Wednesday 17th

Francie Barrett

This race is really about two horses, and I fancy the second favourite, Communicator at 15/8. Its second place to Jossies Hill looks like top notch form, with Jossies Hill going on to win at Group 2 level and go close enough to Vautour at Cheltenham. Even money favourite Beast Of Burden won doing proverbial handstands, but there are question marks to this form, so with that, I have to take the second favourite.

Mocha Joe

What race?

CH3OH

Mocha Joe wrote: »

What race?

It was the 1:10 Newbury .it was unplaced

skippymac6

Loved the Bumper form of Value At Risk last year and think the change of trainers shouldn't be too much of an inconvenience. Hopefully he can win the 2.45 and advertise his credentials to be aimed at one of the novice hurdles at the festival.

paddyisreal

Was just watching some all weather from lingfield. The blatant pulling and non trying is hard to believe. Ertidaad in the 1.30 has to be seen to be believed. I had no bet .

sting60

Any punter with a decent brain in their head knows ladbrokes are by far the very worst layers available.i went in to a shop a 2.30 to have 500e on razor wind at 4/6 (should be 2/5imo) i was totally refused and laughted at yet they were taking same amounts on regular basis on bags from serious unintelligent Chinese punters.

Francie Barrett

sting60 wrote: »

Any punter with a decent brain in their head knows ladbrokes are by far the very worst layers available.i went in to a shop a 2.30 to have 500e on razor wind at 4/6 (should be 2/5imo) i was totally refused and laughted at yet they were taking same amounts on regular basis on bags from serious unintelligent Chinese punters.

Most bookies these days have cameras pointed at the counters and if a punter tries to get any decent amount of money on, head office will block it if there is any suspicion that you're not a big loser with them. I don't do big bets myself anymore, but friends of mine often have me do bets for them because they're black listed. I must have mug written on my face :pac:

coopdog85

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Most bookies these days have cameras pointed at the counters and if a punter tries to get any decent amount of money on, head office will block it if there is any suspicion that you're not a big loser with them. I don't do big bets myself anymore, but friends of mine often have me do bets for them because they're black listed. I must have mug written on my face :pac:

I'm sorry but that simply isn't true. I worked for various firms in Ireland for over 15 years & that isn't true. More often than not the staff are told not to take big bets, without contacting the race room first, from customers who aren't regulars. I'm no longer in the industry but i can walk into any shop & have large bets without a problem even though I'd be classed as a winner. I don't win all the the time but having worked for so long I'm fully aware I'd be classed as a winner. Ladbrokes have knocked me once or twice but that was when I was a fairly big punter & the bets i got knocked for were large ew bets.

Francie Barrett

coopdog85 wrote: »

I'm sorry but that simply isn't true. I worked for various firms in Ireland for over 15 years & that isn't true. More often than not the staff are told not to take big bets, without contacting the race room first, from customers who aren't regulars. I'm no longer in the industry but i can walk into any shop & have large bets without a problem even though I'd be classed as a winner. I don't win all the the time but having worked for so long I'm fully aware I'd be classed as a winner. Ladbrokes have knocked me once or twice but that was when I was a fairly big punter & the bets i got knocked for were large ew bets.

Fairly big punter? €50 e/w or something? When I talk about big money, I am referring to amounts in 4 figures. Many bookies turn that business away all the time. I've been betting for over 20 years, trying to get a proper bet on is certainly problematic.

coopdog85

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Fairly big punter? €50 e/w or something? When I talk about big money, I am referring to amounts in 4 figures. Many bookies turn that business away all the time. I've been betting for over 20 years, trying to get a proper bet on is certainly problematic.

I got knocked for €1,000 ew on Sizing Europe for the Arkle in 2010. Refused on the spot, certainly not €50 ew that you speak of. The way you're talking you must regularly try to have 10 grand on a horse do you? If not then you're talking nonsense because, like I already said, I worked in the industry at varying levels, so I know how this works. Unless you're having thousands on a horse every time you walk to the counter then there's no reason why you should be knocked.

nuckeythompson

coopdog85 wrote: »

I'm sorry but that simply isn't true. I worked for various firms in Ireland for over 15 years & that isn't true. More often than not the staff are told not to take big bets, without contacting the race room first, from customers who aren't regulars. I'm no longer in the industry but i can walk into any shop & have large bets without a problem even though I'd be classed as a winner. I don't win all the the time but having worked for so long I'm fully aware I'd be classed as a winner. Ladbrokes have knocked me once or twice but that was when I was a fairly big punter & the bets i got knocked for were large ew bets.

