Japanese Student Raped In India Over a Number of Weeks

AndonHandon

http://m.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-30665581

Five men have been arrested in India charged with kidnapping and repeatedly raping a Japanese student.

Police in the eastern city of Calcutta say the assaults took place over a period of more than a month from 23 November and in at least two locations.

They say an organised gang is suspected of targeting single women tourists.

Another high profile story involving a female tourist being sexually assaulted in India to go with the Swiss and Danish ladies over the past years and the gruesome gang rapes of Indian girls too.

The article goes on to state "Increasing numbers of rape cases are being reported and highlighted in India, prompting widespread outrage." The key word here is 'reported'; does this indicate that the rape culture is not just confined to India? In rural areas of India there is a hierarchy among the societies where essentially women are less valued than animals which in turn justifies, to certain people, rape. But is it as bad as the media coverage suggests and should foreign women avoid travelling around India full stop, let alone as part of a group?

Menas

AndonHandon wrote: »

http://m.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-30665581


Another high profile story involving a female tourist being sexually assaulted in India to go with the Swiss and Danish ladies over the past years and the gruesome gang rapes of Indian girls too.

The article goes on to state "Increasing numbers of rape cases are being reported and highlighted in India, prompting widespread outrage." The key word here is 'reported'; does this indicate that the rape culture is not just confined to India? In rural areas of India there is a hierarchy among the societies where essentially women are less valued than animals which in turn justifies, to certain people, rape. But is it as bad as the media coverage suggests and should foreign women avoid travelling around India full stop, let alone as part of a group?

India is a big country with lots of people. Rapes happen all over the world...but media focus is on India at the moment.
If every tourist who got robbed in ireland had international attention we would have no tourist industry.

Grayson

Trigger Happy wrote: »

India is a big country with lots of people. Rapes happen all over the world...but media focus is on India at the moment.
If every tourist who got robbed in ireland had international attention we would have no tourist industry.

To be fair, even though it might happen everywhere it's worse in that part of the world. India does have a rapey culture. As does Pakistan and Bangladesh.

Here's a vice piece about Bangladesh where they talk to police, victims and even rapists. the prevailing attitude is that any woman who gets raped deserved/wanted it

Tony EH

Trigger Happy wrote: »

India is a big country with lots of people. Rapes happen all over the world...but media focus is on India at the moment.
If every tourist who got robbed in ireland had international attention we would have no tourist industry.

Robbing...

Gang rape...

Hmmmmmmmmmm...

Venus In Furs

Trigger Happy wrote: »

India is a big country with lots of people. Rapes happen all over the world...but media focus is on India at the moment.
If every tourist who got robbed in ireland had international attention we would have no tourist industry.

I know you're being devil's advocate, but I don't agree. In parts of India, it is ingrained in the social fabric that women aren't worth sh-t.
It's not the case throughout all of India though, for sure.

Menas

Tony EH wrote: »

Robbing...

Gang rape...

Hmmmmmmmmmm...

I am not comparing rape and robbery.....but I suspect you knew that, you know, from my post?

Tony EH

Yeh, but the analogy really doesn't work.

Grayson

Trigger Happy wrote: »

I am not comparing rape and robbery.....but I suspect you knew that, you know, from my post?

If an american came to Ireland, was abducted and gang raped for weeks, that would make front page news in every US paper. It'd also be mentioned on the news in a lot of other countries.



The Japanese girl's lucky she got out when she did.

GalwayGuitar

No foreign woman should travel by herself in India.

Precious flower

Grayson wrote: »

To be fair, even though it might happen everywhere it's worse in that part of the world. India does have a rapey culture. As does Pakistan and Bangladesh.

