Runners Support Group Facebook page

Chivito550

Only came across this the other day. Had not been aware of its existence until then. Is this the sad road running is going down these days? That everyone's a winner.

ultraman1

Chivito550 wrote: »

Only came across this the other day. Had not been aware of its existence until then. Is this the sad road running is going down these days? That everyone's a winner.

Joggers do it better...

RayCun

There is always a split between those who run to compete and those who run to keep fit, don't think they can compete, and are happy to just keep running.
Encouraging people to improve and set themselves goals is a good way to move them from the second group to the first.

ultraman1

RayCun wrote: »

There is always a split between those who run to compete and those who run to keep fit, don't think they can compete, and are happy to just keep running.
Encouraging people to improve and set themselves goals is a good way to move them from the second group to the first.

if u encourage them to improve u get focked off the page,,most of them will probably join mci ..

average_runner

Does it really matter. Once people are active it's all good. Attitude like this to something different, turns people away from running.

I remember about ten years I tried to join a south Dublin club and got told to get lost. Nearly gave it all up then. A few years later I tried another club, still with that club and full of great people.

RayCun

ultraman1 wrote: »

if u encourage them to improve u get focked off the page,,most of them will probably join mci ..

I'm sure lots of the people posting on that page do parkruns, races, maybe read this forum too, so there are other ways to reach them...

ultraman1

RayCun wrote: »

, so there are other ways to reach them...

Hipfockinosis maybe...

Chivito550

average_runner wrote: »

Does it really matter. Once people are active it's all good. Attitude like this to something different, turns people away from running.

I remember about ten years I tried to join a south Dublin club and got told to get lost. Nearly gave it all up then. A few years later I tried another club, still with that club and full of great people.

Different era perhaps. Not like that now.
http://www.dsdac.com/adult-meet-train

I saw a lot of people running the Dublin Marathon in the club singlet in times around the 4 hour mark. So plenty of slow runners around.

robinph

Chivito550 wrote: »

Different era perhaps. Not like that now.
http://www.dsdac.com/adult-meet-train

I saw a lot of people running the Dublin Marathon in the club singlet in times around the 4 hour mark. So plenty of slow runners around.

FYP.

The attitudes in clubs is changing and they are way more inclusive these days. Hate Brendan Foster when he commentating on London Marathon though and talks about the slow club runners coming in at the sub 3hr mark. Only a very small percentage of runners in any club are doing sub 3hr times.

Chivito550

robinph wrote: »

FYP.

The attitudes in clubs is changing and they are way more inclusive these days. Hate Brendan Foster when he commentating on London Marathon though and talks about the slow club runners coming in at the sub 3hr mark. Only a very small percentage of runners in any club are doing sub 3hr times.

It's all relative. He commentates on guys running 2:02-2:10, so of course 2:59 is really slow by comparison.

Mind you, I doubt he could manage a 5:59 in his current shape.

PVincent

I got thrown off that Facebook page over a year ago , because I just happened to mention that Transferring of Race numbers for the Marathon was illegal. The abuse I got was incredible .

menoscemo

PVincent wrote: »

I got thrown off that Facebook page over a year ago , because I just happened to mention that Transferring of Race numbers for the Marathon was illegal. The abuse I got was incredible .

It's totally crazy. It's just a place where a bunch of happy clappy new runners high five each other and say they are all great.
There were a few comments last night on a thread (nothing offensive) going against the grain and suggesting ways to improve time. This morning the thread is gone!! It's like a dictatorship of silliness. Say anything sensible and you get banned.

eviltwin

I'm a member of RSP. Its primarily a social network for runners, a lot have met up and made new contacts that way, its also a great site for asking questions about anything, lots of heads up on events, there are regular live chats with various people about everything from running form to nutrition. Its a massive credit to the admins who do all this for free and in their own time and personally its been a huge help to me. Yes it welcomes people of all abilities but where is the harm with that? If you don't like it, don't join it. Its really as simple as that. One of the reasons I joined was because I found the attitude here on the Boards pages so negative.

