New cinema in McDonagh?

thelad95

Is this still going ahead? The other cinema has gone even further downhill since it changed to IMC.

pegasus1

thelad95 wrote: »

Is this still going ahead? The other cinema has gone even further downhill since it changed to IMC.

think the existing cinema has plans for new one in the cattle mart..

linny

No this got knocked on the head. Current cinema had objections as did others. Hopefully rumours about penny's and new cinema for old mart site are true. Time will tell

robjones1981

thelad95 wrote: »

Is this still going ahead? The other cinema has gone even further downhill since it changed to IMC.

Its 2008 all over again

pegasus1

Did we get the wrong brother? Looks like paul anderson is investing loads into screens round the country..http://http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/omniplexmaxx-screen-to-capitalise-on-irish-hunger-for-cinema-233565.html
Its an article from last year..

Callanutd

Popped down to the omniplex in waterford last week. All nice and new. Great chairs, screen quality was excellent.
Hoping to head down and see the MAXX screen in action for Exodus next week. Pity Kilkenny couldnt have gotten that.
I know its a student town but two multi screen cinemas in waterford seems a bit OTT and both better and bigger than Kilkennys one.

road_high

Callanutd wrote: »

Popped down to the omniplex in waterford last week. All nice and new. Great chairs, screen quality was excellent.
Hoping to head down and see the MAXX screen in action for Exodus next week. Pity Kilkenny couldnt have gotten that.
I know its a student town but two multi screen cinemas in waterford seems a bit OTT and both better and bigger than Kilkennys one.

Is there two Cinemas in Waterford? That's even more depressing when you look at what Kilkenny has (n't)!

Bowlardo

Heard at lunch time tha tThe old mart is going to be turned into a 8/9 multiplex cinema with lots of parking.
They will move from the current cinema to the new cinema.
Meant to be in the kk People.
it was announced this morning

thelad95

Bowlardo wrote: »

Heard at lunch time tha tThe old mart is going to be turned into a 8/9 multiplex cinema with lots of parking.
They will move from the current cinema to the new cinema.
Meant to be in the kk People.
it was announced this morning

Same owners as the current one? IMC cinemas are awful.

Bowlardo

thelad95 wrote: »

Same owners as the current one? IMC cinemas are awful.

same owners.
It is on the kilkenny people site

Threadhead

Now we turn the conversation to what will be done with the old cinema on the Gaol Road?

It's only been open since 1998 and a lot of building went into it. Wonder if they've any plans for it.

thelad95

Threadhead wrote: »

Now we turn the conversation to what will be done with the old cinema on the Gaol Road?

It's only been open since 1998 and a lot of building went into it. Wonder if they've any plans for it.

Tesco?

Threadhead

You never know!

Considering the locals there campaigned (successfully) against the skate park, it's definitely not going to be anything too 'anti social.'

Grats

Very interesting development particularly when you consider all the accusations of a done deal between KCC and Tesco. So the CAS wasn't initaiated for Tesco afterall! Keep the faith!

thelad95

Threadhead wrote: »

You never know!

Considering the locals there campaigned (successfully) against the skate park, it's definitely not going to be anything too 'anti social.'

Actually now that you mention it, what a perfect location for a skate park!

Threadhead

Grats wrote: »

Very interesting development particularly when you consider all the accusations of a done deal between KCC and Tesco. So the CAS wasn't initaiated for Tesco afterall! Keep the faith!

Tesco were talking to KCC about the Brewery site which is still a possibility.

Nothing to do with CAS nor does it make it any more or less useful.

thelad95

Is Kilkenny the only county without a Tesco? Even Leitrim and Carlow have Tesco.

Bowlardo

thelad95 wrote: »

Is Kilkenny the only county without a Tesco? Even Leitrim and Carlow have Tesco.

**** Tesco

Captain Havoc

thelad95 wrote: »

Is Kilkenny the only county without a Tesco? Even Leitrim and Carlow have Tesco.

Yes and so what?

kikel

The city still function exceptionally well without a tesco believe it or not.

Rantan

..where the fox is foxy when you need him/her.....?!

....come on like ...a new Tesco debate and ....silence....??

linny

this is great news for Kilkenny, hopefully they will build a big 9 screen cinema, cant see why anyone would have an objection to this, other than Waterford and Carlow cinemas,

hi5

Seems like a big site for just a cinema, will the site be sold off in sections?
The new road will bisect it anyway.

Bowlardo

hi5 wrote: »

Seems like a big site for just a cinema, will the site be sold off in sections?
The new road will bisect it anyway.