Here's a vice piece about Bangladesh where they talk to police, victims and even rapists. the prevailing attitude is that any woman who gets raped deserved/wanted it

God that video is scary. How can the chief of police and the leader of a religious order stand their and spout that? How can anyone think that that is okay? Does Islam really promote such behaviour? The men who raped that woman seemed to know it was wrong and said the community and Allah would disown them for it but yet the people the girl interviewed in top positions suggested otherwise. That whole "if you make the man's eyes wander he can basically do want he wants to you" is so disturbing. Clothing never comes into it (though all those women were fully covered, though in the policeman's view not enough) that even if you were wearing a burka, you would still get raped. I would be really terrified in a place like that.

Menas

Grayson wrote: »

If an american came to Ireland, was abducted and gang raped for weeks, that would make front page news in every US paper. It'd also be mentioned on the news in a lot of other countries.



The Japanese girl's lucky she got out when she did.

Completely agree, but my response was to the OPs question which was should unaccompanied women be afraid to travel to india.
I used the amount of tourist muggings in ireland as an example - if they were all publicized then we would have no tourism industry.

GalwayGuitar

Trigger Happy wrote: »

Completely agree, but my response was to the OPs question which was should unaccompanied women be afraid to travel to india.
I used the amount of tourist muggings in ireland as an example - if they were all publicized then we would have no tourism industry.

What? Tourists get mugged in every country the go to. It's not a story. If tourists were regularly getting gang raped in Ireland it would news all over the world.

Grayson

Precious flower wrote: »

God that video is scary. How can the chief of police and the leader of a religious order stand their and spout that? How can anyone think that that is okay? Does Islam really promote such behaviour? The men who raped that woman seemed to know it was wrong and said the community and Allah would disown them for it but yet the people the girl interviewed in top positions suggested otherwise. That whole "if you make the man's eyes wander he can basically do want he wants to you" is so disturbing. Clothing never comes into it (though all those women were fully covered, though in the policeman's view not enough) that even if you were wearing a burka, you would still get raped. I would be really terrified in a place like that.

I thought the reporter had balls of steel. She's an attractive woman walking amongst rapists. You could see she was worried on occasion and yet she still ploughed ahead.

Precious flower

Grayson wrote: »

I thought the reporter had balls of steel. She's an attractive woman walking amongst rapists. You could see she was worried on occasion and yet she still ploughed ahead.

I didn't say that. I said I would be frightened if I was on my own or even with a male companion in a place like that. I thought the reporter was very good, she certainty wasn't afraid to confront the police chief or with the religious leader. I don't know how she controlled herself from punching them in the face!:mad:

Precious flower

It's more disturbing too that she pointed out it was often wealthy, educated young men who attack these women which was most certainly the case with the Japanese women as I read one of the men was quite fluent in Japanese.

I have no desire to ever visit India even though I'd love to visit Asian countries like China, Japan, Thailand.

Most definitely not a fan of the Indian people I've met.

Grayson

Precious flower wrote: »

I didn't say that. I said I would be frightened if I was on my own or even with a male companion in a place like that. I thought the reporter was very good, she certainty wasn't afraid to confront the police chief or with the religious leader. I don't know how she controlled herself from punching them in the face!:mad:

I didn't mean that. I think you misinterpreted me. My comment had nothing to do with you. I honestly just thought that she was a very brave woman. What she did was incredibly daunting and she deserves a lot of credit.

UCDVet

I assumed she'd have known Karate. That's too bad

Teyla Emmagan

I have never been interested in visiting India (am convinced it would be too hot, smelly, full of poverty and noisy for my liking - and that I would be able to eat nothing over there), but all the stories that have come out in the last few years put it near the end of my to visit places. I don't want to go anywhere where my physical safety would be at risk because I am a woman. I don't want to visit any place that has such poor attitudes towards women. Or anywhere where daily violence towards women is so commonplace. If they are doing this to foreign tourists they are being much worse to their own.

I have worked with a few Indian guys over the years and although most of them are super easy going and friendly, I have met a few who really don't like to be told what to do by a woman. In a talk over you/ignore you completely sort of way. Irish men may have other problems with you, but I have met very few that took agin me just because of my sex.