RayCun

Have you tried joining a club?
You will make new contacts, have great opportunities for asking questions, find out about events, get to talk to people about everything from running form to nutrition, and all abilities are welcomed.
Plus you will get to train with people who are better than you, learn directly from people more experienced than you, and find regular running partners of the same level as you.

average_runner

eviltwin wrote: »

I'm a member of RSP. Its primarily a social network for runners, a lot have met up and made new contacts that way, its also a great site for asking questions about anything, lots of heads up on events, there are regular live chats with various people about everything from running form to nutrition. Its a massive credit to the admins who do all this for free and in their own time and personally its been a huge help to me. Yes it welcomes people of all abilities but where is the harm with that? If you don't like it, don't join it. Its really as simple as that. One of the reasons I joined was because I found the attitude here on the Boards pages so negative.

I would say the opposite of boards. It's full of people from every level that is willing to help and encourage you.

Ososlo

eviltwin wrote: »

I'm a member of RSP. Its primarily a social network for runners, a lot have met up and made new contacts that way, its also a great site for asking questions about anything, lots of heads up on events, there are regular live chats with various people about everything from running form to nutrition. Its a massive credit to the admins who do all this for free and in their own time and personally its been a huge help to me. Yes it welcomes people of all abilities but where is the harm with that? If you don't like it, don't join it. Its really as simple as that. One of the reasons I joined was because I found the attitude here on the Boards pages so negative.

I'd genuinely love to know why you feel that way? From my own personal experiences I couldn't disagree with you more and I'm coming from the slower end of the spectrum.

eviltwin

RayCun wrote: »

Have you tried joining a club?
You will make new contacts, have great opportunities for asking questions, find out about events, get to talk to people about everything from running form to nutrition, and all abilities are welcomed.
Plus you will get to train with people who are better than you, learn directly from people more experienced than you, and find regular running partners of the same level as you.

I don't personally want to join a club. I'm happier running solo. I just like that there is a place I can go to ask questions.

adrian522

eviltwin wrote: »

I'm a member of RSP. Its primarily a social network for runners, a lot have met up and made new contacts that way, its also a great site for asking questions about anything, lots of heads up on events, there are regular live chats with various people about everything from running form to nutrition. Its a massive credit to the admins who do all this for free and in their own time and personally its been a huge help to me. Yes it welcomes people of all abilities but where is the harm with that? If you don't like it, don't join it. Its really as simple as that. One of the reasons I joined was because I found the attitude here on the Boards pages so negative.

No harm in that whatsoever and no one has questioned this aspect of it. Boards and pretty much any running club would be the same in this regard.

menoscemo

eviltwin wrote: »

I'm a member of RSP. Its primarily a social network for runners, a lot have met up and made new contacts that way, its also a great site for asking questions about anything, lots of heads up on events, there are regular live chats with various people about everything from running form to nutrition. Its a massive credit to the admins who do all this for free and in their own time and personally its been a huge help to me. Yes it welcomes people of all abilities but where is the harm with that? If you don't like it, don't join it. Its really as simple as that. One of the reasons I joined was because I found the attitude here on the Boards pages so negative.

Negative? The Problem with RSP is that the advice is so positive, you're doing great etc; even when you are not.
Sometimes the best advice is the advice you might not want to hear.

I've only seen one or two threads on RSP asking for training or techinical advice; and frankly the advice given was shocking. The only nuggets of wisdom were completely lost in all the noise. It's easy to see why any of the more knowledgeable posters on there would tend to just keep their mouths shut. From what I see if you give any sensible advice going against the 'noise' you are either told to be quiet by an Admin or are banned from the page. That's not a very productive environment.

RayCun

eviltwin wrote: »

I don't personally want to join a club. I'm happier running solo. I just like that there is a place I can go to ask questions.

Not to put you on the spot, but I was in more or less the same place a few years ago. I trained for a marathon myself, I followed that with a 5k training plan from a book, I came here for advice and I didn't see any need or point in joining a club.
But when I did join a club, I found that running sessions a group was more effective, and more fun, than running them on my own, and that I learned more from running with other people regularly than from just asking questions online. Meeting people from boards at and after races is great, but being part of a big club group at a race is even better.

TRR_the_turd

Here's a fcuking idea. If you think it's a load of crap, avoid it!