Thats true, its the staff who are told not to accept large bets and to call it in first , Ladbrokes are ****s but the worst has to be Hackets. Refused 25 e/w within the last year. It aint easy to get 500 + on these days , that I can assure you of

Hulk Hands

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Most bookies these days have cameras pointed at the counters and if a punter tries to get any decent amount of money on, head office will block it if there is any suspicion that you're not a big loser with them. I don't do big bets myself anymore, but friends of mine often have me do bets for them because they're black listed. I must have mug written on my face :pac:

This is nonsense. There's no cameras with Head office looking in. It'd be somewhat illegal for a start.

How can people expect to be getting 4 figures on a race, especially if its early price? Theyre under no obligation to lay you anything and if you're a stranger theyve never seen before why would they want to take that business? Even if you're marked up, you can usually get on a bet to take out a few hundred as long as its not terrible standard racing. Obviously the closer to the off, the more chance you have of getting on. Otherwise, use you're imagination and go up with a couple of slips, or a few shops etc. Laughable being in a shop and seeing some oul lad getting upset when the cashier rings his 500 e/w bet over

Gregk961

sting60 wrote: »

Any punter with a decent brain in their head knows ladbrokes are by far the very worst layers available.i went in to a shop a 2.30 to have 500e on razor wind at 4/6 (should be 2/5imo) i was totally refused and laughted at yet they were taking same amounts on regular basis on bags from serious unintelligent Chinese punters.

More importantly wasnt the horse odds against early doors? Sounds like a woeful bet to me

Francie Barrett

Hulk Hands wrote: »

This is nonsense. There's no cameras with Head office looking in. It'd be somewhat illegal for a start.

What are you on about - how could it be illegal?

wackokid

paddyisreal wrote: »

Was just watching some all weather from lingfield. The blatant pulling and non trying is hard to believe. Ertidaad in the 1.30 has to be seen to be believed. I had no bet .

You are surely 'A master of Irony' as Kirby could do no more short of knocking Spencer out of the saddle as he whizzed past him close to the line. Yes, he might have squeezed 3rd but the Arabs do not do places if their horses can't win. Especially 2yr olds. No jockey or trainer will flake a baby horse.

Hulk Hands

Discrimination on grounds of looks. They'd also have to advertise the fact. Doesn't matter either way, Bookies do not have camera's over shop counters pointed down with a surveillance team in head office ready to stop a bet based on the looks of the person. That is ridiculous

NaiveMelodies

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Discrimination on grounds of looks. They'd also have to advertise the fact. Doesn't matter either way, Bookies do not have camera's over shop counters pointed down with a surveillance team in head office ready to stop a bet based on the looks of the person. That is ridiculous

Exactly, it's a laughable suggestion. Someone's on the mulled wine a bit early I reckon..
Might make a good comedy sketch though.

Francie Barrett

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Discrimination on grounds of looks.

:pac: what a load of rubbish.

Bookies can and do identify high rolling customers and often refuse their bets. Discrimination doesn't even come into it. How do you just explain sting having his bet refused? Are you suggesting that he goes to the equality commission to complain that he has been discriminated against?

tomaussie

Francie Barrett wrote: »

:pac: what a load of rubbish.

Bookies can and do identify high rolling customers and often refuse their bets. Discrimination doesn't even come into it. How do you just explain sting having his bet refused? Are you suggesting that he goes to the equality commission to complain that he has been discriminated against?

Because nobody like the whining Bàstard or his music.

Hulk Hands

Francie Barrett wrote: »

:pac: what a load of rubbish.

Bookies can and do identify high rolling customers and often refuse their bets. Discrimination doesn't even come into it. How do you just explain sting having his bet refused? Are you suggesting that he goes to the equality commission to complain that he has been discriminated against?

They identify him by being a stranger coming into a shop looking for 500 on. A bet like that is rarely going to be accepted, based on the betsize and his 'stranger; status. If he is known to the shop, his bets are tagged and head office can make a decision on him based on his past business. They can't refuse him a bet on how he looks, that's what would be discrimination.

Laughable you nitpicking at small parts of my posts to try and deflect the topic. You said that most bookies have camera's over shop counters pointing down with head office looking on who will block bets if they dont like the look of you. That's one of the stupidest things ive ever read on this forum, which is saying a bit