will shrink to 6700