Synch Heifers

frazzledhome

Does anyone have a program (they've used) for synching breeding with fixed time AI? We used to do it yrs ago when bollixing with the wrong cow but cant find the program

trixi2011

frazzledhome wrote: »

Does anyone have a program (they've used) for synching breeding with fixed time AI? We used to do it yrs ago when bollixing with the wrong cow but cant find the program

Double pg 11 days apart ai for 4/5 days bulls out

Dunedin

trixi2011 wrote: »

Double pg 11 days apart ai for 4/5 days bulls out

To do a proper job, I would suggest using cidrs - I would also AI on days 2 and 3 as opposed to 4/5 days.

then the bull can be let out.

Brown Podzol

frazzledhome wrote: »

Does anyone have a program (they've used) for synching breeding with fixed time AI? We used to do it yrs ago when bollixing with the wrong cow but cant find the program

AI'd a bunch today. Cider day one, pg day 8, cider out day 9 and ai day 11. 80% standing today, will ai all again tomorrow,day 12 ,with AA.

frazzledhome

Brown Podzol wrote: »

AI'd a bunch today. Cider day one, pg day 8, cider out day 9 and ai day 11. 80% standing today, will ai all again tomorrow,day 12 ,with AA.

That's the one

Dunedin

Brown Podzol wrote: »

AI'd a bunch today. Cider day one, pg day 8, cider out day 9 and ai day 11. 80% standing today, will ai all again tomorrow,day 12 ,with AA.

don't leave the string too long on the ciders' especially if they are in the shed as the others will lick at them and pull them out.....

Brown Podzol

Dunedin wrote: »

don't leave the string too long on the ciders' especially if they are in the shed as the others will lick at them and pull them out.....

True, one missing but she came in anyway.

stretch film

Brown Podzol wrote: »

AI'd a bunch today. Cider day one, pg day 8, cider out day 9 and ai day 11. 80% standing today, will ai all again tomorrow,day 12 ,with AA.

presuming its not your first time with this system how do you find conception rates.... what costs involved

Brown Podzol

stretch film wrote: »

presuming its not your first time with this system how do you find conception rates.... what costs involved

First time doing this.Should be ok, c. 400kg. This is a bunch of April/may 13 calves too small this spring and will be sold in the Autumn. Always observe for 3 weeks and pg remainder in Spring in the field.

stretch film

Brown Podzol wrote: »

First time doing this.Should be ok, c. 400kg. This is a bunch of April/may 13 calves too small this spring and will be sold in the Autumn. Always observe for 3 weeks and pg remainder in Spring in the field.

Rep in lic very enthusiastic about cidr route. You can re use coils over all stock for second round but leave out the shot of pg and achieve a reasonable synching of repeats whilst not jeopardising any pregnancies from first round

Brown Podzol

stretch film wrote: »

Rep in lic very enthusiastic about cidr route. You can re use coils over all stock for second round but leave out the shot of pg and achieve a reasonable synching of repeats whilst not jeopardising any pregnancies from first round

Interesting.At what stage would you insert the used CIDR.

Milked out

stretch film wrote: »

Rep in lic very enthusiastic about cidr route. You can re use coils over all stock for second round but leave out the shot of pg and achieve a reasonable synching of repeats whilst not jeopardising any pregnancies from first round

Not sure on this now but the neighbour used to reuse coils also but he stopped as the concentration of whatever is in them has been reduced from what it was previously, was a few years back this came up but that was the jist of the conversation I think. Had the rep any figures or research on this stretch?

Miname

Milked out wrote: »

Not sure on this now but the neighbour used to reuse coils also but he stopped as the concentration of whatever is in them has been reduced from what it was previously, was a few years back this came up but that was the jist of the conversation I think. Had the rep any figures or research on this stretch?

I asked our vet about it a while back and he said the same, that the concentration had gone down and would no longer work effectively. Disease was another he mentioned but I'd say he was grasping at straws at that stage. I've found with synching heifers and cows they are a complete wAste unless used in conjunction with a good fertility lick.

Brown Podzol

Milked out wrote: »

Not sure on this now but the neighbour used to reuse coils also but he stopped as the concentration of whatever is in them has been reduced from what it was previously, was a few years back this came up but that was the jist of the conversation I think. Had the rep any figures or research on this stretch?

Talking to an AI man, he brings home all used CICR's to use on his own herd, includes pedigree Sims with embryo transfer work. Scrubs clean with Savlon.Says they fine.

frazzledhome

Brown Podzol wrote: »

Talking to an AI man, he brings home all used CICR's to use on his own herd, includes pedigree Sims with embryo transfer work. Scrubs clean with Savlon.Says they fine.

We used wash in Savlon, wrap in tin foil for reuse

trixi2011

Dunedin wrote: »

To do a proper job, I would suggest using cidrs - I would also AI on days 2 and 3 as opposed to 4/5 days.

then the bull can be let out.

No difference in conception rates between the different programs in maiden heifers have used both. You would expect to get 80/90 % in day 2 and 3 and just pick up any stragglers on day 4-5 . Hugh difference in price if your doing big numbers . 100% think ciders are the best product for use in sync cows but in my opinion I think they are an unnecessary expense when sync fertile heifers

frazzledhome

Priced synch costing c€45 per heifer with 2xai.

Bought a Hereford bull over the phone instead €1800

Milked out

frazzledhome wrote: »

Priced synch costing c€45 per heifer with 2xai.

Bought a Hereford bull over the phone instead €1800

You calving these in autumn frazzledhome? If not keeping calves an aa or he would leave a few euro extra anyway

frazzledhome

Milked out wrote: »

You calving these in autumn frazzledhome? If not keeping calves an aa or he would leave a few euro extra anyway

May calve may sell don't know yet. If their not on calf I've no choice.

If I calve the last thing I want is weaned calves at this time of year. Can't use AA as the smart alecs will beat me down in price claiming their Jex. White head and Hex on card is what I want

stanflt

i started ai on heifers 6days ago and 9 of 14 served

have a vesectomised bull with them

first time using one-should have used one years ago

have one with cows-only 3 left to submit

Lizard_Moon

Brown Podzol wrote: »

Talking to an AI man, he brings home all used CICR's to use on his own herd, includes pedigree Sims with embryo transfer work. Scrubs clean with Savlon.Says they fine.

Hope he doesn't reuse them on client farms and charge full price

Reduced amount of Progesterone over time in the CIDR.

Wear gloves if handling if you guys don't want any reduction in the viability of your little swimmers

J DEERE

Brown Podzol wrote: »

AI'd a bunch today. Cider day one, pg day 8, cider out day 9 and ai day 11. 80% standing today, will ai all again tomorrow,day 12 ,with AA.

Is the pg on day 8 necessary or are you using it as precaution?

J DEERE

stanflt wrote: »

i started ai on heifers 6days ago and 9 of 14 served

have a vesectomised bull with them

first time using one-should have used one years ago

have one with cows-only 3 left to submit

How do u find temperament with the teaser?

stanflt

J DEERE wrote: »

How do u find temperament with the teaser?

I'll tell you at the end of the year

Lad with cows is only 14monrh

Lad with heifers is only 10 months old

J DEERE

stanflt wrote: »

I'll tell you at the end of the year

Lad with cows is only 14monrh

Lad with heifers is only 10 months old

Friesian teaser Im guessing?

Have heard they are best to use as very active. Neighbour uses them, said they are grand in the first year but can't be managed second year

stretch film

Brown Podzol wrote: »

Interesting.At what stage would you insert the used CIDR.

Milked out wrote: »

Not sure on this now but the neighbour used to reuse coils also but he stopped as the concentration of whatever is in them has been reduced from what it was previously, was a few years back this came up but that was the jist of the conversation I think. Had the rep any figures or research on this stretch?

the conversation never got into that level of detail. the man himself has used that program on his own farm in nz and has a number of clients using successfully here.

with heifers here going onto bullock/silage ground a compressed period of ai is essential... have used the 7 day observation /single shot pg here but its still a 10 day effort. only run a vas bull with them .

Brown Podzol

J DEERE wrote: »

Is the pg on day 8 necessary or are you using it as precaution?

Don't know. It's the belt and braces method I use when I want to bring animals bulling, say the ones that should have been served after 3 weeks AI and still haven't shown.