Maybe they will start up a club. I can think of another virtual group of runners who went on to start a club! A lot of the same things levelled at that RSP page have been levelled at posters here. Oh the irony!

average_runner

eviltwin wrote: »

I don't personally want to join a club. I'm happier running solo. I just like that there is a place I can go to ask questions.

There is no need to join a club if ur happy running around and no interest in times for yourself.

If you do want to improve, then the club is the place. A session on ur own, u will think your giving a 100% but with a club u will as u be chasing someone or getting chased.

Each to your own and do what your happy with. But don't take bad advice from anywhere.

average_runner

eviltwin wrote: »

I don't personally want to join a club. I'm happier running solo. I just like that there is a place I can go to ask questions.

There is no need to join a club if ur happy running around and no interest in times for yourself.

If you do want to improve, then the club is the place. A session on ur own, u will think your giving a 100% but with a club u will as u be chasing someone or getting chased.

Each to your own and do what your happy with. But don't take bad advice from anywhere.

rom

The main benefit of a club over social media is that you know that the source is good or not. If you get advise on how to improve your times from a sub 70 min 1/2 guy or 2 hour half guy you will give the former more weight. If I see advice on here then I usually check the persons training log or events they have posted in to see what level they are at so I can see if the advice is something that I should factor in as they have experience or not. You can do the same on facebook. If you see someone posting advice on how to run a good time and then just put their name into http://athlinks.com/ and you see that they are racing like much slower times then you will give that advice a wide berth. Filtering out the noise be is boards, FB or another site is very important as bad advice can be costly.

The same argument could also hold true in respect to this forum re backslapping and poor advice. At the end of the day more people out running is a good thing. Some may want to get faster and try and find a better knowledge source. The FB group in question clearly is towards a different audience and I agree with TRR.

Chivito550

eviltwin wrote: »

I'm a member of RSP. Its primarily a social network for runners, a lot have met up and made new contacts that way, its also a great site for asking questions about anything, lots of heads up on events, there are regular live chats with various people about everything from running form to nutrition. Its a massive credit to the admins who do all this for free and in their own time and personally its been a huge help to me. Yes it welcomes people of all abilities but where is the harm with that? If you don't like it, don't join it. Its really as simple as that. One of the reasons I joined was because I found the attitude here on the Boards pages so negative.

That group is not good for asking for advice. It is probably the worst place any new runner could ask for advice as virtually none of them know what they are talking about. I don't think taking advice from 5 hour marathon runners is particularly smart.

Ososlo

average_runner wrote: »

There is no need to join a club if ur happy running around and no interest in times for yourself.

So anyone who is not in a club is just happy 'running around' and has 'no interest in times' for themselves:rolleyes: sorry but that's bs

average_runner

rom wrote: »

The main benefit of a club over social media is that you know that the source is good or not. If you get advise on how to improve your times from a sub 70 min 1/2 guy or 2 hour half guy you will give the former more weight. If I see advice on here then I usually check the persons training log or events they have posted in to see what level they are at so I can see if the advice is something that I should factor in as they have experience or not. You can do the same on facebook. If you see someone posting advice on how to run a good time and then just put their name into http://athlinks.com/ and you see that they are racing like much slower times then you will give that advice a wide berth. Filtering out the noise be is boards, FB or another site is very important as bad advice can be costly.

The same argument could also hold true in respect to this forum re backslapping and poor advice. At the end of the day more people out running is a good thing. Some may want to get faster and try and find a better knowledge source. The FB group in question clearly is towards a different audience and I agree with TRR.

A good coach is not necessary a fast runner, could be an average runner.

I had a great tennis coach as a teenager but I could always beat him.

adrian522

Ososlo wrote: »

So anyone who is not in a club is just happy 'running around' and has 'no interest in times' for themselves:rolleyes: sorry but that's bs

In fairness I don;t think that's what he said. He said if you have no interest in improved times there is no reason to join a club. He didn't say everyone not in a club has no interest in improving.

How I read it anyway.

Chivito550

average_runner wrote: »

A good coach is not necessary a fast runner, could be an average runner.

I had a great tennis coach as a teenager but I could always beat him.