For such a massive, secular and well educated democracy, they seem to have huge issues with how they treat women. Maybe such attitudes are much more prevalent in rural areas, but all this rape culture coverage has put me right off the place.

Precious flower

Grayson wrote: »

I didn't mean that. I think you misinterpreted me. My comment had nothing to do with you. I honestly just thought that she was a very brave woman. What she did was incredibly daunting and she deserves a lot of credit.

Oh apologises, I thought because you quoted me you disagreed with what I said. Sorry!:)

keithclancy

Going off the statistics, Southern Africa and North America are the two worst regions for reported sexual assaults:

http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/Crime-statistics/International_Statistics_on_Crime_and_Justice.pdf

Page 25

Although I would say Sexual Assault is not recorded or reported as much in India, in Ireland I would say there are many sexual assaults that occur that are never reported also.

In Europe you have instances like that nutter Joseph Fritz that kept a girl locked up for 25 years and repeatedly raped her.

Also, the population of India is 1.25 billion vs 740 million in Europe alone, the difference being if something happens in Belgium (Paedophile ring for example) then it in no way reflects on the Netherlands, France or Germany but if something happens in India the whole lot of India is tarred with it.

Of course there are bad parts of India in the Cities too, but there are areas in Europe that are bad as well,

happysunnydays

There is this romantic naïve notion that India is this spiritual place to discover your inner self, and all the baloney that goes with that. Maybe this was true decades ago .....but India today is dirty and dangerous, is not a safe tourist destination!

archer22

Trigger Happy wrote: »

India is a big country with lots of people. Rapes happen all over the world...but media focus is on India at the moment.
If every tourist who got robbed in ireland had international attention we would have no tourist industry.

Yes India is big but China is even bigger.Yet China has almost zero crimes against tourists and is regarded as one of the safest places in the world to visit.
So being a big country with lots of people isn't really and excuse.

steddyeddy

Travelling through Africa it always amazed me how many women travel alone. Fair play to them for doing it but some areas are not safe for women to travel alone in. Places such as India or the island of Zanzibar.

lanos

The difference between India and western rape stats is the high incidence of gang rape in India. Rapists in western nations operate alone and perhaps would not even know another
rapist. It seems that somebody in India gets the urge and all his mates are happy to join in. Clearly detection efforts and punishment is lacking in India.

steddyeddy

lanos wrote: »

The difference between India and western rape stats is the high incidence of gang rape in India. Rapists in western nations operate alone and perhaps would not even know another
rapist. It seems that somebody in India gets the urge and all his mates are happy to join in. Clearly detection efforts and punishment is lacking in India.

To be honest I think it's a symptom of the caste system. Some groups such as the untouchables are treated like crap over there and women are generally considered third class citizens.

My name is URL

lanos wrote: »

The difference between India and western rape stats is the high incidence of gang rape in India. Rapists in western nations operate alone and perhaps would not even know another
rapist. It seems that somebody in India gets the urge and all his mates are happy to join in. Clearly detection efforts and punishment is lacking in India.

For the most part perhaps, but there's no shortage of gang rapes in the western world. Up to 20% of rapes in the US are gang rapes. It just doesn't get much attention in the media for whatever reason.

There are varying data on the percentage of rapes in the United States that are gang rapes. A 2006 report from the National Institute of Justice based on the 1995-1996 National Violence Against Women Survey found that 21.8% of rapes of women and 16.7% of rapes of men in the United States are gang rapes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_the_United_States

Lia_lia

My Dad's wife was sexually assaulted in India, in front of my brother who was about 8 or 9 at the time. She had to fly back a few months after it happened for a court case. So these stories don't really surprise me!

Micky Dolenz

I've never been to India but I hope to some day.

