All inclusive

WhiteWalls

If one added together the people on jobsbridge and the people who were forced to emigrate and combined this with the people on the live register, what sort of a figure would it be?

BoJack Horseman

WhiteWalls wrote: »

If one added together the people on jobsbridge and the people who were forced to emigrate and combined this with the people on the live register, what sort of a figure would it be?

If only there was a way of finding this out yourself?

Live register is around 360k...
Jobsbridge is 7-ish thousand.
Net emigration is about 30k per annum (the reasons for same are harder to assertion)

WhiteWalls

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

If only there was a way of finding this out yourself?

Live register is around 360k...
Jobsbridge is 7-ish thousand.
Net emigration is about 30k per annum (the reasons for same are harder to assertion)

Could one conservatively say that 100k people have left these shores to find work? Thanks for your reply

BoJack Horseman

WhiteWalls wrote: »

Could one conservatively say that 100k people have left these shores to find work? Thanks for your reply

Easily.

However comparing it to those returning & then the actual motivations for leaving are trickier.

We know at least that most emigrants leave jobs to emigrate.

Geuze

WhiteWalls wrote: »

If one added together the people on jobsbridge and the people who were forced to emigrate and combined this with the people on the live register, what sort of a figure would it be?

Please note that many emigrants leave jobs behind.

i.e. they were EMPLOYED before they left

Geuze

WhiteWalls wrote: »

Could one conservatively say that 100k people have left these shores to find work? Thanks for your reply

Please use CSO data on migration:


http://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/pme/populationandmigrationestimatesapril2014/#.VKCsr14is


NB: we don't ask migrants why they arrive or leave, so we don't know their motivations.

Geuze

WhiteWalls wrote: »

Could one conservatively say that 100k people have left these shores to find work? Thanks for your reply

In the year to April 2014:

60,600 immigrated into Ireland

81,900 emigrated out of Ireland

Mr. teddywinkles

Geuze wrote: »

Please note that many emigrants leave jobs behind.

i.e. they were EMPLOYED before they left

Not that great a job so?

murphaph

Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »

Not that great a job so?

Perhaps the opposite. Those likely to find it easy to leave and find work in a foreign country are those with skills in demand elsewhere.

Rightwing

murphaph wrote: »

Perhaps the opposite. Those likely to find it easy to leave and find work in a foreign country are those with skills in demand elsewhere.

Indeed, coupled with the fact that high earners will pay less tax in other jurisdictions.

I don't too many janitors will be leaving our shores for America.

antoobrien

Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »

Not that great a job so?

Over the past 5 years approx 479,800 emigrated from Ireland. More than half of these (251,600) were not Irish nationals.

One would imagine that they had many of the the same reasons that some of the 108,400 Irish nationals that came back to Ireland during that time frame had for leaving.

18MonthsaSlave

zero hour contract employees who are supplementing their wage through welfare should be factored in in some fashion. The government have a vested interest in the likes of the supermarkets employing 3 or 4 people on zero hour contracts or similiar than forcing them to employ 1 person full time; it costs more but it hides under-employment.
In Germany, those in mini-jobs must hold down multiple mini-jobs to be effectively fully employed. In Ireland that doesn't matter.
All the activation schemes should be factored in in some way too.
And the disability allowance recipients too. There are workshy people in there amongst the genuine. It is impossible to count them acurrately too.
There are jobless hidden in there.