Yes, but a great coach who was not a great runner is likely to be a great student of the sport, built up through years of experience of working with runners. Their opinions are greatly respected, and they have coaching qualifications to go with this. Hardly the same as some 5 hour guy giving advice to a newbie.

average_runner

Ososlo wrote: »

So anyone who is not in a club is just happy 'running around' and has 'no interest in times' for themselves:rolleyes: sorry but that's bs

I am basically saying do what u enjoy the most, but the best place to improve is to train in proper environment

average_runner

Chivito550 wrote: »

Yes, but a great coach who was not a great runner is likely to be a great student of the sport, built up through years of experience of working with runners. Their opinions are greatly respected, and they have coaching qualifications to go with this. Hardly the same as some 5 hour guy giving advice to a newbie.

5 hour guy could have the qualifications also and be a good coach.

Chivito550

average_runner wrote: »

5 hour guy could have the qualifications also and be a good coach.

Sure

adrian522

rom wrote: »

The main benefit of a club over social media is that you know that the source is good or not. If you get advise on how to improve your times from a sub 70 min 1/2 guy or 2 hour half guy you will give the former more weight. If I see advice on here then I usually check the persons training log or events they have posted in to see what level they are at so I can see if the advice is something that I should factor in as they have experience or not. You can do the same on facebook. If you see someone posting advice on how to run a good time and then just put their name into http://athlinks.com/ and you see that they are racing like much slower times then you will give that advice a wide berth. Filtering out the noise be is boards, FB or another site is very important as bad advice can be costly.

The same argument could also hold true in respect to this forum re backslapping and poor advice. At the end of the day more people out running is a good thing. Some may want to get faster and try and find a better knowledge source. The FB group in question clearly is towards a different audience and I agree with TRR.

That link isn't exactly reliable. It has me down as having run 2:02:23 in DCM 2013. Where do I pick up my winners cheque and World Record to boot?

Chivito550

adrian522 wrote: »

That link isn't exactly reliable. It has me down as having run 2:02:23 in DCM 2013. Where do I pick up my winners cheque and World Record to boot?

Yes, and a search for Usain Bolt shows some unusual adventures into the world of Irish fun running. Nothing comes up for Kirani James or Brian Gregan so that link is fairly useless for anybody who'd like to run track. But who needs to be relying on such things when you can just join a club and take advantage of the knowledgeable advice within.

average_runner

Chivito550 wrote: »

Sure

U don't agree?

My friends coach is a weight lifter, yet he has coach my friend to sub 2:40 marathon in Dublin, a few over 35 national titles.

dublin runner

My view is that it's each to their own. Personally if devoted time to a sport/hobby like running I would want to surround myself with the best possible advice/coaches and simply aim to do the very best I possibly can. I want to squeeze every last bit of potential out of my body before it gives up. That's the way I view running. That page is not for me because it gives bad advice hence why I avoid it but as I said each to their own.

I said it before I hate how some people view clubs and people who want to run 'fast' times. I am sick of being called elitist or whatever. My PB is some 46 minutes off the world record marathon time. Elitist my a$$!

tunguska

dublin runner wrote: »

I said it before I hate how some people view clubs and people who want to run 'fast' times. I am sick of being called elitist or whatever. My PB is some 46 minutes off the world record marathon time. Elitist my a$$!

I think people who throw around the elitist tag are saying more about their own insecurities than anything else......

gerard_65

tunguska wrote: »

I think people who throw around the elitist tag are saying more about their own insecurities than anything else......

That's a very elitist comment:pac:

tunney

eviltwin wrote: »

I'm a member of RSP. Its primarily a social network for runners, a lot have met up and made new contacts that way, its also a great site for asking questions about anything, lots of heads up on events, there are regular live chats with various people about everything from running form to nutrition. Its a massive credit to the admins who do all this for free and in their own time and personally its been a huge help to me. Yes it welcomes people of all abilities but where is the harm with that? If you don't like it, don't join it. Its really as simple as that. One of the reasons I joined was because I found the attitude here on the Boards pages so negative.

You know the really really bad people that go on x factor and everyone cringes and says "why didnt anyone tell them? Why didn't anyone give them a dose of reality?"

You say negativity, others would say realism.

rom

average_runner wrote: »

U don't agree?

