Air Asia Flight missing..

GBX

"@BBCBreaking: Air Asia flight QZ 8501 travelling from Indonesia to Singapore has gone missing - reports http://t.co/4ZqCzIoKXE"

Hopefully contact us made soon.

man98

It went missing 6 hours ago

Thrill

indonesian transport ministry confirms that QZ8501 requested a change in course because of heavy weather. There were thunderstorms in the area it seems. Planes been missing for around 6 hours now. Doesnt look good.

Thrill

Airplane wreckage reportedly found east of Belitung Island in Indonesia. No confirmation from Air Asia yet.

ardle1

Remind me never to fly with Air Asia!

Thrill

There is no possibility for missing flight to continue flying. Only had fuel for 4.5hrs. - Indonesian Officials

Luke92

AirAsia added to the no fly list for myself!

What is up with these Malaysian airlines this year!

keith16

ardle1 wrote: »

Remind me never to fly with Air Asia!

Luke92 wrote: »

AirAsia added to the no fly list for myself!

What is up with these Malaysian airlines this year!

Well in that case you might want to strongly consider never flying again. First aircraft Air Asia have ever lost.

Luke92

Luke92 wrote: »

AirAsia added to the no fly list for myself!

What is up with these Malaysian airlines this year!

Eh Air Asia is INDONESIAN not Malaysian for a start two completely different countries.

You can put all the airlines of the world on a list of you want because most if not all at some stage have had an incident

fits

I wouldn't blame people after reading the article in the indo. Indonesian air Asia flight crashes, and they talk about Malaysian airlines and Malaysian air Asia. Gutter journalism

mickdw

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Eh Air Asia is INDONESIAN not Malaysian for a start two completely different countries.

You can put all the airlines of the world on a list of you want because most if not all at some stage have had an incident

Well the founder / owner tony fernandez is Malaysian and the entire business is headquartered in kuala lumper. I don't think it's incorrect to call it a Malaysian airline.

billie1b

mickdw wrote: »

Well the founder / owner tony fernandez is Malaysian and the entire business is headquartered in kuala lumper. I don't think it's incorrect to call it a Malaysian airline.

Correct, a few of the articles on line are even quoting it as Malaysian, one from an official source too

the_monkey

They say a thunderstorm brought the plane down ? How can a thunderstorm bring a plane down ? Planes go through them all the time ...

kona

the_monkey wrote: »

They say a thunderstorm brought the plane down ? How can a thunderstorm bring a plane down ? Planes go through them all the time ...

They most definatley avoid them!

A Dub in Glasgo

the_monkey wrote: »

They say a thunderstorm brought the plane down ? How can a thunderstorm bring a plane down ? Planes go through them all the time ...

Aircraft go to great lengths to avoid thunderstorms / bad weather, you can see this all the time on the radar sites where planes take strange routes to avoid them!!

highlydebased

the_monkey wrote: »

They say a thunderstorm brought the plane down ? How can a thunderstorm bring a plane down ? Planes go through them all the time ...

They definitely don't fly right into thunderstorms intentionally, not a very safe place for an aircraft to be with severe turbulence, windshear, microbursts, hail, lightning etc! In a very strong storm it could be fatal

kona

Anybody know the aircraft reg?

billie1b

kona wrote: »

Anybody know the aircraft reg?

It's believed to be PK-AXC

roundymac

Did'nt the Air France AF 447 fly into one which caused the pitot tubes to ice up?

smurfjed

Eh Air Asia is INDONESIAN not Malaysian for a start two completely different countries.

Air Asia is a MALAYSIAN airline owned by Tony Fernandez. The airline was set up in KL and operates from its own low cost terminal. As the airline expanded, it joined with associated airlines which operate under the Air Asia brand, one of these is Indonesia Air Asia. This was originally called Awair (Air Wagon International) and started in 1999.

Peregrine

It(Awair) operates under the Air Asia brand which is Malaysian but it's an Indonesian airline majority owned by an Indonesian.

coffeepls

I'm going to beg to differ here - this is actually an Indonesian owned airline
Here is a link: http://worldairlinenews.com/tag/pk-axc/
I was actually doing a search to see who the lessor was, not to prove this

Just saw your post there Nim after I posted the above

Stinicker

It doesn't matter if it's Indonesian or Malaysian, they all operate under the AirAsia umbrella, I've flown on AirAsia (The Malaysian version), Thai AirAsia and Air Asia Zest in the Philippines. They are a huge group similar to Ryanair here and very cheap. Indonesia has some shocking aviation safety so what I'd be more interested in was finding out what happened and if it was human or mechanical error. RIP to all those who have by now surely perished.