Over 10 years ago, friends of mine had been there for 3 months, they are a couple and hardened travelers. But they did complain about the constant attention that she got, so much so it was a big issue.

lanos

My name is URL wrote: »

For the most part perhaps, but there's no shortage of gang rapes in the western world. Up to 20% of rapes in the US are gang rapes. It just doesn't get much attention in the media for whatever reason.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_the_United_States

Thanks for the stats
I think USA is a special case and the incidence of gang rape there is perpetrated by blacks against whites. Probably in revenge for slavery. I'll probably be savaged for this view.

My name is URL

lanos wrote: »

Thanks for the stats
I think USA is a special case and the incidence of gang rape there is perpetrated by blacks against whites. Probably in revenge for slavery. I'll probably be savaged for this view.

Well I don't know about motives but there's no denying it's perpetrated mostly by young black males.

Same thing applies in the UK

We tracked down 29 cases, from January 2006 to March 2009, in which a total of 92 young people were convicted of involvement in gang rape.

One fact stood out. Of those convicted, 66 were black or mixed race, 13 were white and the remainder were from other countries including Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/gang-rape-is-it-a-race-issue-1711381.html

Cathy.C

If the recent revelations regarding Rotherham are anything to go by, it would seem that this is far from a problem which is confined to Islamic countries but also unfortunately common place in some Muslim communities elsewhere in the world .

Nodin

Cathy.C wrote: »

If the recent revelations regarding Rotherham are anything to go by, it would seem that this is far from a problem which is confined to Islamic countries.

India isn't an Islamic country.

JONJO THE MISER

Why would anyone want to go to India in the first place, open running sewage in the cities etc

RobYourBuilder

My name is URL wrote:

Up to 20% of rapes in the US are gang rapes. It just doesn't get much attention in the media for whatever reason.

My name is URL wrote: »

Well I don't know about motives but there's no denying it's perpetrated mostly by young black males.

Probably answered your own question there.

Grayson

Cathy.C wrote: »

If the recent revelations regarding Rotherham are anything to go by, it would seem that this is far from a problem which is confined to Islamic countries but also unfortunately common place in come Muslim communities elsewhere in the world .

An those grooming circles in the UK aren't limited to muslims

maneno

That was hard to watch,poor women,:(

Grayson wrote: »

To be fair, even though it might happen everywhere it's worse in that part of the world. India does have a rapey culture. As does Pakistan and Bangladesh.

Here's a vice piece about Bangladesh where they talk to police, victims and even rapists. the prevailing attitude is that any woman who gets raped deserved/wanted it

RobYourBuilder

Grayson wrote: »

An those grooming circles in the UK aren't limited to muslims

Sure. But the number of Muslims(code word: Asians) involved in grooming gangs are vastly disproportionate to their population size.

A 2011 study by the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre looked at the 2,379 potential offenders caught grooming girls since 2008. Of 940 suspects whose race could be identified, 26% were Asian, 38% were white and 32% were recorded as unknown. Asians are roughly 7% of the population.

A report for the children's commissioner in 2012 found there were 1,514 perpetrators. Of these, 545 were white, 415 were Asian and 244 were black. The ethnicity of 21% of perpetrators was not recorded. Attempts to analyse the Asian figure further runs into problems. Just 35 of the 415 Asians are recorded as having Pakistani heritage and thus highly likely to be Muslim, and only five are recorded as being from a Bangladeshi background. The heritage of 366 of the Asian group is not stated in those figures.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/may/14/child-grooming-sexual-abuse-race

nokia69

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Why would anyone want to go to India in the first place, open running sewage in the cities etc

its an interesting country, but its like marmite

Baggy Trousers

nokia69 wrote: »

its an interesting country, but its like marmite

I like how you are comparing marmite to open sewers.

That Japanese woman is very lucky to be alive. India has a long way to go for sexual equality and seems to be making little progress.

biko

It scares the living hell out of me that some people can be so callous as to kidnap a person and keep them prisoner for their own pleasures.

How ****ed up in the head do you need to be to even consider doing it?

nokia69

Baggy Trousers wrote: »

I like how you are comparing marmite to open sewers.