My friends coach is a weight lifter, yet he has coach my friend to sub 2:40 marathon in Dublin, a few over 35 national titles.

There are always going to be exceptions but its a good rule of thumb that has served me well. I do think Br. Colm would be the best example but these people are as rare as hens teeth.

As for the link you never base it on a single result but many

TRR_the_turd

tunney wrote: »

You know the really really bad people that go on x factor and everyone cringes and says "why didnt anyone tell them? Why didn't anyone give them a dose of reality?"

You say negativity, others would say realism.

Touché! I stopped reading your log for the very same reason!

Netwerk Errer

eviltwin wrote: »

. One of the reasons I joined was because I found the attitude here on the Boards pages so negative.

I think you are misinterpreting constructive criticism for negativity. Sometimes, It's the comments you don't want to hear that hold the most truth and valuable content.

This forum is full of experienced runners who have made all the common mistakes of beginners and beyond and learned from that. You will always find that people with experience in any form of life will look at your long-term development and start with the foundations for building towards your future and teach you how to do things right from the very start.

It's not practice that makes you better if you practice in the wrong way. It's perfect practice that leads to the best results. And I for one, would rather give the best advice I can and risk hurting a person's feeling's than stand idly by and watch them make the same mistakes over and over. I feel this forum as a collective has a similar attitude that is in the best interest of the posters here.

rom

adrian522 wrote: »

That link isn't exactly reliable. It has me down as having run 2:02:23 in DCM 2013. Where do I pick up my winners cheque and World Record to boot?

Nah the link is reliable it is just you don't recognize your own race times.

Race series half is listed as DCM clearly

adrian522

I recognize my own times, it lists the same time for the half and the full marathon. The website is incorrect.

baza1976

rom wrote: »

. If you see someone posting advice on how to run a good time and then just put their name into http://athlinks.com/

anyone else notice that the limerick marathon 2010 (first one) doesn't show up on that link? That was one of my best marathons:(

Edit: Actually, half the marathons I've done are not there. And none of my 5ks

average_runner

baza1976 wrote: »

anyone else notice that the limerick marathon 2010 (first one) doesn't show up on that link? That was one of my best marathons:(

Edit: Actually, half the marathons I've done are not there. And none of my 5ks

It has me down for a 43:43 for a 5k. All my times that were good are way off on that

Chivito550

One of the most astonishing posts I have come across. Think this sums up the insanity that the fun running culture has instilled in some people:

Came across this on RSP. I feel like crying!
Top 10 Irish Runners of All time (IMO)
10. Sonia O'Sullivan
9. Tony Mangan
8. Gary O"Hanlon
7. David Gillick (loved him on Masterchef)
6. That guy who wins the 24 hr race in Belfast a lot (can't remember name but amazing
5. Derval O' Rourke
4. The guy who ran the 32 marathon WR w/ Gerry Duffy
3. Sean Herir
2. Gerry Duffy
1. Finnoula Britton
What do you guys think?

dublin runner

Chivito550 wrote: »

One of the most astonishing posts I have come across. Think this sums up the insanity that the fun running culture has instilled in some people:

Surely that's a troll? ('The guy who ran the 32 marathon WR w/ Gerry Duffy' should be No.1 obviously )

robinph

baza1976 wrote: »

anyone else notice that the limerick marathon 2010 (first one) doesn't show up on that link? That was one of my best marathons:(

Edit: Actually, half the marathons I've done are not there. And none of my 5ks

That's because no one has submitted those details to the site. Most of the stuff is US based on athlinks and they don't automagically parse race results like you get from the likes of RunBritain and parkrun results for instance. You have to send them the links to the race results a lot of the time before they will appear. I've occasionally submitted results, but it became too tedious with the number of races I do that don't appear from other people having submitted them.

bucketybuck

I used to be on that group but eventually just deleted myself from it, just a constant parade of useless backslapping posts that got very annoying very fast. There was practically no useful advice, which I thought would have been the main benefit of connecting with other runners. More fool me I guess.

rom

Chivito550 wrote: »

One of the most astonishing posts I have come across. Think this sums up the insanity that the fun running culture has instilled in some people:

Sonia should have done masterchef. :rolleyes: