Heat Genie

Tomjim

Anyone know anything about this product, it increases heat output from a stove

pippip

I don't think the heat genie is anything to do with getting more heat from a stove. Its for creating a system by which you can safely add a boiler stove into your heating system. If its not a boiler stove then you don't need a heat genie for it.


Taken from http://systemlink.ie/products-59/heat-genie.html

Benefits of Heat Genie

Simplifies the most difficult of Solid Fuel installations.
Create gravity circuit where previously impossible such as bungalow installations or where the Stove is a long distance away from the Cylinder.
No need to purchase expensive new cylinder or thermal store to link-up solid fuel source.
No need for expensive cylinder coil or heat leak radiator on the gravity circuit. The Heat Genie provides the safety elements with 3 levels of safety.
Option for extremely rapid heating of your existing domestic hot water.
Fully insulated.
Simple to install, fully labelled ports.

Tomjim

You may be right. But I already have a Stanley stove with a back boiler and my plumber was in my house last night.

The way he explained it to me was that my stove is currently putting out say 17 units of heat (I'm not sure of correct terminology) and he said if I put in a heat genie that would double the output.

The heat genie would be fitted on to the existing system

Robbie.G

Tomjim wrote: »

You may be right. But I already have a Stanley stove with a back boiler and my plumber was in my house last night.

The way he explained it to me was that my stove is currently putting out say 17 units of heat (I'm not sure of correct terminology) and he said if I put in a heat genie that would double the output.

The heat genie would be fitted on to the existing system

The heat genie has no bearing on the heat output of a stove it's designed for the interconnecting of solid fuel heating to a sealed heating system be that oil or gas.
The only way you can increase the heat of a stove is to burn more fuel.

Tomjim

I'm not going to disagree with you, I'm only trying to get views as to what my plumber said.

To look at it slightly differently there are 20 rads in my house, he said the current stove is capable of heating 10 but If I installed a heat genie the same stove would then be able to heat 20 radiators.

Is this true?

Dtp1979

Tomjim wrote: »

I'm not going to disagree with you, I'm only trying to get views as to what my plumber said.

To look at it slightly differently there are 20 rads in my house, he said the current stove is capable of heating 10 but If I installed a heat genie the same stove would then be able to heat 20 radiators.

Is this true?

No. Get a new plumber

Tomjim

fair enough guess I will have to

Tomjim

sorry for being a pain on this but I am fairly cheesed off with that plumber.

Trying to go back over it I think he said the reason that the heat genie would heat an additional 10 rads was that the existing cyclinder would continue to heat the 10 rads like it is doing now but the heat genie would act like a second cyclinder heating the additional 10 rads

does this make any sense

Dtp1979

Tomjim wrote: »

sorry for being a pain on this but I am fairly cheesed off with that plumber.

Trying to go back over it I think he said the reason that the heat genie would heat an additional 10 rads was that the existing cyclinder would continue to heat the 10 rads like it is doing now but the heat genie would act like a second cyclinder heating the additional 10 rads

does this make any sense

I'm afraid it dosent

pippip

OP currently are ten of your rads on a separate system to the other ten?

Tomjim

no they are on the same system- there are 2 zones.

It is a dual system oil and the stove

pippip

Is the back boiler only heating one zone and the oil can do both?

What had you initially called the plumber to do?

Tomjim

no stove can heat 20 but isn't able to do the 20.

Oil is strong enough to do the 20

plumber was fixing a tap

Tomjim

the stove and the oil can work at the same time

pippip

I'm wondering is the plumber thinking of another product made by Systemlink and calling it heatgenie by accident. They do a number of products, one of which may benefit your system.

Its only a guess as your saying your stove should be able to do something its currently not for whatever reason.

His story of it acting like a second cylinder makes no sense.

There are a number of merchants listed on the Systemlink.ie website, I'd suggest ringing a few of them for advice and see if they can shed more light on what the plumber may be thinking.

gctest50

Tomjim wrote: »

.. stove can heat 20 but isn't able to do the 20.
..

what kind of stove ?

Tomjim

Stanley with a back boiler

not sure of name but brochure I think says it can heat 10 to 12

could be an aisling

Tomjim

anyone

Wearb

Tomjim wrote: »

anyone

Anyone what?

What hasn't been answered?

raymondcoss

I'm not an expert on this by any means but I've been doing a lot of research on this lately because I'm renovating my house and plan to install a dual system using a heat exchanger such as a heat genie, so here are my thoughts

By installing the heat genie you will keep your two heating water systems separate thereby enabling you to have your oil burner loop pressurised and your stove loop open vented as it should be. By having your oil burner circuit pressurised you will make it more efficient as water under pressure heats easier and you get a better return (if you remember from school water at altitude boils easier).

So if I'm not mistaken you will actually get less of an output from your stove as adding a heat exchanger does add an inefficiency (there will be a couple of degrees lost across the heat genie) but maybe you will get an overall increase as the rads will be piped on a pressurised loop

I'm wondering though (and apologies if I'm hijacking your thread!) if adding an inefficiency such as a heat exchanger would be a good option in the long run. Maybe someone reading would have an opinion. My experience with heat exchangers is that they do clog up with dirt, and need to be cleaned periodically if the water flowing through them is not treated correctly. If I'm not mistaken treating the water in a closed loop system is fine because you have little or no loss but with an open system its not possible. The more they clog up the more inefficient they become. Maybe I'm wrong and someone can correct me!!

Wearb

(if you remember from school water at altitude boils easier). You must have been doodling a bit during that lesson . It boils easier, because it boils at a lower temperature.

Dtp1979

raymondcoss wrote: »

I'm not an expert on this by any means but I've been doing a lot of research on this lately because I'm renovating my house and plan to install a dual system using a heat exchanger such as a heat genie, so here are my thoughts

By installing the heat genie you will keep your two heating water systems separate thereby enabling you to have your oil burner loop pressurised and your stove loop open vented as it should be. By having your oil burner circuit pressurised you will make it more efficient as water under pressure heats easier and you get a better return (if you remember from school water at altitude boils easier).

So if I'm not mistaken you will actually get less of an output from your stove as adding a heat exchanger does add an inefficiency (there will be a couple of degrees lost across the heat genie) but maybe you will get an overall increase as the rads will be piped on a pressurised loop

I'm wondering though (and apologies if I'm hijacking your thread!) if adding an inefficiency such as a heat exchanger would be a good option in the long run. Maybe someone reading would have an opinion. My experience with heat exchangers is that they do clog up with dirt, and need to be cleaned periodically if the water flowing through them is not treated correctly. If I'm not mistaken treating the water in a closed loop system is fine because you have little or no loss but with an open system its not possible. The more they clog up the more inefficient they become. Maybe I'm wrong and someone can correct me!!

There's nothing wrong with joining oil and solid fuel in a dual system open vented without a fancy heat exchanger once it's piped correctly

Tomjim

was talking to the plumber again this evening and he clarified that a heat exchanger would not increase the output from the stove but will increase the heat output from the 20 rads in the house.

My problem is that the stove is not able to heat all the rads in the house currently, it can heat about 10, however he is sure that a heat exchanger will increase the heat generated in the rads and should be able to heat all 20 rads in the house.

He also said that he has fitted this system in other houses. Our house is built 15 years and the back boiler n the stove is not good enough to heal all the rads in the house

Does this make sense

Dtp1979

Tomjim wrote: »

was talking to the plumber again this evening and he clarified that a heat exchanger would not increase the output from the stove but will increase the heat output from the 20 rads in the house.

My problem is that the stove is not able to heat all the rads in the house currently, it can heat about 10, however he is sure that a heat exchanger will increase the heat generated in the rads and should be able to heat all 20 rads in the house.

He also said that he has fitted this system in other houses. Our house is built 15 years and the back boiler n the stove is not good enough to heal all the rads in the house

Does this make sense

Are u sure this guy is a plumber? It makes no sense

Tomjim

Dtp1979 wrote: »

Are u sure this guy is a plumber? It makes no sense

A plate heat exchanger, does this make any sense?

I'm no way technical or understand plumbing systems, the main issue is the stove is not strong enough to heat the rads

Dtp1979

Tomjim wrote: »

A plate heat exchanger, does this make any sense?

I'm no way technical or understand plumbing systems, the main issue is the stove is not strong enough to heat the rads

A heat exchanger isn't going to increase the output. Get a new plumber. It's been said already

Redriddick

The only way to increase the stove output is to change it for a bigger one.
That is what I had to do.I had a stanley erin first and took it out and fitted a hunter herald 80b.
I have'nt looked back since and that was 3 yrs ago.
One thing,you will burn alot more fuel with the bigger stove naturally enough.
I have a 3000sq ft house and have not bought oil in 6 years but with the price of it at the mo will get some for this winter!!!

Tomjim

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=84202212

As you can imagine I am fairly cheesed off with my plumber, I am only assuming that he is referring to the product in the link above which I now understand would work if I was putting in a new stove with a back boiler into my existing system.

All in all it is a little bit worrying if I had not checked it out further

thanks for all the replies