snowgal

I don't see anywhere where they said about it being brought down by thunderstorm, sure they haven't even found it yet..? Unless I'm missing something?

martinsvi

Deleted User wrote: »

You can put all the airlines of the world on a list of you want because most if not all at some stage have had an incident

Well AirAsia Indonesia were on EU Banned airline list from 2007 to 2010 due to safety concerns. Sure enough they got their issues resolved and got removed from the list, but what if they came back? Way too early to say, but I wouldn't blame certain posters for not wanting to fly with this airline

kona

Basically anything not easa or FAA approved will be below par safety wise. There's a reason they are cheap and don't have any easa or FAA approval.

Reoil

snowgal wrote: »

I don't see anywhere where they said about it being brought down by thunderstorm, sure they haven't even found it yet..? Unless I'm missing something?

They asked to increase altitude approaching a storm. There is a high possibility that this is a factor to its disappearance.

Slippin Jimmy

Reoil wrote: »

They asked to increase altitude approaching a storm. There is a high possibility that this is a factor to its disappearance.

More than likely it is, but nothing has been confirmed yet.

highlydebased

According to this link, there is a suggestion it came down off the east coast of Sumatera, in the waters of East Belitung. http://www.nst.com.my/node/66736?d=1

man98

At least the wreckage should be relatively easy to recover, in comparison to MH370. I'd be leaning towards the theory that perhaps adverse conditions, computer failure and pilot incompetence may have formed a "perfect storm". All speculation, as well as mysterious. As far as I know, no Mayday call was made. Bombs are effectively ruled out, highly unlikely that an army is out training in a storm close to a busy airport.

smurfjed

I'd be leaning towards the theory that perhaps adverse conditions, computer failure and pilot incompetence may have formed a "perfect storm"

What do you mean by this?

Basically anything not easa or FAA approved will be below par safety wise

Have you compared the safety record of Air Asia versus Air France?

man98

I'm thinking that maybe (happened tonnes of times before) that pilots get a computer malfunction and don't know how to handle it. Look at the case in 1986 on Aeroperu, computer telling them they're at 10,000 feet when they crash into the Pacific. You never know how someone will react until it happens. Failure with CRM contributing to stress or inadequate training in heavy storms. That's the type of incompetency I'm talking about.

braddun

Malaysian air carriers bad year losing 3 planes


I wonder will they all be found to be bombs

NewSigGuy

braddun wrote: »

Malaysian air carriers bad year losing 3 planes


I wonder will they all be found to be bombs

man98 wrote: »

I'm thinking that maybe (happened tonnes of times before) that pilots get a computer malfunction and don't know how to handle it. Look at the case in 1986 on Aeroperu, computer telling them they're at 10,000 feet when they crash into the Pacific. You never know how someone will react until it happens. Failure with CRM contributing to stress or inadequate training in heavy storms. That's the type of incompetency I'm talking about.

Watched a few episodes of "BlackBox" and now an expert???

mr.anonymous

Whenever I see "aircraft missing" I assume the worst.

This reminds me of the AFR447 accident of 2009. I think there will be similarities although not much is clear yet.

The AvHerald has a leaked screenshot of the radar showing the aircraft at about 350kts ground speed, which I think is low for ~FL360, thru which the aircraft was climbing at the time.

Hopefully the wreckage will be found tomorrow.

2013 was a record year for aviation safety with 173 fatalities. This year I think the number is around 900, 540 being from MH370 in March and MH17 over summer.

tharmor

Malaysian airlines holds 50% stake in Airasia for everyone's information !!!

hidinginthebush

the_monkey wrote: »

They say a thunderstorm brought the plane down ? How can a thunderstorm bring a plane down ? Planes go through them all the time ...

It wasn't in the news a huge amount due to the Malaysian crashes at the time, but an Algerian Air flight was brought down this summer by (what's believed to be) a thunderstorm with 116 fatalities

smurfjed

(happened tonnes of times before) that pilots get a computer malfunction and don't know how to handle it

Tonnes of times??

Look at the case in 1986 on Aeroperu, computer telling them they're at 10,000 feet when they crash into the Pacific

Aeroperu was a B757 and the result was reported as The cause of the instrument failure was a maintenance worker's failure to remove tape covering the static ports necessary to provide correct instrument data to the cockpit.

