Bike parking at Lansdowne Road DART station?

eclectichoney

Hi guys
Was wondering if there is anywhere to lock a bike at Lansdowne road DART station? Doesn't seem to be listed anywhere on the irish rail website. Thanks!

LXFlyer

Per http://www.irishrail.ie/travel-information/lansdowne-road there are no bike parking facilities.

eclectichoney

Thanks Ixflyer - Don't know how I missed that, sorry!

DrMike

This is not the only DART/Commuter line station where there is zero provision by Irish Rail or the local authorities for secure and user-friendly bike parking. Sydney Parade is a perfect example.

Cyclist.ie - The Irish Cycling Advocacy Network - has a 'bike provision on public transport' working group. We find that Irish Rail is a dinosaur in relation to what its opposite number in Denmark is doing to enhance inter-modality. We feel that local authorities and the National Transport Authority (NTA) have a role to play in working with IR to solve the problem simply beacuse IR may not have the space to fit bike parking hoops.

Go to our web-site to make contact with us.

stop

Worth noting that on match days any bikes chained to street signs, fences etc around this station will have locks cut and be removed by Gardai.
Also, don't lock a bike to these things outside the Aviva, chances are your bike would be removed from them also.

Carawaystick

stop wrote: »

Worth noting that on match days any bikes chained to street signs, fences etc around this station will have locks cut and be removed by Gardai.
Also, don't lock a bike to these things outside the Aviva, chances are your bike would be removed from them also.

What's the legal basis for cutting locks?

stop

Carawaystick wrote: »

What's the legal basis for cutting locks?

On the street - no clue, you'd have to ask the Gardai. They put up warning signs ahead of matches.

hfallada

Carawaystick wrote: »

What's the legal basis for cutting locks?

Maybe because they are blocking doors labelled emergency exit? People safety is more important than a bike lock

Pawwed Rig

Strange one though as there is plenty of space around Lansdowne Road for bicycles. You would imagine that some people would even cycle to matches

L1011

There's a resistance abroad to providing cycling facilities at stadia due to drink being sold there - although its more than a bit illogical; pubs are allowed have car parks for instance.

monument

With cycling now at 10%+ modal share overall in Dublin City and around the same in northren areas of Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown, it's about time large-scale and guarded bicycle parking started to be provided for at/near venues of all large events (matches, conferences, concerts etc).

It could be temporary parking guarded just for a short time before and after the events -- there's space which could be made available for this use at or around Lansdowne Road, the Royal Hospital, the Point etc.

stop wrote: »

Also, don't lock a bike to these things outside the Aviva,

hfallada wrote: »

Maybe because they are blocking doors labelled emergency exit? People safety is more important than a bike lock

Maybe the bicycle racks should be removed from said emergency exits.

Alun

monument wrote: »

Maybe the bicycle racks should be removed from said emergency exits.

Who said they actually were bicycle racks?? They could be something else entirely seeing as they appear to be placed only at those exits.

Pawwed Rig

Alun wrote: »

Who said they actually were bicycle racks?? They could be something else entirely seeing as they appear to be placed only at those exits.

They are crowd control bars. I assume the previous poster was joking though

ProudDUB

L1011 wrote: »

There's a resistance abroad to providing cycling facilities at stadia due to drink being sold there - although its more than a bit illogical; pubs are allowed have car parks for instance.

Yeah, but a lot of the people who drive their car to a pub and park there, may very well be the non drinking, designated driver for 3-4 other people who are drinking. If you are on a bike, you don't have your own designated driver.

Pawwed Rig

ProudDUB wrote: »

Yeah, but one person in a car can be the non drinking, designated driver for 3-4 other people who are drinking. That is not the case for someone on a bike.

I rarely if ever drink when I am in a stadium. So I would imagine a cyclist could choose not to drink too. I think the drinking part is a cop out tbh. I would say it is more that the stadium have not thought about it and there is no demand. The DART station (and all DART stations) should accomodate bikes though

stop

Perhaps in the stadium context no bicycle racks are provided as the roads around it are closed to traffic (thus technically pedestrianised?).

