Referees on CV

cocaholic

Would ye bother even putting referees and references available on request on cv? takes up valuable space but it seems like it needs to be there.

Gael23

cocaholic wrote: »

Would ye bother even putting referees and references available on request on cv? takes up valuable space but it seems like it needs to be there.

You CV should be no longer than 2 pages. So if putting in references takes it over 2 then put available on request.

Saipanne

cocaholic wrote: »

Would ye bother even putting referees and references available on request on cv? takes up valuable space but it seems like it needs to be there.

No need to for applications. They only request references after they make a provisional job offer.

Mr. Loverman

Think about the psychology of it. The HR person is used to seeing them there. She will pause for a second when she can't find them. This will cause her to think something's wrong. She won't know why, but it will probably leave a negative opinion of your CV lingering in the back of her mind. This obviously isn't good for you.

So stick them there.

Achtung Maybe

a one-liner "references available upon request" will suffice

Tarzana2

Mr. Loverman wrote: »

Think about the psychology of it. The HR person is used to seeing them there. She will pause for a second when she can't find them. This will cause her to think something's wrong. She won't know why, but it will probably leave a negative opinion of your CV lingering in the back of her mind. This obviously isn't good for you.

So stick them there.

What? Hardly anyone names their referees on their CV these days. It's the norm. So why would an experienced HR person expect to see them on it?

Mr. Loverman

Tarzana2 wrote: »

What? Hardly anyone names their referees on their CV these days. It's the norm. So why would an experienced HR person expect to see them on it?

That's not what I said.

The OP asks should she write "referees available on request" on her CV as it seems a pointless waste of space. She doesn't ask should she put actual references on her CV.

I answered the question she asked. If it's not clear, the answer is put "referees available on request" on the CV.

Tarzana2

Mr. Loverman wrote: »

That's not what I said.

The OP asks should she write "referees available on request" on her CV as it seems a pointless waste of space. She doesn't ask should she put actual references on her CV.

I answered the question she asked. If it's not clear, the answer is put "referees available on request" on the CV.

OK, you worded the previous post ambiguously, especially this part:

Mr. Loverman wrote: »

So stick them there.

She does ask if you should put actual referees: (though that is also kinda ambiguous worded)

Would ye bother even putting referees and references available on request on cv?

cocaholic

Sorry, meant the line referees/references available on request seems to just take up space and be a bit out of place at the end of a cv (even though I know it should be there).

Gael23

You need to put references available on request at a minimum.
Theres no need to put the details of your referees if you don't have space

Tarzana2

ryanf1 wrote: »

You need to put references available on request at a minimum.
Theres no need to put the details of your referees if you don't have space

Not only do you not need to, it can be damaging to include referee contact details, as it can look unprofessional.

NZ_2014

Tarzana2 wrote: »

Not only do you not need to, it can be damaging to include referee contact details, as it can look unprofessional.

In your opinion :pac:

There was a big thread about this a few months ago If I remember correct

Tarzana2

NZ_2014 wrote: »

In your opinion :pac:

There was a big thread about this a few months ago If I remember correct

And the overwhelming consensus on that thread, with a few opposing viewpoints, was that including referee details is a terrible idea. Knock yourself out though if you want to include them!

the_syco

Tarzana2 wrote: »

Not only do you not need to, it can be damaging to include referee contact details, as it can look unprofessional.

The main reason you don't put them on the CV is that the people will just try to recruit them. But after a few dozen phone calls, they'll stop being your reference, and you'll find yourself without a reference.

Have gotten a few calls from people promising jobs, looking for my reference over the phone. I ask them to email me, and I'll email them the contact details. Never hear from them again.

Tarzana2

the_syco wrote: »

The main reason you don't put them on the CV is that the people will just try to recruit them. But after a few dozen phone calls, they'll stop being your reference, and you'll find yourself without a reference.

It's not just that. Putting your referee's details on the CV shows you don't really respect their time, as they can be contacted at any time and unknown to you. This means you might show a lack of respect towards superiors in the applied-for position. At least when you put "on request" they can contact you for those details when a firm offer is on the the table, and your referees can be notified by you to expect a call.

Mint Aero

Dunno about HR and what nots, they don't exist in my industry thankfully. Referees on your CV is mandatory I'd say. You only need include 2 to 4 so what space is this taking up!? Please delete your hobbies/interest if needs be, referees is far more important.

As for the 2 page cv cliche? Depends on your industry. I don't have a cv per se. I've a 60 page portfolio and the traditional cv "element" comprises a mere page of this with the bare minimum an employer needs to know about me personally. Don't include picture in this country or the UK either, the continent might be slightly different I feel. Cover letters, I usually bang off a semi formal email with my portfolio attached, just a Dear "whomever" and what I'am/looking for etc. Simples, does the job.

That's my two pence worth.

Mint Aero

I just read through the referees comments from other people and you guys are way off the mark.....respecting their time?, recruiting them?! an employer trying to recruit an employer?!

How does putting "available on request" solve any of the issues mentioned?! all you're doing is being awkward. If I was employer and didn't see any referees, I'd assume you don't have any.....bin.

Here's a tip, get a written reference from your previous employer and include a copy with your cv

Tarzana2

Mint Aero wrote: »

Dunno about HR and what nots, they don't exist in my industry thankfully. Referees on your CV is mandatory I'd say. You only need include 2 to 4 so what space is this taking up!?

With name, job title, workplace and various contact details, up to 5 or 6 lines which is a lot of precious space on a CV.

Sure, add them if you like, but it's not really the done thing now. If it's something you'd discount a candidate for; again, that's fine, up to you. But when applying for jobs, a candidate needs to go with the odds and the odds are that an potential employer at best won't care if they're not included and at worst, won't be at all impressed if they are included. The odd hiring manager will want to see them, but this would be the exception, going by any recent consensus I've heard of. It's most certainly not way off the mark to say this.

Diziet

Many employers ask for a reference from the previous employer. You don't want them taking up references while you are job hunting! I prefer to be in control of when references are taken up, so have 'available on request' on the CV, as does everybody else I have talked to (tech sector). When hiring, I would be surprised to see contact details for referees on the CV, unless it was someone just out of college.

Mrs OBumble

Mint Aero wrote: »

Here's a tip, get a written reference from your previous employer and include a copy with your cv

Not worth the paper they're written on, IMHO. Except in some branches of the Irish government, which apparently expect the.

An effective reference check requires a delicately worded a phone call, every time.