That Japanese woman is very lucky to be alive. India has a long way to go for sexual equality and seems to be making little progress.

no I'm comparing India to marmite

people go to India and the either love it or hate it, there seems to be no middle ground

I don't know if the Japanese woman likes marmite, but I bet she hates India

jimboblep

Nodin wrote: »

India isn't an Islamic country.

If you read her post she acknowledges that fact, she goes on to say is it an issue within the muslim communities in non muslim countries.
also india does have a sizable muslim population 180 million approx.

Fratton Fred

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I have no desire to ever visit India even though I'd love to visit Asian countries like China, Japan, Thailand.

Most definitely not a fan of the Indian people I've met.

Your loss then. I've only been to one Indian city, but I found Indians to be incredibly welcoming.

I'm not a young single female though.

Meangadh

Yeah I have to say I'd have no interest in ever going to India. I'm sure there are plenty of lovely people there and amazing places to see, but given the poverty, overcrowding and treatment of women there- I'd happily give it a miss. It's a big world, plenty other places for me to see where I'm not worried travelling around as a woman.

Cathy.C

Nodin wrote: »

India isn't an Islamic country.

I think you know the point which I was making but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and clarify it for you..

Many users made comments suggesting that because of how some Muslim men in India treat women they would never ever go there. My comment was highlighting how that in and of itself wouldn't mean all that much and certainly wouldn't result in an absolute avoidance of such men as there are in fact many Muslim men behaving in quite similar ways within Muslim communities which are not all synonymous with Islam (in this case: the UK).

Yes you're correct, India is not an Islamic country but there are more Muslims in India than there are in almost any other country in the world (with the obvious exception of Pakistan and Indonesia) and so pointing out that India isn't an Islamic country is pretty pointless pedanticismto be fair, as it in no way negates the point which I was making.

John_Rambo

I've traveled around India, it's incomprehensibly massive compared to our country and their cities are insanely big compared to European cities. 99% of Indian's I came across were good people, there's a lot of backward thinking, male dominated hinterland with a dubious thinking law and justice system

Speaking off, in our comparable tiny country, we had a Swiss girl tragically raped and murdered in Galway after only arriving three days earlier by a native who'd already killed a young Tip man after being released early from prison!

He'd previously blinded an elderly man. No doubt this character was out and about due to a perfect justice and law system, he's half way through his sentence now and will most likely be out in seven years time. According to the experts, he will do it again.

Intensive Care Bear

A few years ago my ex travelled around India on her own, every day she was constantly harassed by men, gangs of blokes would follow her taking pictures and trying to grab her, the fact she had blonde hair and pale skin made them flock to her.

lanos

John_Rambo wrote: »

Speaking off, in our comparable tiny country, we had a Swiss girl tragically raped and murdered in Galway after only arriving three days earlier by a native who'd already killed a young Tip man after being released early from prison!

There are bad apples in every country
however, there is not a gang rape CULTURE in most countries

sorry for generalising here
Ireland has a drinking culture
France has a café culture
Australia has a beach culture
Nigeria has a scam culture
USA has no culture
India has a gang rape culture

This is not a crime you can blame on poverty, like theft for example.
This is a the result of a sick patriarchal society.
and as long as it is tolerated in india, I will be encouraging my nieces to never date
an indian man regardless of how nice he seems. he might be fine, but the risk is too
great that he will regard women with lesser status. it seems to be ingrained in the psyche.

Venus In Furs

I don't see the point in the whataboutery.
Yes there have been horrible rape cases in Ireland, like anywhere - a country without rape occurring would be an impossible utopia unfortunately.

I am still glad and grateful as fuq that I'm a woman in Ireland rather than a woman in a lot of places in India though.

Would maybe go solo but would never take the girlfriend there.. And it's below a lot of countries on my bucket list anyway. Rapes are one thing but gang rapes just say "we are a sick people".