u.s beef market opening up ?

Bodacious

Big positive move forward for us or what?

Bullocks

Bodacious wrote: »

Big positive move forward for us or what?

Can only be a good thing . Especially if they can market our tasty grass fed beef out there

simx

Bullocks wrote: »

Can only be a good thing . Especially if they can market our tasty grass fed beef out there

Yeah I heard off a couple of people that the beef in us tastes like complete s#%^e

onyerbikepat

simx wrote: »

Yeah I heard off a couple of people that the beef in us tastes like complete s#%^e

I dunno about that. Nicest steak I ver had was in the US. Is good old Larry involved in this in any way?

Bullocks

simx wrote: »

Yeah I heard off a couple of people that the beef in us tastes like complete s#%^e

Well I don't know about that but the idea of irish grass fed natural beef is something that might appeal to the yanks and may even command a premium price if marketed right .
But even if not its always great to find an extra market for anything you're selling

Dawggone

onyerbikepat wrote: »

I dunno about that. Nicest steak I ver had was in the US. Is good old Larry involved in this in any way?

Agree. The nicest beef is maize fed and pumped full of hormones !!

blue5000

No panic yet lads, it will be 6 months before we have grass fed beef on a hook;)

TheSunderz

Have a feeling that larry and the boyz are the only ones that are going to benefit?

Bullocks

Dawggone wrote: »

Agree. The nicest beef is maize fed and pumped full of hormones !!

I think that's the way the world is gone , sure I prefer a quarter pounder with cheese to a steak dinner . We would eat any old crap now so long as it's quick and slides down the gullet with a bit of grease !

Deepsouthwest

TheSunderz wrote: »

Have a feeling that larry and the boyz are the only ones that are going to benefit?

It is worrying that when I read about this morning, that the "expert spokesperson" that was quoted was from Meat industry Ireland. This will surely a good thing for irish beef, but u can be sure that the MII will be trying to get the biggest cut

Dawggone

Bullocks wrote: »

I think that's the way the world is gone , sure I prefer a quarter pounder with cheese to a steak dinner . We would eat any old crap now so long as it's quick and slides down the gullet with a bit of grease !

Couldn't agree on the burger over the lump of steak!
However any grains fed meat is nicer than grass fed....but if the marketing of the "grass fed" beef works, then why not push the usp!!

Markcheese

What % of our "grass fed" beef is finished "out of the shed " so loads of meal ,maize silage and a bit of grass silage..
Best tasting beef IMO is from traditional breeds - that's been properly slaughtered and hung for as long as possible and seasoned well (heresy )

_Brian

Is this not just part of softening the EU up for bi-lateral trade agreements ??
I would see that as a bad move.

I'd say for whatever small positive to this. allowing cheap beef from countries where hormones are legal is a bad step and far outweighs the benifit of the deal

freedominacup

Markcheese wrote: »

Best tasting beef IMO is from traditional breeds - that's been properly slaughtered and hung for as long as possible and seasoned well (heresy )

The sister was home for a few days over New Years and butchers meat quality etc came up. The bil gets the only sausages their boys will eat from a butchers close to where he works in London. Jamie Oliver's butchers was also nearby until he got shutdown for hanging meat too long. Probably just some jobsworth looking to make a name for himself but ......

Bullocks

Dawggone wrote: »

Couldn't agree on the burger over the lump of steak!
However any grains fed meat is nicer than grass fed....but if the marketing of the "grass fed" beef works, then why not push the usp!!

Correct , if it has a usp we should play on it .

Dawggone

Bullocks wrote: »

Correct , if it has a usp we should play on it .

Sure we know that a large % of Irish beef is finished from grains,but marketing is marketing!

leg wax

unless they take the fore quarter its not going to do much for beef prices back to the farmer,i think ,more money getting live trade going for the farmer.

Bullocks

Dawggone wrote: »

Sure we know that a large % of Irish beef is finished from grains,but marketing is marketing!