I've cycled down a few times, dismounting at the Garda barrier before getting back on and continuing at a slow pace around the crowd, never had any hassle from Gardai encountered though.

stop

monument wrote: »

With cycling now at 10%+ modal share overall in Dublin City and around the same in northren areas of Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown, it's about time large-scale and guarded bicycle parking started to be provided for at/near venues of all large events (matches, conferences, concerts etc).

It could be temporary parking guarded just for a short time before and after the events -- there's space which could be made available for this use at or around Lansdowne Road, the Royal Hospital, the Point etc.





Maybe the bicycle racks should be removed from said emergency exits.

Not sure if that was in jest, but the view I linked to actually shows the barriers which are outside every emergency exit, not sure on their exact function, but they are definitely not bike racks, despite their appearance!

Spook_ie

stop wrote: »

Not sure if that was in jest, but the view I linked to actually shows the barriers which are outside every emergency exit, not sure on their exact function, but they are definitely not bike racks, despite their appearance!

They look like something to prevent exit doors opening too far and trapping people against the wall, probably should have just used an uprightpole rather than being arty if that's the case

ezra_pound

Why aren't cyclists more vocal about the need for safe parking in Dublin, especially in the city centre? At least there are plans being made for cycle lanes and green ways but nothing for parking.

It's the easiest piece of infrastructure to solve as well because you can just convert the lower floor of most car parks in city centre to bike racks.

Is any lobby group pushing for this?

LXFlyer

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

I rarely if ever drink when I am in a stadium. So I would imagine a cyclist could choose not to drink too. I think the drinking part is a cop out tbh. I would say it is more that the stadium have not thought about it and there is no demand. The DART station (and all DART stations) should accomodate bikes though

That's easier said than done in certain locations.


There isn't really any space to provide that facility within Lansdowne Road station.


The inner stations on the southside DART all suffer from the same problem, which is that they are right up against the road, leaving no space for developing parking facilities for bikes or cars.

Pawwed Rig

They could put it near the recycle bins. They will find a way if they want to do it.

L1011

ProudDUB wrote: »

Yeah, but a lot of the people who drive their car to a pub and park there, may very well be the non drinking, designated driver for 3-4 other people who are drinking. If you are on a bike, you don't have your own designated driver.

There's far more people going to a stadium with no intent (or possibility, for most football matches) of drinking in the first place, though.

Spook_ie

L1011 wrote: »

There's far more people going to a stadium with no intent (or possibility, for most football matches) of drinking in the first place, though.

With regard to the Aviva Stadium ( seeing as the op is about Lansdown Rd )


http://www.avivastadium.ie/stadium-info

69 kiosks/bars

660 linear meters of serving counters in bars and concessionaires

620 linear meters of beer line run

1,000 kegs & capacity to serve 90,000 pints

L1011

Spook_ie wrote: »

With regard to the Aviva Stadium ( seeing as the op is about Lansdown Rd )


http://www.avivastadium.ie/stadium-info

All not turned on for UEFA-regulated football games, though.

Even the FAI Cup Final only opens the bars in Premium, not the normal levels.

monument

stop wrote: »

Not sure if that was in jest, but the view I linked to actually shows the barriers which are outside every emergency exit, not sure on their exact function, but they are definitely not bike racks, despite their appearance!

Alun wrote: »

Who said they actually were bicycle racks?? They could be something else entirely seeing as they appear to be placed only at those exits.

Nobody manufactures P stands to accommodate a strange design of fire doors. They are manufactured as bicycle stands, here's a very similar design:

...

Cycle Stands & Racks / Stainless Steel /



P Stand
CodeYPL597
These are part of our bespoke range made to order in a variety of tube sizes. YPL can offer a full design and manufacture service for the more specific requirements. The stand shown is made in Grade 304 stainless with 48.3mm outside diameter tube. The P stand can also be manufacture from grade 316 stainless steel. A base frame is made for ease of installation. Any finish is offered from Zirconium (shown) or Omega.

Please contact our sales team for a quotation.

YPL Street Furniture can manufacture our products to your specification. Please contact us to discuss your specific requirements

LXFlyer

I'm pretty sure in this specific example they are not designed to be used as bike stands.