This is a worry alrigtht. They spent 5 million on the site. you would have to sell and awful lot of popcorn to cover that cost. I can see a load of retail under the cinema simliar to Carlow.
If my understanding is right the CAS road will disect the mart in half. the Cinema will be between the new raod and barrack street.
What will be going between new road (which leads on to Green's bridge ) and the New CAS road?

It is about the same size of carlow fair green which is a worry.

I would love to see another watershed , that side of town is let down by a want for a decent swimming pool. Throw in a skate park and be down with it.

kikel

Bowlardo wrote: »

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It is about the same size of carlow fair green which is a worry.

my heart goes out to the High Street traders if this turns out to be true.

hi5

The High street traders are desperate to keep the Brewery site retail as it will keep the shopping that side of town. There's going to be a power struggle between High street/Brewery site and McDonagh/ Mart site.
I'd be keeping a close eye on planning in Kilkenny in the near future, as what's in the interest of vested interests and the people of Kilkenny may be two different things.

mountcisco

hi5 wrote: »

The High street traders are desperate to keep the Brewery site retail as it will keep the shopping that side of town. There's going to be a power struggle between High street/Brewery site and McDonagh/ Mart site.
I'd be keeping a close eye on planning in Kilkenny in the near future, as what's in the interest of vested interests and the people of Kilkenny may be two different things.

Tesco on the cards?

road_high

kikel wrote: »

The city still function exceptionally well without a tesco believe it or not.

It does but the choice of supermarkets in Kilkenny is awful in my opinion. Towns many times smaller have a better or equal choice.

kikel

road_high wrote: »

It does but the choice of supermarkets in Kilkenny is awful in my opinion. Towns many times smaller have a better or equal choice.

How many different options do you want to buy corn flakes?

thelad95

I know I was the one who pretty much bought up the Tesco issue in this thread but now that Kilkenny is saturated with Aldi's and Lidl's, mainstream supermarket prices can seem ridiculous. In Aldi, I can get three frozen pepperoni pizzas for 1.99. The other day in SuperValu, I saw one pizza advertised as 3.99. The presence of Tesco would only benefit Kilkenny by lowering the price of people's grocery shop.

If not Tesco, I'd love to see a Dealz or BuyLo come to Kilkenny. That would really give Dunnes and Supervalu the kick up the arse they need. Again, Kilkenny is one of the few counties these stores haven't reached.

kikel

thelad95 wrote: »

The presence of Tesco would only benefit Kilkenny by lowering the price of people's grocery shop.

Do you really believe that? Try doing the weekly shop online via Tesco and let us know how much you save. Pulling out on or two prices as a comparison is not real world scenario.

Also aswell it is a fact that tesco actually remove jobs from a local economy.

road_high

kikel wrote: »

How many different options do you want to buy corn flakes?

A lot more than Kilkenny has that's for sure...no Tesco, no Iceland, no Dealz, no M&S or locally owned deli type supermarket...Whatever one thinks about any of these, the reality is that in KK we don't have the choice and are stuck basically with the crap option of the German discounters or a few very second rate Dunnes or Super valus.
I regularly shop in Carlow or elsewhere when I'm there for work or passing through, simply because there's far more choice in what I can buy.

road_high

hi5 wrote: »

Seems like a big site for just a cinema, will the site be sold off in sections?
The new road will bisect it anyway.

Hopefully just one small section of the site. And some decent retail/office space to encourage the kind of tenants and employers that Kilkenny is lacking currently to come here as it's a great business town.

thelad95

kikel wrote: »

Do you really believe that? Try doing the weekly shop online via Tesco and let us know how much you save. Pulling out on or two prices as a comparison is not real world scenario.

Also aswell it is a fact that tesco actually remove jobs from a local economy.

Please explain to me how they remove jobs? If you mean they bring in middle management employees from existing stores, this is done by most supermarkets is it not?

Competition is always good for a local economy, I just feel Lidl and Aldi have it too easy at the minute.

road_high

List of potential tenants I'd like to see in the Mart and/or Brewery sites;
Tesco
Debenhams
Penneys
M&S
Zara
New Look

thelad95

road_high wrote: »

List of potential tenants I'd like to see in the Mart and/or Brewery sites;
Tesco
Debenhams
Penneys
M&S
Zara
New Look

Do we really need a second Penneys? If you mean move the current one, then fair enough. I can see a franchise restaurant moving there unfortunately something like HillBillys chicken or a Nando's.

road_high

thelad95 wrote: »

Do we really need a second Penneys? If you mean move the current one, then fair enough. I can see a franchise restaurant moving there unfortunately something like HillBillys chicken or a Nando's.