Did you not see the board bia ads , rain and grass that goes into our meat to make it so tasty

Dawggone

Bullocks wrote: »

Did you not see the board bia ads , rain and grass that goes into our meat to make it so tasty

Don't forget the passion....:)

Hershall

blue5000 wrote: »

No panic yet lads, it will be 6 months before we have grass fed beef on a hook;)

Once they were eating grass up to November they will qualify no problem!!!!

larrymiller

On the news about it now

Bleating Lamb

larrymiller wrote: »

On the news about it now[/QUOTE

While George 'The Farmer' Lee was giving his report in front of a shed of cattle eating Silage it was Murphy's law,one bullock had a good strong knob of a horn and another had his leg and head out through the barrier at the same time!:)

larrymiller

Bleating Lamb wrote: »

larrymiller wrote: »

On the news about it now[/QUOTE

While George 'The Farmer' Lee was giving his report in front of a shed of cattle eating Silage it was Murphy's law,one bullock had a good strong knob of a horn and another had his leg and head out through the barrier at the same time!:)

Haha I didn't cop it to busy stuffing the rashers into me

Cavanjack

leg wax wrote: »

unless they take the fore quarter its not going to do much for beef prices back to the farmer,i think ,more money getting live trade going for the farmer.

Sure Angus burgers are sold as a premium product. I'm sure larry and co. will sell grass fed burgers from our prime cattle fore quarters?

Willfarman

I'd prefer to see a boat loading to the hilt with bullocks in Waterford port.

Cavanjack

Willfarman wrote: »

I'd prefer to see a boat loading to the hilt with bullocks in Waterford port.

Wouldn't we all. Not enough agri related jobs created doing that to interest our defence minister.

hfallada

Ireland could do very well from this. The US has some of the wealthiest and most food conscious consumers in the world. Look at whole foods supermarket, where people spend a ton of money for premium quality food. But of course RTE liveline gets someone from a dirt poor state talking about how Irish meat wont be successful due to its higher price. Who clearly doesnt know what the target market for Irish steaks wants and are willing to pay.

The Americans pay a premium for our butter. They will pay a premium for a luxury product like a decent steak.

Kovu

hfallada wrote: »

Ireland could do very well from this. The US has some of the wealthiest and most food conscious consumers in the world. Look at whole foods supermarket, where people spend a ton of money for premium quality food. But of course RTE liveline gets someone from a dirt poor state talking about how Irish meat wont be successful due to its higher price. Who clearly doesnt know what the target market for Irish steaks wants and are willing to pay.

The Americans pay a premium for our butter. They will pay a premium for a luxury product like a decent steak.

This.

We need someone over there that knows exactly who wants a healthier premium product. Even just a quick look online by people educates the public about what their food eats, and the effects it has on the health of the animal and themselves. The grass fed trend was is already occurring over there before this. In 2002 there were 50 grass fed beef operations in the U.S. and by 2011 there were 2000.

We need someone with a decent head for marketing that will zone in on the 'health' trend and nail it to them as better quality meat that won't clog your arteries like your corn-fed Omega 3&6 lacking heart attack on a plate Grass fed beef is also high in CLA, which is an anti-carcinogen, anti-diabetic and anti-antherosclerosis (heart disease). I think it's found to be four or five times higher in grass-fed beef than grain fed.

Or if all else fails, nab some famous people and get them photographed eating it!

onyerbikepat

Jeez, it just shows how cheap Irish beef has gone. The US doesn't exactly have high costs.

The US herd is at it's slowest since the early 1950's.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/14/cattle-weather-usa-idUSL2N0T42NB20141114

Brass Tag

What's the story about specifications?
Will MII come up with another smoke screen to deny the primary producer of any price benefit from this market?

Remember, beef in our nearest market the UK also pays a premium price, but the wanker processors come up with every airy fairy excuse possible as to why the Irish farmer can't get his fair slice of that market price!

US beef is predominantly from Angus type cattle.
Where will steak off a big charolais or lim steer fit in?

onyerbikepat

Brass Tag wrote: »

.....US beef is predominantly from Angus type cattle.
Where will steak off a big charolais or lim steer fit in?

'All you can eat' restaurants, US style.

J DEERE

hfallada wrote: »

Ireland could do very well from this. The US has some of the wealthiest and most food conscious consumers in the world. Look at whole foods supermarket, where people spend a ton of money for premium quality food. But of course RTE liveline gets someone from a dirt poor state talking about how Irish meat wont be successful due to its higher price. Who clearly doesnt know what the target market for Irish steaks wants and are willing to pay.

The Americans pay a premium for our butter. They will pay a premium for a luxury product like a decent steak.

Might work well in major urban areas with high levels of disposable income but will be a niche product and will have to be marketed as such. Health conscious individuals will not eat red meat on a very regular basis, once a week - twice at a push. Ive spoken with grass fed beef producers at farmers markets out there. It's a tough sell

J DEERE

onyerbikepat wrote: »

Jeez, it just shows how cheap Irish beef has gone. The US doesn't exactly have high costs.

The US herd is at it's slowest since the early 1950's.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/14/cattle-weather-usa-idUSL2N0T42NB20141114

Are those prices per cwt deadweight or live weight?

amacca

_Brian wrote: »

Is this not just part of softening the EU up for bi-lateral trade agreements ??
I would see that as a bad move.

I'd say for whatever small positive to this. allowing cheap beef from countries where hormones are legal is a bad step and far outweighs the benifit of the deal

this is something I'd be worried about too.

Base price

Brass Tag wrote: »

What's the story about specifications?
Will MII come up with another smoke screen to deny the primary producer of any price benefit from this market?

Remember, beef in our nearest market the UK also pays a premium price, but the wanker processors come up with every airy fairy excuse possible as to why the Irish farmer can't get his fair slice of that market price!

US beef is predominantly from Angus type cattle.
Where will steak off a big charolais or lim steer fit in?

Reminding me that Larry & Co were mad buying up AA calves last year. Remember an article in the journal where they were paying for to have them contract reared.
http://www.farmersjournal.ie/abp-buy-1-000-aberdeen-angus-calves-157486/

Bullocks

Base price wrote: »

Reminding me that Larry & Co were mad buying up AA calves last year. Remember an article in the journal where they were paying for to have them contract reared.
http://www.farmersjournal.ie/abp-buy-1-000-aberdeen-angus-calves-157486/

Interesting alright now that you point it out , and did I read somewhere that one of the contract rearers said it wouldn't pay him to give them a do that Larry was putting into them

Miname

Its great to see anothmarket opening up, but i genuinely think its opening us up morso to an influx of real cheap meat thats just going to be another excuse to drop the price of beef over here. has anyone got figures on what tonnage has been accepted and what tonnage has to be accepted this way.

Hershall

Base price wrote: »

Reminding me that Larry & Co were mad buying up AA calves last year. Remember an article in the journal where they were paying for to have them contract reared.
http://www.farmersjournal.ie/abp-buy-1-000-aberdeen-angus-calves-157486/

It will do one thing anyway, any man that was unsure about feeding cattle is going to feed them now. Keep the production line moving. Great news for men with stores to sell this spring! !!!

Birdnuts

_Brian wrote: »

Is this not just part of softening the EU up for bi-lateral trade agreements ??
I would see that as a bad move.

I'd say for whatever small positive to this. allowing cheap beef from countries where hormones are legal is a bad step and far outweighs the benifit of the deal

That's something I would really fear on the back of those secretive TIFF talks between the EU and the US. It could in theory mean the EU being flooded with sub standard beef,chicken and other agri products from around the world:(

él statutorio

As someone who has recently moved to the US I can't wait for this to happen.

Cheap beef is very easy to get here but to be perfectly honest with you it tastes bloody awful.

Where Irish beef will succeed here is as a luxury product. They'll need to push the grass fed credentials to the max.

I've only found one place where the meat is of equivalent quality to back home and that's from a local artisan butcher who has his own small herd of grass fed cattle.
No hormones, no antibiotics, all organic, etc. It's top notch beef by American standards and it's bloody expensive but it's tasty.
Having said that, I'd only put it on a par with some of the top end supermarket brands back home (the likes of M&S or Tesco finest).

leg wax

unless other factories are built or reopened to process more cattle for this so called golden american market,farmers will not get fook all out of it.as long as beef farmers have to ask a agent when can you get them killed for me its a waste of time,very simple and what ever way you look at it unless new buyer comes to ireland to buy cattle for slaughter yee will get nothing.

Willfarman

The way the the civil servants interpret eu legislation on standards for abattoirs and meat processing it makes the cost of setting up any new factories prohibitive for any individual that's not in the game.. The few smallish Independants that we do have are only getting by on scraps off the table of the big barons as long as they tow the line and don't stick their head up.

Live export is our only hope of a competitive marketplace for primary producers.

Markcheese

Brass Tag wrote: »

What's the story about specifications?
Will MII come up with another smoke screen to deny the primary producer of any price benefit from this market?

Remember, beef in our nearest market the UK also pays a premium price, but the wanker processors come up with every airy fairy excuse possible as to why the Irish farmer can't get his fair slice of that market price!

US beef is predominantly from Angus type cattle.
Where will steak off a big charolais or lim steer fit in?

If they're happy to pay for grass fed angus type ... Then for F sake ,give them what they want - but it's the return for the farmer that'll make the change -

Bullocks

Will anyone bull their cows to an AA or HE this year on the back of this news ? Or will it be too late by the time they are fit for slaughter and things will have changed again .
I just saw in the farming indo there that Coveney has bee working on this deal for the last 2 years . I never heard anything about these negotiations until now , heard loads about the Chinese negotiations but not American , is it just me that never heard about it ?
Think would there be any connection between his role in defence , the Americans and throw in a bit of beef to sweeten a deal ? Or is it just me gone mad with a conspiracy ?

Tinder Surprise

Can someone please explain how this is linked to Irish Beef getting back into China?

Greengrass1

Cousin over from America for Christmas here. Was down tonight for dinner.
We askrd here what the meat was like im America.
Horrible was her words. Chickens are the size of turkeys.
Her first few days over there she bought a lump of beef. Had to throw it out.
Only place she can get similar meet to home is from an organic butcher shop.
There well able to pay the extra now but loves coming home every few months and able to have good wholesome food.

I reckon this will be a good thing for Ireland's beef industry

Vandy West

Imo the main play in america for irish beef is to be a 'signature' style steak. Below is a link to the menu for a typical high end chain steakhouse. Most steakhouses have a pretty similar menu, so if they can get a 'irish grass fed angus' as a consistent entry on steakhouse and irish pubs menus there would be a pretty good size market. Based on my own experience americans would not each much steak at home, so restaurant market would be main place to sell 'quality'.
Maybe the high end steaks only could be sent to america ( like new zealand lamb is shipped to europe) and the lower value cuts to uk.

http://www.ruthschris.com/menu/steak/

Willfarman

I found the chicken to be very tasty anyplace. It's all fed on mine corn. I've been in the US but any steak I had wasn't beef at all.

rangler1

I don't know how the American market can benefit us, cattle were cheaper in Canada last year when I was there than they are here.
The main advantage of the deal was the European market opening up for Canadian beef.
How can we pay the transport cost and export into a lesser priced market.

Greengrass1

rangler1 wrote: »

I don't know how the American market can benefit us, cattle were cheaper in Canada last year when I was there than they are here.
The main advantage of the deal was the European market opening up for Canadian beef.
How can we pay the transport cost and export into a lesser priced market.

From what my cousin says it will be high end meat over there. They can charge extra for it.
Will farmer benefit though is the question

Toplink

rangler1 wrote: »

I don't know how the American market can benefit us, cattle were cheaper in Canada last year when I was there than they are here.
The main advantage of the deal was the European market opening up for Canadian beef.
How can we pay the transport cost and export into a lesser priced market.

Premium product in a niche market. It wont compete with the hormone infested crap.