The positioning is such that they are aligned with the exit doors - probably to be used with the doors tethered to them when people are exiting or as a crowd control measure.

No one in their right mind would locate bicycle racks in those specific locations.

Spook_ie

lxflyer wrote: »

I'm pretty sure in this specific example they are not designed to be used as bike stands.

The positioning is such that they are aligned with the exit doors - probably to be used with the doors tethered to them when people are exiting or as a crowd control measure.

No one in their right mind would locate bicycle racks in those specific locations.

Have to agree the positioning of them is as obvious doorstops NOT bike racks, there are 3 per set of doors, attaching bicycles to them would obviously block the emergency exits

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.3342895,-6.2276937,3a,15y,2.43h,84.99t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1saf8nvw-1266CZuCh3tXI1g!2e0!3e5

monument

lxflyer wrote: »

I'm pretty sure in this specific example they are not designed to be used as bike stands.

The positioning is such that they are aligned with the exit doors - probably to be used with the doors tethered to them when people are exiting or as a crowd control measure.

No one in their right mind would locate bicycle racks in those specific locations.

It's not about people being in their right mind or not -- a large amount of people often go about their day being oblivious to half the things around them. It does not help when actual bicycle racks are placed where they should not be.





Just like nobody in the US ever parks beside big yellow fire hydrants where the large kerb is also painted bright yellow.

People will be silly no matter what mode of transport they take. It's not a dig at cars users -- Danish authorities in some locations find it hard to keep emergency exits at metro stations clear of bicycles (wheel locks, kick stands) even with signs and markings. Same thing happens with staff blocking the inside of exits with stock / storage stuff etc.

LXFlyer

But in this specific case, these poles are not designed to be bike racks - so I'm not sure what your point is?

I have been very careful in each of my posts to reference the specific circumstances of this situation.

monument

lxflyer wrote: »

But in this specific case, these poles are not designed to be bike racks - so I'm not sure what your point is?

I have been very careful in each of my posts to reference the specific circumstances of this situation.

In street furniture terms it's like using a bench as a doorstop for a larger door and expect nobody to sit on the bench.

LXFlyer

monument wrote: »

In street furniture terms it's like using a bench as a doorstop for a larger door and expect nobody to sit on the bench.

It's getting difficult to take you seriously with these sort of posts.

As a moderator you really ought to know better.

monument

lxflyer wrote: »

It's getting difficult to take you seriously with these sort of posts.

As a moderator you really ought to know better.

As a long time use of C&T you should know better than personalising it or talking about modration.

We'll agree to disagree.

LXFlyer

monument wrote: »

As a long time use of C&T you should know better than personalising it or talking about modration.

We'll agree to disagree.

It's your blind insistence that these poles in this instance could be viewed as bicycle racks that I have a problem with - they clearly aren't, and the obstinate refusal of any your posts to accept this is just childish.

I am much in favour of providing cycle facilities as anyone else, but if you are going to just continue pretending that the poles in this specific instance are bike racks, then as I say it's difficult to take your posts seriously.

monument

lxflyer wrote: »

It's your blind insistence that these poles in this instance could be viewed as bicycle racks that I have a problem with - they clearly aren't, and the obstinate refusal of any your posts to accept this is just childish.

They clearly are bicycle racks which are being used for a different purpose. It's quite a daft design to buy bicycle racks and put them where you don't want bicycles to be parked.

It has already been pointed out that fire doors are places where some people store things and where people park cars, so it's not at all a stretch to think a bicycle will be placed on a bicycle stand (just because the builders saw it fit to use bicycle stands for a different use).

lxflyer wrote: »

I am much in favour of providing cycle facilities as anyone else, but if you are going to just continue pretending that the poles in this specific instance are bike racks, then as I say it's difficult to take your posts seriously.

They are likely manufactured as bicycle stands, yes, and also being misused as poorly designed doorstops. I've no problem admitting that the building designers and building owners do not intend them to be used as bicycle racks. I would not park there and I would not recommend parking there, but in a world where we get illegal car parking on front of fire exits, then it's likely you'll get bicycle parked on bicycle stands miss-used as door stops.

stop

To be honest they look much taller than any bike rack I've seen used in this country.