Five year old boy has his heart cut out in horrific ‘ritual killing’ in Scotland

RobYourBuilder

A five-year-old boy was found with his heart ripped out in a suspected 'ritual' killing.

Police Scotland launched a murder investigation in Alva, Clackmannanshire, after finding the child following calls about his welfare.

A woman, who is believed to be the boy's mother, was held by police on Friday night. It is understood she is fromBotswana, and there is another child, the boy's sister, who is safe and well.

An emergency crew member said the boy suffered a "sickening and violent death".

Police described the victim as have a "significant injury" to his body, according to the Daily Record.

Paramedics declared the boy dead at the scene and the streets around the end-of-terrace house in Carnaughton Place were cordoned off. Forensic teams searched the area outside the flat.

Chief Inspector Stephen Sneddon said: "On arrival, police officers found the child with a significant injury to his body and he was pronounced dead at the scene by the Scottish Ambulance Service.

"Inquiries into the full circumstances are ongoing and a woman is currently detained in connection with the investigation.

"We are not currently looking for anyone else and I want to reassure the local community there is no risk to them. Officers will be carrying out inquiries in the area and I would ask the public to continue to give us the full support they have shown so far, to allow us to conclude these investigations as soon as possible.

"Officers will be carrying out inquiries in the area and I would ask the public to continue to give us the full support they have shown so far, to allow us to conclude these investigations as soon as possible.

"This is a quiet area and I would emphasise that this is a very unusual incident which poses no risk to others."

A neighbour described the mother of the boy as "quiet".

Victoria Thomson said: "She moved there a wee while ago, maybe last year. They haven't been there long.

"She lived there with her two children. The other one was a wee girl. The wee boy was five but that is all I know.

"I don't think she had a partner. She was a really quiet lady. She always had her curtains shut as well."

Police Scotland said they were not looking for anyone else in connection with the incident.

Dr Hendrik Scholtz, a South African expert in ritualistic murders, explained that human sacrifice takes place when people need to obtain supernatural powers to be successful in something like business or politics.

He said: "The person is sacrificed to awaken the supernatural force required to attain that goal."

It seems that the family were involved with a cult like religous group.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/scotland-boys-heart-removed-horrific-ritual-killing-1478347
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/horror-body-five-year-old-boy-found-4757205
https://metro.co.uk/2014/12/06/boy-five-has-his-heart-cut-out-in-horrific-ritual-killing-in-scotland-4976235/

How could a mother do that to her child? I will never understand. I cannot fathom the mentality in carrying out such a cruel and horrific act on your own child.

AboutaWeekAgo

Wicker Man, innit.

seventeen sheep

It's beyond f'ked up. Screw religion, screw everything, there is no excuse. She is a sadistic cruel evil excuse of a person.

Donkey Oaty

Dr Hendrik Scholtz, a South African expert in ritualistic murders, explained that human sacrifice takes place when people need to obtain supernatural powers to be successful in something like business or politics.

Personally I would not vote for them or buy their product.

Banjo String

Poor kid, RIP.

smurgen

Nice story for a Sunday night and I in the horrors!

branie2

Poor boy!

Overheal

Americans, innit

The_Valeyard

Sick, twisted, demented.

RIP the poor child.


Let those responsible face the full force of the law.

Red Kev

Jesus Christ ! Can we drop the jokes on this one please.

RIP to the little lad, hope his sister gets on OK.

porsche959

Media reports talking of 'ritual murder' at time when police investigation has barely commenced strike me as irresponsible scare-mongering, surely, just as likely, a case of several mental illness leading to tragic results? To blame religion would be as wrong-headed as blaming Anglicanism for cases such as alleged here:

http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5409/operation-midland-investigates-tory-mp-over-boy-s-murder

4zn76tysfajdxp

Overheal wrote: »

Americans, innit

What?

Nodin

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

..................

Thoughts?

Wrong thread?

jaykay74

Blows my mind when I read something like that and read on to find that for some the first thought is "where's the funny one liner angle here"

Buona Fortuna

Awful. Poor little kid.

Another link

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-30360265

Green Fish

how do religions like this survive in 2014? sickening.

RDM_83 again

porsche959 wrote: »

Media reports talking of 'ritual murder' at time when police investigation has barely commenced strike me as irresponsible scare-mongering, surely, just as likely, a case of several mental illness leading to tragic results? To blame religion would be as wrong-headed as blaming Anglicanism for cases such as alleged here:

http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5409/operation-midland-investigates-tory-mp-over-boy-s-murder

Thats an utterly false analogy, is there any part of even the most tangentially associated folk beliefs associated with Christianity (not even the religion itself) that promotes the idea of using human body parts in rituals, take a google of issues albino's face in Africa.
You might believe all religion is negative, I'd disagree but I can understand how the argument can be made, but saying every religion is equally bad is just stupid and shows your only considering religion from a perspective focused solely on the Abrahamic faiths

nokia69

Im not really sure if you could call this a religion

its more like black magic

most black africans have a very strong belief in the supernatural/magic ect

Augmerson

Genuinely shocked after reading that, **** sake.