Since the flight was at night over water, no visual references could be made to convey to the pilots their true altitude or aid the pilots in the descent. Also, as a consequence of the pilots' inability to precisely monitor the aircraft's airspeed or vertical speed, they experienced multiple stalls, resulting in rapid loss of altitude with no corresponding change on the altimeter. While the altimeter indicated an altitude of approximately 9,700 feet, the aircraft's true altitude was in fact much lower.

There are substantial differences between the technology of a B757 and an A320, not the mention the more common usage of GPS.

I can't see any resemblance between the 757 crash and this event.

man98

I'm not saying that those two crashes were similar, I'm saying it's happened before that a system is malfunctioning and pilots are lost (AF447 is another case). Pilots get stressed, can make erratic decisions and so on. I don't know volumes about Aeronautical Engineering but it certainly isn't out of the equation.

smurfjed

Pilots get stressed, can make erratic decisions and so on

Do you have any experience as a professional pilot?

Peregrine

tharmor wrote: »

Malaysian airlines holds 50% stake in Airasia for everyone's information !!!

Are you sure?

mayotom

tharmor wrote: »

Malaysian airlines holds 50% stake in Airasia for everyone's information !!!

Sensationalist Rubbish

Ownership "Indonisian AirAisa" is as follows "AirAsia Berhad" has a 49% share in the airline with "Fersindo Nusaperkasa" owning 51%. Indonesia's laws disallow majority foreign ownership on domestic civil aviation operations.

Ownership of Air Asia is a little more complex as seen below, with Tony Fernades been the main man behind it financially and Irish man Connor McCarthy as the brains behind the operation

mbur

Does anyone have parameters to set up a flightradar recording of this flight like we had with Malaysian 370 ?

man98

I don't have any commercial experience as a pilot, no, but that doesn't mean I can't hold an opinion as to what has happened in this tragedy. As I can't be arsed arguing, I'll wait and see where this is taken.

andy_g

As is usual with these types of threads and incidents, I'd like to ask everyone to keep speculation down until there is more known.

This is not to put a end to the conversation, but lets keep the speculation down and the silly emotive arguments out of here,
ie. are you a pilot of A,B,C or about experience.

NewSigGuy

So a Guy makes a blatant statement of Knowledge, which they clearly could not have at this stage, and it is wrong to question the posters expertise!!

Aviation has become an area in which every arm chair expert has an opinion and an answer. Watching black box etc does not give you the full facts nor does it give one a real insight into the dynamics in play on the flight deck of an aircraft.

Aviation has become synonymous with the phrase "Pilot Error" and this is I believe unique in the professional world as is the fact that in most cases the one who makes the error will also pay the price.

I think most Pilots find it hard to take it when the media and the public at large are so quick to jump to judgement and everyone has the expert opinion from some talking head on some 24/7 news channel. I think its important to consider that the news channel just needs to fill the minutes till the next headlines and they will broadcast almost anything that fills the void.

I see CNN have brought out Richard Quest in this case as a de facto expert on all things aviation, what is his qualification??

At the moment everything is pure speculation and while many pilots may have opinions most will keep them to themselves until there is more concrete info.

the_monkey

highlydebased wrote: »

They definitely don't fly right into thunderstorms intentionally, not a very safe place for an aircraft to be with severe turbulence, windshear, microbursts, hail, lightning etc! In a very strong storm it could be fatal

Ok , but I remember on a flight to South Africa we flew over the Conger and was turbulence and lightning outside for a long time (couple hours) - Maybe we flew above it ??

ProfessorPlum

andy_g wrote: »

As is usual with these types of threads and incidents, I'd like to ask everyone to keep speculation down until there is more known.

This is not to put a end to the conversation but lease keep the speculation down and the girly arguement are you a pilot of A,B,C or about experience.

Perhaps you'd care to rephrase? I'm sure that kind of language could be considered misogynistic.

kona

ProfessorPlum wrote: »

Perhaps you'd care to rephrase? I'm sure that kind of language could be considered misogynistic.

Lol

Strumms

I really do not understand the lust for speculation in such tragic incidents. There could be many reasons why the aircraft crashed. As highlighted most investigations take a long time to come to a finding and often there is a Swiss cheese scenario where multiple factors play a part. It's completly ludicrous for anyone to sit in their armchair tonight to come out with baloney such as.. " well I think this happened or that happened". It's nosensical and serves no purpose nobody knows Jack **** apart from there was bad weather in the area which may or may not have been a contributory factor. Boggles the mind.

asteroids over berlin

flew air asia a couple of times, they were grand if not very good. just bad luck, **** happens.

thoughts are with the passengers!