Are hackers sad fvckers who need a slap?

Harry Palmr

With Sony and Microsoft having been hacked on Christmas day and Sony also hacked by someone re The Interview what is it that drives these losers?

theteal

You can't hack a pair of roller blades!

Sheep Lover

Harry Palmr wrote: »

what is it that drives these losers?

Their mothers I'd assume, since they can only be 12 or so

pmasterson95

Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

My name is URL

With Sony and Microsoft having been hacked on Christmas day

That's not hacking

Grayson

Depends on the hackers, what they're hacking, why they're hacking and what tehir aims are.

the xbox/sony ones seem a bit pointless.

pmasterson95

Sheep Lover wrote: »

Their mothers I'd assume, since they can only be 12 or so

As a perhaps over logical aside no way are those who hacked sony 12 year olds. Hacking isnt that easy.

Grayson

My name is URL wrote: »

That's not hacking

I wrote a dissertation on hacking. I focused on the guys on MIT in the 70's. What's happening with Sony/xbox isn't hacking in the classical sense but in your common parlance it is

Son Of A Vidic

Harry Palmr wrote: »

With Sony and Microsoft having been hacked on Christmas day

The PS4 and Xbox One were not hacked, all indications are it was a DDoS attack which completely overloaded their servers. Information from these servers cannot be stolen during a DDos attack, a DDos attack is not a hack. All a DDos attack does is overload targeted servers with requests, this eventually results in a complete slowdown of services and a server crash.

The Bould Rabbit

They'd get more than a slap if I got my hands on them.

Try explaining to an autistic child on Christmas morning why their game won't work.

Sheep Lover

pmasterson95 wrote: »

As a perhaps over logical aside no way are those who hacked sony 12 year olds. Hacking isnt that easy.

Err it's not actually hacking, more spamming. Any oul goat with a script and fingers can do it

pmasterson95

Sheep Lover wrote: »

Err it's not actually hacking, more spamming. Any oul goat with a script and fingers can do it

The DOS yes. The Interview Sony hack is more advanced.

Sclosages

'Tis modern day warfare!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

It depends on what the point of the hack is. A lot of people hack as a measure of freedom and a request for truth and honesty - wikileaks is part founded on the basis of hackers. While you might not agree with them or their motives, they're certainly a bit more than "sad feckers who need a slap".

The Bould Rabbit wrote: »

They'd get more than a slap if I got my hands on them.

Try explaining to an autistic child on Christmas morning why their game won't work.

Would you drive round to Electric Ireland or whoever and slaip them too if the power was down?

catallus

'Tis Modern Day Vandalism, more like.

Bring back Capital Punishment!

castletownman

Sclosages wrote: »

'Tis modern day warfare!

Tis a first world problem

My name is URL

Grayson wrote: »

I wrote a dissertation on hacking. I focused on the guys on MIT in the 70's. What's happening with Sony/xbox isn't hacking in the classical sense but in your common parlance it is

Just because it's common parlance doesn't mean it's correct or that it should be repeated ad nauseum by media etc. Distributed denial of service attacks are not a form of hacking in any way whatsoever. It's akin to hitting the refresh button repeatedly and flooding a website with too much traffic.

The only reason it is considered 'hacking' in common parlance is because the term has been co-opted by people who don't know what they're talking about in order to paint anyone who does nefarious stuff online with the same brush. And it lays right into the script-kiddies hands to have the media describe them as 'hackers'

Sclosages

Is North Korea considered to be in the first world?

Howya Kim Jong Un.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Would you drive round to Electric Ireland or whoever and slaip them too if the power was down?

Well the electricity companies don't deliberately disrupt their supply, these "hackers" are cutting the wires so to speak.

Sclosages

If ya shut down me internet access btw - I be fierce pissed off!!!

suicide_circus

Sheep Lover wrote: »

Err it's not actually hacking, more spamming. Any oul goat with a script and fingers can do it

Ah yes the goats, even when it was the bears, I knew it was them!

harney

I'd rather see the admins and security management people slapped. This is equivalent of having a policy in place of never locking the front door of your shop, having it broken into several times, then acting surprised when some bad people come along and rip everything off and tag the walls on the way out.

The had enough warning this was coming, but failed to act. Bad people are out there, and while you can never be 100% secure, the aim should be to make it too much hassle to bother attacking you.

My name is URL

My name is URL wrote: »

Just because it's common parlance doesn't mean it's correct or that it should be repeated ad nauseum by media etc. Distributed denial of service attacks are not a form of hacking in any way whatsoever. It's akin to hitting the refresh button repeatedly and flooding a website with too much traffic.

The only reason it is considered 'hacking' in common parlance is because the term has been co-opted by people who don't know what they're talking about in order to paint anyone who does nefarious stuff online with the same brush. And it lays right into the script-kiddies hands to have the media describe them as 'hackers'

Most of these DDOS attacks are by organised gangs using botnets, I'm not sure how many script kiddies have access to these botnets.