Clankatron

****ing animal.

hatrickpatrick

porsche959 wrote: »

just as likely, a case of several mental illness leading to tragic results?

6 posts in and the mental illness assumption has already cropped up - a new AH record perhaps?

In my honest opinion there's no justice. If it's mental illness let that be found by rigorous psychological testing, but I find it exasperating that every incident of infanticide like this is automatically assumed to have some kind of legitimate mitigating circumstances.

I won't even get into the fact that this defense is almost never assumed if the father is the one who kills his child. :mad:

hatrickpatrick

nokia69 wrote: »

Im not really sure if you could call this a religion

its more like black magic

most black africans have a very strong belief in the supernatural/magic ect

Did I actually just read that or have I been drinking too much this weekend? :eek: :eek: :eek:

Ave Sodalis

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

6 posts in and the mental illness assumption has already cropped up - a new AH record perhaps?

In my honest opinion there's no justice. If it's mental illness let that be found by rigorous psychological testing, but I find it exasperating that every incident of infanticide like this is automatically assumed to have some kind of legitimate mitigating circumstances.

I won't even get into the fact that this defense is almost never assumed if the father is the one who kills his child. :mad:

Yes because a woman who cuts out her own 5 year old child's heart is completely sane... Being declared mentally ill doesn't justify it, it just offers an explanation as to why someone would do something like that.

Also, if you read the report, there doesn't seem to be a father on the scene.

Thus far, the only information we have is that the mother has been arrested and the police aren't looking for anyone else. We cannot draw any other conclusion based on limited reporting.

hatrickpatrick

sup_dude wrote: »

Yes because a woman who cuts out her own 5 year old child's heart is completely sane... Being declared mentally ill doesn't justify it, it just offers an explanation as to why someone would do something like that.

There is also the fact that evil human beings exist. Not every evil act is underpinned by mental illness, sometimes it's underpinned simply by sadism.

Thus far, the only information we have is that the mother has been arrested and the police aren't looking for anyone else. We cannot draw any other conclusion based on limited reporting.

What we can draw is that some defenceless kid has suffered an absolutely excruciating death. No offense to anyone, but until proven otherwise as far as I'm concerned the person who did this is a vile scumbag, not some kind of victim we should feel sympathy for.

0byme75341jo28

jaykay74 wrote: »

Blows my mind when I read something like that and read on to find that for some the first thought is "where's the funny one liner angle here"

It causes me great distress and mental anguish.

RobYourBuilder

sup_dude wrote: »

Also, if you read the report, there doesn't seem to be a father on the scene.

Recently split up with the mother according to the Mail.

They were reportedly members of Alva Baptist Church before the couple split 'a few' months ago.

It has since emerged that Mr Chiriseri had joined a controversial religious organisation run by a self-styled prophet shortly before the break-up.

The Stirling-based Agape For All Nations Ministries Internationals church is headed by former academic Dr Joseph Masocha, and describes itself as a 'fast-growing church established in 2007'.

Dr Masocha, a former university lecturer who is also from Zimbabwe, sparked outrage after claiming he is a prophet 'annointed by God'.

Neighbours demanded the council give him an ASBO after claims he was baptising people and carrying out exorcisms in his back garden.

A spokesman for the church confirmed Mr Chiriseri was a member and said they were offering him counselling after his son was found dead.  

He said: 'It's obviously a very difficult time. He had been a member of the church for months and we understand he wasn't at the house because he had separated from his wife.

'I believe they split up a few months ago and she is not a member of our church.'



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2864133/Pictured-five-year-old-Scottish-boy-suffered-sickening-violent-death-left-medics-needing-counselling.html#ixzz3LGUiU1M6 
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0byme75341jo28

Desmond Tutu would not stand for this.

Ave Sodalis

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

There is also the fact that evil human beings exist. Not every evil act is underpinned by mental illness, sometimes it's underpinned simply by sadism.



What we can draw is that some defenceless kid has suffered an absolutely excruciating death. No offense to anyone, but until proven otherwise as far as I'm concerned the person who did this is a vile scumbag, not some kind of victim we should feel sympathy for.

Whether an evil person is mentally ill or not has not been defined by any standard and neither you nor I are qualified to say whether there's a difference.

Nobody is suggesting sympathy, just an explanation.

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

Recently split up with the mother according to the Mail.

Yup, but there's no information to suggest he was on the scene. My point was why would people immediately blame the father if there is thus far no evidence to suggest he was even there.

TheQuietFella

More ammo' for UKIP.

0byme75341jo28

The stiff Heart questions 'was it He, that bore,'
And 'Yesterday, or Centuries before'?

Amazingfun

TheQuietFella wrote: »

More ammo' for UKIP.

And rightly so.

0byme75341jo28

Amazingfun wrote: »

And rightly so.

UKIP are disgusting.

Racist, backwards and xenophobic.

Amazingfun

Azariah Old-fashioned Pantsuit wrote: »

UKIP are disgusting.

Racist, backwards and xenophobic.

:rolleyes: feel better after that? Good.

suicide_circus

Azariah Old-fashioned Pantsuit wrote: »

UKIP are disgusting.

Racist, backwards and xenophobic.

Indeed. But not quite as disgusting and backward as a woman who cuts the heart out of a five year old child in order to obtain supernatural powers.

Gordon Minard

We really don't understand some of these cultures that are arriving here to us in Europe . . .

I might be "jumping to conclusions" but this must have been some sort of ritual - witchcraft etc. . . .

Poor child . . .

NIMAN

Or maybe she was just deranged/mental?

I'm sure not all mothers from her part of the world (Botswana?) are killing their kids and removing their hearts.

Hardly a reason to attack all immigrants because she did this horrible act.

porsche959

Azariah Old-fashioned Pantsuit wrote: »

UKIP are disgusting.

Racist, backwards and xenophobic.

It's 'Amazingfuns' post that's disgusting.

Critique UKIP, by all means, on what they've actually done and said, rather than on what their nuttier supporters go along with.

ardle1

What are they saying?that it's some sort of ritual kiling!? that's fcukin bull-sh!t..... I'd say even her family/friends in Botswana are just as sickened by it as we are!

Vandango

AboutaWeekAgo wrote: »

Wicker Man, innit.

Innit? You just moved back from London?

irish gent

Jesus Christ this is insane stuff this day and age !!

RDM_83 again

Azariah Old-fashioned Pantsuit wrote: »

UKIP are disgusting.

Racist, backwards and xenophobic.

Yeah but the people that go on that reporting this story and mentioning ritual aspects and cultural background/nationality is racist give the UKIP even more ammunition because you are just confirming that certain topics are taboo, its not an issue here being an Irish message board but the UKIP are classic example of how these methods increase support rather than decrease it.

Isn't the most realistic answer here that its both mental illness and cultural background at play here.
She killed her own child quiet likely she was mentally disturbed, the way she killed her own child in a ritual manner that reflects certain folk practice's of her cultural background.

Buona Fortuna

TheQuietFella wrote: »

More ammo' for UKIP.

WTF. Is the UK leaving Zimbabwe?

ZiabR

Christ, that is awful... RIP

bear1

What an absolute disgusting excuse of a human being.
But I also think the pathetic "jokes" being posted here are nearly as sick. A child has suffered a gruesome death and people are posting about fcuking UKIP?!
AH never ceases to amaze me.
RIP to that poor boy, you are in a better place now

Donkey Oaty

It's very misleading reporting from the IB times article in the opening post, which makes it sound like the ritual expert has had access to details of what happened and has made an evaluation about the possible background.

In fact, they've lifted his quote from a press conference given twelve years ago about an entirely different case with very different circumstances.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/jan/29/2

allibastor

Wow,

That is bloody shocking. What kind of complete nit job would do that to a child. I hope she at least had the poor child knocked out before doing this to him.

That mother should be dragged out and beaten to death, I don't think any person who believes that human sacrifice is a logical thing to do can be "reformed" by the bleeding heart brigade who will say she should be helped. How do you help that.


RIP poor kid.

Grayson

RDM_83 again wrote: »

Yeah but the people that go on that reporting this story and mentioning ritual aspects and cultural background/nationality is racist give the UKIP even more ammunition because you are just confirming that certain topics are taboo, its not an issue here being an Irish message board but the UKIP are classic example of how these methods increase support rather than decrease it.

Isn't the most realistic answer here that its both mental illness and cultural background at play here.
She killed her own child quiet likely she was mentally disturbed, the way she killed her own child in a ritual manner that reflects certain folk practice's of her cultural background.

Cultural background? They were all Christians right?

DeadHand

RIP

Hope the law comes down as heavily as possible on this "woman".

It needs to be made clear that this type of barbarism will not be tolerated in a civilised society.

RDM_83 again

Grayson wrote: »

Cultural background? They were all Christians right?

You know I said cultural background, I didn't say religion did I.
Every time I think the whole Boards.ie PC brigade thing a myth a post like yours comes along and reaffirms it for me, why don't you tell me whats actually wrong with my post rather than vague implications.

Grayson

RDM_83 again wrote: »

You know I said cultural background, I didn't say religion did I.
Every time I think the whole Boards.ie PC brigade thing a myth a post like yours comes along and reaffirms it for me, why don't you tell me whats actually wrong with my post rather than vague implications.

PC Brigade?

Listen, there are plenty of bat**** crazy english people who believe in the same shyte.

RDM_83 again

Grayson wrote: »

PC Brigade?

Listen, there are plenty of bat**** crazy english people who believe in the same shyte.

Right so your saying that there is the same level of belief about the use of human body parts for "folk medicine" in "english" culture as there is in parts of sub saharan africa, minorities obviously but it is there otherwise there wouldnt be those albino.murders