Nah I'd say leave the current small one in Market Cross, hugely popular value store, reckon two would survive just fine with two.

thelad95

road_high wrote: »

Nah I'd say leave the current small one in Market Cross, hugely popular value store, reckon two would survive just fine with two.

If Penneys had designs on the cinema site, I'd be 99% sure they'd close the Market cross shop.

kikel

thelad95 wrote: »

Please explain to me how they remove jobs?

Have a look at Carlow, Naas or Clonmel. All these places have lost jobs in smaller business because they cannot compete with tescos. Once tesco wipes a lot of them out prices go up and the weekly consumer shop is the same price it was before.

If tescos do come to Kilkenny it will devastate the high street.

thelad95

kikel wrote: »

Have a look at Carlow, Naas or Clonmel. All these places have lost jobs in smaller business because they cannot compete with tescos. Once tesco wipes a lot of them out prices go up and the weekly consumer shop is the same price it was before.

If tescos do come to Kilkenny it will devastate the high street.

I don't see how it would devestate High street (unless you mean it as a turn of phrase). The only place I can think of on High street that would be in direct competition with Tesco is Spar and they would be able to compete with Tesco.

kikel

thelad95 wrote: »

I don't see how it would devestate High street (unless you mean it as a turn of phrase). The only place I can think of on High street that would be in direct competition with Tesco is Spar and they would be able to compete with Tesco.

Tescos will suck people out of high street. People won't have a need to go there. It's the small independent traders that will suffer. The small shops that employ a number of people. These will be the real victims if a tescos opens on the mart site.

thelad95

kikel wrote: »

Tescos will suck people out of high street. People won't have a need to go there. It's the small independent traders that will suffer. The small shops that employ a number of people. These will be the real victims if a tescos opens on the mart site.

I remember people saying this when McDonagh opened as well. High streets central location means it will always be a viable location for business survival. There are currently 7? large supermarket chain branches operating in Kilkenny city alone and small traders still survive. You're overestimating the effect of Tesco. It's attitudes like yours that are the reason Tesco has never been able set up in Kilkenny.

kikel

thelad95 wrote: »

There are currently 7? large supermarket chain branches operating in Kilkenny city

Do we really need another?

My issue is not really Tesco it's splitting the beautiful city again that I'm concerned about. I'm a blowin to here, ye got something amazing here, please, please don't destroy it an and follow every other town in Ireland. Tesco will not give you better value, support you small traders, you'll have more jobs and a better community.

kikel

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zAPyUL44pGE

slimjimmc

kikel wrote: »

Have a look at Carlow, Naas or Clonmel. All these places have lost jobs in smaller business because they cannot compete with tescos. Once tesco wipes a lot of them out prices go up and the weekly consumer shop is the same price it was before.

If tescos do come to Kilkenny it will devastate the high street.

Tesco are in Carlow over 11 years; can you name a few of these grocery businesses and quantify the jobs losses due to their arrival? I can't say that I've noticed much impact myself.

I do agree they won't give better overall value, though you can get bargains in specific products just like in other supermarkets. I rarely shop there since they dropped many Irish suppliers in favour of foreign ones without passing on significant price drops.

kikel

slimjimmc wrote: »

Tesco are in Carlow over 11 years; can you name a few of these grocery businesses and quantify the jobs losses due to their arrival? I can't say that I've noticed much impact myself.

A video of naas above should help you understand what I'm trying to point out.

thelad95

kikel wrote: »

A video of naas above should help you understand what I'm trying to point out.

Try post the video again it's not working.

kikel

thelad95 wrote: »

Try post the video again it's not working.

Just a link there now.

kikel

Some more reading here.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2010/jun/11/local-impact-of-tescos-success

thelad95

kikel wrote: »

A video of naas above should help you understand what I'm trying to point out.

I can't see that happening in Kilkenny to be honest. The Tesco in Naas is located on the outskirts of the town whereas the two rumoured sites for Tesco are the brewery site and the cinema. Given their proximity to the High street, you could argue thaey would actually bring custom to the High street. There were very real and logical arguments put forward for McDonagh being the death knell for High Street with that end of town becoming the new 'town center' but it never happened.

I also notice there is no mention of the bypassing of Naas being a factor in it being a 'ghost town' which seems like a far more likely explanation.

I appreciate the video but it's riddled with RTÉ bias unfortunately.

slimjimmc

kikel wrote: »

A video of naas above should help you understand what I'm trying to point out.

Oh I do understand the point you're making but I'm asking you to demonstrate that it has happened to Carlow.