Sclosages

harney wrote: »

I'd rather see the admins and security management people slapped. This is equivalent of having a policy in place of never locking the front door of your shop, having it broken into several times, then acting surprised when some bad people come along and rip everything off and tag the walls on the way out.

The had enough warning this was coming, but failed to act. Bad people are out there, and while you can never be 100% secure, the aim should be to make it too much hassle to bother attacking you.

Have Sony head-hunted you yet?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Deleted User wrote: »

Well the electricity companies don't deliberately disrupt their supply, these "hackers" are cutting the wires so to speak.

We're talking about an autistic child here! Try explaing that to them!

Captain Chaos

harney wrote: »

I'd rather see the admins and security management people slapped. This is equivalent of having a policy in place of never locking the front door of your shop, having it broken into several times, then acting surprised when some bad people come along and rip everything off and tag the walls on the way out.

The had enough warning this was coming, but failed to act. Bad people are out there, and while you can never be 100% secure, the aim should be to make it too much hassle to bother attacking you.

There is nothing you can do to stop a Ddos attack, besides having aload of backup reserved bandwidth for your servers and even then it won't fully prevent it. It's basically a targeted overload of an already strained system, and because of heavy traffic on Christmas Day, this situation makes it even easier to do with even less work on their part.

harney

harney wrote: »

I'd rather see the admins and security management people slapped. This is equivalent of having a policy in place of never locking the front door of your shop, having it broken into several times, then acting surprised when some bad people come along and rip everything off and tag the walls on the way out.

The had enough warning this was coming, but failed to act. Bad people are out there, and while you can never be 100% secure, the aim should be to make it too much hassle to bother attacking you.

A DDOS attack is akin to having a trainload of "shoppers" go in your door at once and none of them buying and preventing legitimate shoppers from entering.

catallus

harney wrote: »

I'd rather see the admins and security management people slapped. This is equivalent of having a policy in place of never locking the front door of your shop, having it broken into several times, then acting surprised when some bad people come along and rip everything off and tag the walls on the way out.

The had enough warning this was coming, but failed to act. Bad people are out there, and while you can never be 100% secure, the aim should be to make it too much hassle to bother attacking you.

+1

The people who spout on about Net-Neutrality should think on this when they pontificate about an "equal internet"

The only way is to lock down the important stuff.

harney

Sony had 100TB of data stolen, is that not the hack we are talking about?

Grab All Association

castletownman wrote: »

Tis a first world problem

What's with all the Yanks saying that on Twitter? Emo Josh "I dropped my guyliner #firstworldproblem" or some Yank girl going on about college #firstworldproblem I'd be more worried about the future of their country. The only hope the majority of Americans have outside of New York and California is a minimum wage job at Wallgreens/Walmart/Subway or to get hooked on meth.

My name is URL

Deleted User wrote: »

Most of these DDOS attacks are by organised gangs using botnets, I'm not sure how many script kiddies have access to these botnets.

Anyone can get access to and control of a botnet. You can literally rent them by the hour these days through services offered via the deep web.

harney

harney wrote: »

Sony had 100TB of data stolen, is thst not the hack we are talking about?

No there were two different attacks, one on Sony which was a crack rather than a hack and the one on xbox services which was a brute force DDOS which just made the services unavailable.

Captain Chaos

harney wrote: »

Sony had 100TB of data stolen, is thst not the hack we are talking about?

No, we are talking about MS and Sony's online gaming network being overloaded targeted for Christmas Day and the attack was announced months in advance. Nothing you can do about it.

pmasterson95

harney wrote: »

Sony had 100TB of data stolen, is that not the hack we are talking about?

Thats what I thought. Seems half are while other half are classing DOS as a hack???

KomradeBishop

The computer hackers largely just enjoy finding and exploiting loopholes in code/systems - same way many people in legal/accounting/finance-and-banking/etc. firms enjoy and are employed finding loopholes in laws/regulations; it's just looking for exploits/loopholes, but within a different field.

In all cases, it can be big business and extraordinarily profitable, and it's a form of illegality that is easy to get away with, when done right.

The main difference with computer hacking, is a lot of people also do it purely for fun/notoriety as well - and it's a pretty level playing field, where even a teenage schoolkid can gain the abilities/skills needed to discover and successfully exploit systems; many start off, just by learning to exploit computer games they like playing (abilities that can be very useful to them professionally later on, whether they go the legal - programming - or illegal - hacking/exploiting - route).

The Bould Rabbit

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Would you drive round to Electric Ireland or whoever and slaip them too if the power was down?

Don't be silly.

harney

Ah, I thought it was the data theft we were talking about.

A long read on skiddies attacking a site via ddos back in 2001 or so:

http://www.crime-research.org/library/grcdos.pdf

NZ_2014

The real sad fuvkers are losers like me who spend too much time playing video games.

Talib Fiasco

I think it's quite hilarious seeing all the diehard gamers rage all over Twitter and Facebook on Christmas day saying stuff like "F*ck you Lizard Squad, how could you take away gaming on Christmas Day from us"...yeah dumbass Christmas is for spending time with family and friends, not being confined to your room with turkey grease all over your headset and controller.

catallus

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

being confined to your room with turkey grease all over your headset and controller.

That's durty

Sclosages

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

I think it's quite hilarious seeing all the diehard gamers rage all over Twitter and Facebook on Christmas day saying stuff like "F*ck you Lizard Squad, how could you take away gaming on Christmas Day from us"...yeah dumbass Christmas is for spending time with family and friends, not being confined to your room with turkey grease all over your headset and controller.

Dumbass - some of us don't like family. Friends are usually with their family. Playing games cos they don't like their families either.

Cantremember

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

I think it's quite hilarious seeing all the diehard gamers rage all over Twitter and Facebook on Christmas day saying stuff like "F*ck you Lizard Squad, how could you take away gaming on Christmas Day from us"...yeah dumbass Christmas is for spending time with family and friends, not being confined to your room with turkey grease all over your headset and controller.

Christmas is for whatever people want to do with it (within the law).

Sclosages

I'm raging that I didn't see the salaries of 6k Sony staff. Link anyone?

rosedream

Depends on the motive, but a lot of them just seem to hack and exploit innocent people's information either for money or just for the sake of actually being able to do it, as well as the whole celebrity hacks.

I just think a lot of the energy could least be put into exposing genuine criminal activity online, and I mean the genuine heavy stuff, not the whole downloading films and music from pirate sites.

Sclosages

rosedream wrote: »

I just think a lot of the energy could least be put into exposing genuine criminal activity online, and I mean the genuine heavy stuff, not the whole downloading films and music from pirate sites.

This is where Penelope comes in. FBI hire hackers.

Harry Palmr

Like a say a good slap

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/dec/31/lizard-squad-ddos-service-playstation-xbox-lizardstresser

Lizard Squad now helping anyone copy its PlayStation and Xbox attacks

The hacking group has released the ‘LizardStresser’ DDoS tool to help people overload websites and internet services, charging between $6 and $500 per attack

NowThatsCool

No they don't deserve a slap. But they do deserve the censure of then law - both criminal and civil.

They first deserve to be prosecute under criminal law for vandalism. They then need to appear in court in a civil actions by Microsoft and Sony suing for loss of earnings. They then need to be sued by the hundreds and thousands of folks who were denied access to these sites for "mental anguish". Perhaps a few years in the slammer followed by financial ruin will teach these prats that vandalism is vandalism, whether it is perpetrated on the internet or a number 47 bus shelter.

p.s. what I really loved was the Sky TV interview where the goon faced Finnish hacker said (I paraphrase) "it was better for kids to spend family time together on Christmas than play video games". What a very Taliban perspective.

EnmxLP

"Finest Squad" and "Lizard Squad" both originate from the gaming community, both f##king idiots. They talk themselves up about being mastermind hackers, which in-fairness taking down the servers of a multimillionaire company i can only imagine isn't an easy task. But why Microsoft and Sony, why not do something useful like making games free in the marketplace or comedically hacking websites, but no they take down games and think they're hot sh!t that will take over the world. Although two of the Lizard squad members were arrested, video about it on youtube here: /watch?v=dsZeCmCPxyg


The interview with both hacking squads is hilarious and cringey, i recommend the watching it. /watch?v=s-vwIn1atgg

I suppose part of the fun must be to see if you can as opposed to anything else

Stuff like the icloud thing with the pictures was awful though

Sh1tbag OToole

Cantremember wrote: »

Christmas is for whatever people want to do with it (within the law).

Why limit yourself to doing only pre-perscribed activities from a rule book created by a bunch of drysh1te politicians, if you can get away with it?

Sh1tbag OToole

NowThatsCool wrote: »

No they don't deserve a slap. But they do deserve the censure of then law - both criminal and civil.

They first deserve to be prosecute under criminal law for vandalism. They then need to appear in court in a civil actions by Microsoft and Sony suing for loss of earnings. They then need to be sued by the hundreds and thousands of folks who were denied access to these sites for "mental anguish". Perhaps a few years in the slammer followed by financial ruin will teach these prats that vandalism is vandalism, whether it is perpetrated on the internet or a number 47 bus shelter.

p.s. what I really loved was the Sky TV interview where the goon faced Finnish hacker said (I paraphrase) "it was better for kids to spend family time together on Christmas than play video games". What a very Taliban perspective.

Microsoft and Sony are cnuts too, they had it coming. They have been trying to push DRM on everyone for years